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[TheKomandorShepard]

1. Bs. A tower does nothing. All it take is for a demon to get to a dreamer and then nothing can stop the abomination from getting out. It's just makeing a time bomb for know reason. As I said before the Avvar show mages can be managed with sticking them in a tower. Issues of random possession is bs. Controlling mages does not control magic.

 

2.The decent dlc lore for one.

 

1.That is outright false as we can see in broken circle ,circle and templars did prevent abomnations from getting out outside avoiding fact it wasn't such first incident in circles and every one of them was dealt with.Your avvar mages unleashed powerful demon upon world and didn't even fix their mess ,twice situation was saved by inquisitor (what in first case lead to horrible consequences).Yes it pretty much does.  

 

2.I would like specifically know where and what/who says so.

[leaguer of one]

1.That is outright false as we can see in broken circle ,circle and templars did prevent abomnations from getting out outside avoiding fact it wasn't such first incident in circles and every one of them was dealt with.Your avvar mages unleashed powerful demon upon world and didn't even fix their mess ,twice situation was saved by inquisitor (what in first case lead to horrible consequences).Yes it pretty much does.  

 

2.I would like specifically know where and what/who says so.

1. In broken circle they barely were able to do that with out help and they were facing an unorganized group. And a dreamer abomination is in an entire class by it self from with seen in circle up risings.   And nothing show that the Avvar could of not solved the issue themselves with that intentional abomination.

2. When I say decent lore I mean codex.

[TheKomandorShepard]

1. In broken circle they barely were able to do that with out help and they were facing an unorganized group. And a dreamer abomination is in an entire class by it self from with seen in circle up risings.   And nothing show that the Avvar could of not solved the issue themselves with that intentional abomination.

2. When I say decent lore I mean codex.

1.Once again they prevented abominations from geting out and pretty much they were only waiting for permission to annul circle and once again it was just one of many such situations and every was dealt with.Dreamer or not they have dealt with abomnations for centuries.Plenty shows considering they didn't do jack about it and inquisitor was forced to intervene twice.

 

2.Still waiting for link.

[leaguer of one]

1.Once again they prevented abominations from geting out and pretty much were only waiting for permission to annul circle and once again it was just one of many such situations and every was dealt with.Dreamer or not they have dealt with abomnations for centuries.Plenty shows considering they didn't do jack about it and inquisitor was forced to intervene twice.

 

2.Still waiting for link.

1. Agein, Dreamer abominations are completly different be that they don't need a body and that can just crossing to the fade to go any where they want. 

http://dragonage.wik...el#Dreamstalker

 

And even then normal people can be come possessed as well.

Also, it's the warden that kills them all if the purge is done. And the abominations were not even starting to try to get through any way.

 

 

 

2.http://dragonage.wik...ttle:_Darkspawn

[TheKomandorShepard]

1. Agein, Dreamer abominations are completly different be that they don't need a body and that can just crossing to the fade to go any where they want. 

http://dragonage.wik...el#Dreamstalker

 

And even then normal people can be come possessed as well.

 

 

 

2.http://dragonage.wik...ttle:_Darkspawn

 

1.I don't see here any reason that would say why templars can't kill dreamer abomnation from what i recall dreamers can only enter fade at will but their body stays.They can but they are much less dangerous than an abomnation and pretty much demon either have to be forced by a mage or already be in Thedas.

 

2.From what i see pretty much codex entry shows that this dwarf have zero idea from where darkspawn came besides "they showed up certain day" and pretty much is as valuable as Anders claims "it is only chantry propaganda".Corypheus is pretty much living proof that chantry was correct about it. 

[leaguer of one]

1.I don't see here any reason that would say why templars can't kill dreamer abomnation from what i recall dreamers can only enter fade at will but their body stays.They can but they are much less dangerous than an abomnation and pretty much demon either have to be forced by a mage or already be in Thedas.

 

2.From what i see pretty much codex entry shows that this dwarf have zero idea from darkspawn came besides "they showed up certain day" and pretty much is as valuable as Anders claims "it is only chantry propaganda".Corypheus is pretty much living proof that chantry was correct about it. 

1. Sorry, You're saying they can kill something with no body, attacks you in you're dreams and mind controls you and not even Hawke can kill it. Sorry, but no. The can't kill it. Sorry but dreamer abomintion a city destroying level of power.

 

2. I never said they already knew where they came from. I said the dwarved think what the chantry think where they come from is bs. We also already know the chantry does not really know ether. And Cory also proves the chantry wrong not right being that he states the corruption of the darkspawn was in the golden city way before he got there.

 

Sorry, but the darkspawn is something way older then Tevinter.

[Boost32]

1. The avvar mages are possessed, that how they learn magic.
2. The sky horrror is a control abomination. It's not out and about attacking people at random.
3.Any issue with the avvar and possessions like this is if it's intentional with malevolent intent.

And it doesn't make them immune, it was never stated.
And the Sky Horror being a "control abomination" is BS, a abomination is a bad thing, there is no such thing as "control abomination".

[leaguer of one]

And it doesn't make them immune, it was never stated.
And the Sky Horror being a "control abomination" is BS, a abomination is a bad thing, there is no such thing as "control abomination".

Is the Sky horrror out out and about attacking people at random? No

Is it only attack people who effect the shrine in correctly? Yes.

 

Thus a control Abomination. Sorry, the facts show that it's nothing more the a chained up attack dog.

[TheKomandorShepard]

1. Sorry, You're saying they can kill something with no body, attacks you in you're dreams and mind controls you and not even Hawke can kill it. Sorry, but no. The can't kill it. Sorry but dreamer abomintion a city destroying level of power.

 

2. I never said they already knew where they came from. I said the dwarved think what the chantry think where they come from is bs. We also already know the chantry does not really know ether. And Cory also proves the chantry wrong not right being that he states the corruption of the darkspawn was in the golden city way before he got there.

 

Sorry, but the darkspawn is something way older then Tevinter.

 

1.   First it has body but simple dreamer can enter the fade at will without using lyrium but his body stays in real world and can be slain , hawke can't kill it because hawke doesn't know where abomnation is what wouldn't be in case in circle.I don't see dreamstalker destroying city or it being mentioned so pretty much you made it up ,but avoiding that most of abomnations would menage to destroy city if not stoped in time...

 

2.So it pretty much as far it has no worth and is pure speculation on dwarves part and nothing supports their stance...

 

Chantry version is correct aside perhaps for maker part, magisters did went to the black city and brought blight to real world and corypheus is proof of that because he was magister that went to the black city and was turned into darkspawn.So pretty much whether blight was sealed in black city or it was maker punishment it is irevelant as either way magisters brought it. 

[Drasanil]

1. Sorry, You're saying they can kill something with no body, attacks you in you're dreams and mind controls you and not even Hawke can kill it. Sorry, but no. The can't kill it. Sorry but dreamer abomintion a city destroying level of power.

 

You do understand the concept of object permanence yes? Dreamers still have bodies, that they might not be in your immediate line of sight does not negate their existence. Similarly a Dreamer Abomination still has a body, in fact it needs one to be an abomination. No possessed body? It goes right back to being a demon stuck on the wrong side of the fade. 

 

Having dreamers in circles and templars keeping an eye on their physical forms makes them much less of a risk than if they were gallivanting about in the wilderness on their own where you wouldn't even begin to know where to look for their bodies should something go awry. 

[leaguer of one]

You do understand the concept of object permanence yes? Dreamers still have bodies, that they might not be in your immediate line of sight does not negate their existence. Similarly a Dreamer Abomination still has a body, in fact it needs one to be an abomination. No possessed body? It goes right back to being a demon stuck on the wrong side of the fade. 

 

Having dreamers in circles and templars keeping an eye on their physical forms makes them much less of a risk than if they were gallivanting about in the wilderness on their own where you wouldn't even begin to know where to look for their bodies should something go awry. 

Dude...Dreamer abominations...Not dreamers by themselves. This is a possessed dreamer. A normal dreamer has a body...A possessed on does not. Look up Info on Feynriel when he becomes the dreamstalker.

http://dragonage.wik...el#Dreamstalker

 

Sorry but at that point he's dream jumping and has no body.

[leaguer of one]

1.   First it has body but simple dreamer can enter the fade at will without using lyrium but his body stays in real world and can be slain , hawke can't kill it because hawke doesn't know where abomnation is what wouldn't be in case in circle.I don't see dreamstalker destroying city or it being mentioned so pretty much you made it up ,but avoiding that most of abomnations would menage to destroy city if not stoped in time...

 

2.So it pretty much as far it has no worth and is pure speculation on dwarves part and nothing supports their stance...

 

Chantry version is correct aside perhaps for maker part, magisters did went to the black city and brought blight to real world and corypheus is proof of that because he was magister that went to the black city and was turned into darkspawn.So pretty much whether blight was sealed in black city or it was maker punishment it is irevelant as either way magisters brought it. 

1. Normal dreamer has a body. Not a possessed one. An abomination has no issue crossing the fade like human/efl mages do.

 

2.Not a speculation. As xenophobic ozammar dwarves can be it's pretty clear they would ignore and look down on surfacers beliefs.

 

The chantry's version is no correct. All the did was take a half truth and then made up the rest of it. Sorry but the maker did not make the blight to strike down on magisters who walked the golden city. The blight was long time in the golden city and the magister just re unleashed onto the world in ignorance.

[Arshei]

Unless sword can cause blight your statement is obviously false and it is. Viviene from what i know doesn't hate magic only acknowledges obvious that mages are dangerous.

 

And a nuclear bomb isn't more dangerous than a Swiss knife. I get it. Have a nice day.

 

 

It is known. Hitler had easy access to Swiss knives, but you never saw innocent nuclear bombs get involved with him!

 

Please, play with a warrior inquisitor, then with a mage inquisitor.
Tell me who kill more and make more damage.
If a simply child can create another blight, then all mages must be killed, not imprisoned in a tower, the argument of "security for all" isn't valid.
The "maker" should be the most powerful mage of the world, why he is not imprisoned in a circle of giants makers?

 

I cant believe how you consider "dangerous" ALL THE MAGES, and let free people like Lady Florianne, Samson, etc.

Turn down for what!

[Drasanil]

Dude...Dreamer abominations...Not dreamers by themselves. This is a possessed dreamer. A normal dreamer has a body...A possessed on does not. Look up Info on Feynriel when he becomes the dreamstalker.

http://dragonage.wik...el#Dreamstalker

 

Sorry but at that point he's dream jumping and has no body.

 

First of all, nowhere does it say he has no body. Secondly the rest of it so vague and near inconsequential as to be almost meaningless. Sure, he's "unstoppable" according to Marethari, the same woman who couldn't manage the likes of Merill. And what does this "unstoppable" abomination do with all of its templar ignoring power? Get a few inconsequential randoms killed in a low key manner, as if it didn't want to get attention.

[Shienis]

Please, play with a warrior inquisitor, then with a mage inquisitor.
Tell me who kill more and make more damage.
If a simply child can create another blight, then all mages must be killed

 

Game balance and lore balance... never mind. Yes, you're right. All mages should be killed.

 

[TobiTobsen]

Please, play with a warrior inquisitor, then with a mage inquisitor.
Tell me who kill more and make more damage.
If a simply child can create another blight, then all mages must be killed, not imprisoned in a tower, the argument of "security for all" isn't valid.
The "maker" should be the most powerful mage of the world, why he is not imprisoned in a circle of giants makers?

 

I cant believe how you consider "dangerous" ALL THE MAGES, and let free people like Lady Florianne, Samson, etc.

Turn down for what!

 

 

[TheKomandorShepard]

1. Normal dreamer has a body. Not a possessed one. An abomination has no issue crossing the fade like human/efl mages do.

 

2.Not a speculation. As xenophobic ozammar dwarves can be it's pretty clear they would ignore and look down on surfacers beliefs.

 

The chantry's version is no correct. All the did was take a half truth and then made up the rest of it. Sorry but the maker did not make the blight to strike down on magisters who walked the golden city. The blight was long time in the golden city and the magister just re unleashed onto the world in ignorance.

 

1.   You are making stuff up so hard to keep up with your bs that any debate is pointless ,in first place in link you provided there is absolutely nothing about abomnation dreamer not having a body , it only shows that dreamstalker drove guard crazy same thing that feynriel does to bandits if he stays himself... there is nothing about it not having body.   

 

2.It is speculation as i said they have nothing to support their version pretty much their version is "maybe it is mega broodmother"

 

Once again chantry version is correct at least in part when magisters went to the black city and brought blights there is no discussion as i said we have Coryphus as living (well not anymore) prove that chantry was correct in that matter.And how do you know it wasn't maker punishment because im pretty sure it was never explained .

 

 

Please, play with a warrior inquisitor, then with a mage inquisitor.
Tell me who kill more and make more damage.
If a simply child can create another blight, then all mages must be killed, not imprisoned in a tower, the argument of "security for all" isn't valid.
The "maker" should be the most powerful mage of the world, why he is not imprisoned in a circle of giants makers?

 

I cant believe how you consider "dangerous" ALL THE MAGES, and let free people like Lady Florianne, Samson, etc.

Turn down for what!

 

 

 By your logic leliana can take 10 hits with 2h sword and fight like nothing because that what she can do in gameplay... 

[leaguer of one]

First of all, nowhere does it say he has no body. Secondly the rest of it so vague and near inconsequential as to be almost meaningless. Sure, he's "unstoppable" according to Marethari, the same woman who couldn't manage the likes of Merill. And what does this "unstoppable" abomination do with all of its templar ignoring power? Get a few inconsequential randoms killed in a low key manner, as if it didn't want to get attention.

Sorry but the fact he is body jump in dreams and the fact his body is somehow  gone after the night terror event when he becomes an abomination proves I'm right.

And just because he doesn't do wide spread damage yet does not mean he does not have the power to do so.

[Drasanil]

1. Normal dreamer has a body. Not a possessed one. An abomination has no issue crossing the fade like human/efl mages do.

 

2.Not a speculation. As xenophobic ozammar dwarves can be it's pretty clear they would ignore and look down on surfacers beliefs.

 

1) Where are you even getting any of this? 

 

2) What? So your claim is that, the xenophobic dwarves who are dismissive of surfacers, aren't just being dismissive in this instance... while being completely dismissive of Chantry beliefs. Which we know are at least partially right with regards to breaching the Golden City and the subsequent rise of the First Blight? 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Sorry but the fact he is body jump in dreams and the fact his body is somehow  gone after the night terror event when he becomes an abomination proves I'm right.

And just because he doesn't do wide spread damage yet does not mean he does not have the power to do so.

  He didn't body jump once again stop making stuff up, he drove guard crazy like he does with bandits.

[leaguer of one]

Please, play with a warrior inquisitor, then with a mage inquisitor.
Tell me who kill more and make more damage.
If a simply child can create another blight, then all mages must be killed, not imprisoned in a tower, the argument of "security for all" isn't valid.
The "maker" should be the most powerful mage of the world, why he is not imprisoned in a circle of giants makers?

 

I cant believe how you consider "dangerous" ALL THE MAGES, and let free people like Lady Florianne, Samson, etc.

Turn down for what!

It's the mage that does more damage....It's always the mage. out of gameplay and in gameplay it still is the mage who does more damage.

 

Sorry but you're argument is as dumb as the knife vs gun argument gun user try to use  to say guns are no more dangerous then knives.

[leaguer of one]

1) Where are you even getting any of this? 

 

2) What? So your claim is that, the xenophobic dwarves who are dismissive of surfacers, aren't just being dismissive in this instance... while being completely dismissive of Chantry beliefs. Which we know are at least partially right with regards to breaching the Golden City and the subsequent rise of the First Blight? 

1. Oh many case.

a. Broken circle with how abomination start bringing demon over at ease and a sloth demon that send the warden into the fade with ease. Something that ether takes blood mages or lyrium with a normal mages

b.In da:a with the baroness.

c. With dai with the envy demon.

 

Sorry but demons and abomination have no issue crossing the fade and back once over. At least the powerful ones. Added, Feynriel's body is gone when he becomes a Dreamstalker.

 

2.My point was never that the dwarve were right or no more . Just that they thought it was bs.  And it does not matter if the chantry were part right. What matter is that they should not use this  to blame all mages because they don't have all the info on what's going on.

[leaguer of one]

  He didn't body jump once again stop making stuff up, he drove guard crazy like he does with bandits.

First I said that he was dream jumping.

 

"If Feynriel is possessed by Torpor, in Act 3 Hawke will encounter Grigor, a member of the city guard, in Lowtown at night cornered by Melson and two of his personal guards. Melson has gone crazy and killed several city guards, saying that Feynriel told him that they were thieves. Melson and his guards will attack and are killed by Hawke. After the fight, Grigor refers to Feynriel as "The Dreamstalker.""

 

http://dragonage.wik...el#Dreamstalker

[leaguer of one]

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[Drasanil]

Sorry but the fact he is body jump in dreams and the fact his body is somehow  gone after the night terror event when he becomes an abomination proves I'm right.

 

No, it doesn't. Dream jumping is a normal dreamer ability, appearing to Melnon and driving him mad is well with in the norm for their abilities and Feynriel's being somewhere else (either the Circle or the Dalish Camp) during Night Terrors and disappearing off-camera does not constitute proof that he has no body.