No, it doesn't. Dream jumping is a normal dreamer ability, appearing to Melnon and driving him mad is well with in the norm for their abilities and Feynriel's being somewhere else (either the Circle or the Dalish Camp) during Night Terrors and disappearing off-camera does not constitute proof that he has no body.
Yes. it's a normal dreamer ability. That not a con to may point. Remember, if you let him becomes an abomination Feynriel's body disappears. So regardless he still has no body.
It's the mage that does more damage....It's always the mage. out of gameplay and in gameplay it still is the mage who does more damage.
Sorry but you're argument is as dumb as the knife vs gun argument gun user try to use to say guns are no more dangerous then knives.
You can kill with a bomb, with a knife, with magic, even with your hands.
Isn't fair that the mages aren't free for what they are. With the argument "what they did", why don't prison all germans?
Everyone deserves a chance to redeem herself. Even if they dont do nothing, like is the case of the mages accused for make the blight.
1. Oh many case.
a. Broken circle with how abomination start bringing demon over at ease and a sloth demon that send the warden into the fade with ease. Something that ether takes blood mages or lyrium with a normal mages
b.In da:a with the baroness.
c. With dai with the envy demon.
Sorry but demons and abomination have no issue crossing the fade and back once over.
2.My point was never that the dwarve were right or no more . Just that they thought it was bs. And it does not matter if the chantry were part right. What matter is that they should not use this to blame all mages because they don't have all the info on what's going on.
1.And? None of that is important what they send to the fade is victim mind not body (same thing mages can do with lyrium and do during Harrowing) those who were sent to the fade still have body see Niall and can be killed.
2.You used that as argument of apparently of blights not being caused by mages so yes pretty much point was that dwarves were right otherwise using that as argument would be pointless. Once again they were right in that they have brought blight to thedas so pretty much yes they can blame mages for that because it was done by mages.
First I said that he was dream jumping.
"If Feynriel is possessed by Torpor, in Act 3 Hawke will encounter Grigor, a member of the city guard, in Lowtown at night cornered by Melson and two of his personal guards. Melson has gone crazy and killed several city guards, saying that Feynriel told him that they were thieves. Melson and his guards will attack and are killed by Hawke. After the fight, Grigor refers to Feynriel as "The Dreamstalker.""
You said he body jump in dreams not dream jumping what i assume means ability to visit dreams others... and none of this contributes to your false statement he doesn't have body as an abomnation.
Yes. it's a normal dreamer ability. That not a con to may point. Remember, if you let him becomes an abomination Feynriel's body disappears. So regardless he still has no body.
No it doesn't, im awaiting for prove of his body disappearing...
Is the Sky horrror out out and about attacking people at random? Yes.Is the Sky horrror out out and about attacking people at random? No
Is it only attack people who effect the shrine in correctly? Yes.
Thus a control Abomination. Sorry, the facts show that it's nothing more the a chained up attack dog.
Yes. it's a normal dreamer ability. That not a con to may point. Remember, if you let him becomes an abomination Feynriel's body disappears. So regardless he still has no body.
Yup and the sun literally ceases to exist whenever it disappears over the horizon. Any ways, I wish you all the best. I'm sure you'll have blast once you figure out the whole object permanence thing 
Is the Sky horrror out out and about attacking people at random? Yes.
Not at random, just fools who mess with Avvar shrines. It teaches some respect for other people's sacred places.
What are we talking about now?
No one mentions Vivianne or her terrible point of view.
What are we talking about now?
No one mentions Vivianne or her terrible point of view.
The Mage vs. Templar debate as usual. Really I don't know why people create these threads, it inevitably leads to one place.
I'm going to repeat me again: a abomination in a random shrine in the middle of a forest is not reasonable.Not at random, just fools who mess with Avvar shrines. It teaches some respect for other people's sacred places.
Her point of view is fine, your point of view is terrible, specially because you invoked Godwin's law.What are we talking about now?
No one mentions Vivianne or her terrible point of view.
The Mage vs. Templar debate as usual. Really I don't know why people create these threads, it inevitably leads to one place.
Not to mention that nobody ever changes their opinions on these threads. Seriously, not one thing any of the pro-templars have said has changed my mind about anything regarding my pro-mage views and I doubt any kind of thing I say, no matter how supported, would ever change their minds. Has anyone ever actually changed their views because of these threads?
Seems all these threads do is just gave cause for people to insult people.
Her point of view is fine, your point of view is terrible, specially because you invoked Godwin's law.
Surely you would love if you born with magic, be imprisoned in a tower far from the world.
The empathy doesn't exist?
Surely you would love if you born with magic, be imprisoned in a tower far from the world.
The empathy doesn't exist?
It would suck less than being attacked by an abomination I can't defend myself from, especially if properly administered. It would also suck less than being an Avvar mage with a power level that would get a Circle mage Tranquilized. I empathize with the mages who hate the Circle. Do you empathize with the people, mage and otherwise, who need it?
I'm going to repeat me again: a abomination in a random shrine in the middle of a forest is not reasonable.
In fact, a abomination is not reasonable in any place.
It's not an abomination it's an Arcane Horror, that's an undead. And as a guardian I think it's fine. Don't screw with people's religious shrines and nothing happens. Notice you actually had to fiddle with the shrine for the Sky Horror to come out an play? It's really no different then the shrine having a spell that sets anyone who fiddles with it on fire.
Not to mention that nobody ever changes their opinions on these threads. Seriously, not one thing any of the pro-templars have said has changed my mind about anything regarding my pro-mage views and I doubt any kind of thing I say, no matter how supported, would ever change their minds. Has anyone ever actually changed their views because of these threads?
Seems all these threads do is just gave cause for people to insult people.
Exactly. Everytime I look at these threads I can automatically and without fail tell what sides people are taking because these arguments have never led anywhere productive. And ultimately they're pointless except to act as mental gymnastics to see who can remember the lore that best fits their perspective.
It would suck less than being attacked by an abomination in Rivain. It would also suck less than being an Avvar mage with a power level that would get a Circle mage Tranquilized.
Because abominations don't happen in Fereldan, Orlais or Kirkwall of course.
1.And? None of that is important what they send to the fade is victim mind not body (same thing mages can do with lyrium and do during Harrowing) those who were sent to the fade still have body see Niall and can be killed.
2.You used that as argument of apparently of blights not being caused by mages so yes pretty much point was that dwarves were right otherwise using that as argument would be pointless. Once again they were right in that they have brought blight to thedas so pretty much yes they can blame mages for that because it was done by mages.
You said he body jump in dreams not dream jumping what i assume means ability to visit dreams others... and none of this contributes to your false statement he doesn't have body as an abomnation.
No it doesn't, im awaiting for prove of his body disappearing...
1. Was not talking about the victeim. I'm taking about themselves and other being, human or spirit. The fact is all the thing a mage or normal person needs to get to the fade an abomination can skip over with themselves and others. That would mean a dreamer abomination can do it even better. An abomintion does not need to keep their body outside the fade or is forced to it powerful enough like the Baroness.
2.But the blight was not caused by mages. The fact Cory tells you what happen means it's not the fault for mages.
Is the Sky horrror out out and about attacking people at random? Yes.
Really, so it is attack people who don't touch the shrine?
It would suck less than being attacked by an abomination I can't defend myself from, especially if properly administered. It would also suck less than being an Avvar mage with a power level that would get a Circle mage Tranquilized. I empathize with the mages who hate the Circle. Do you empathize with the people, mage and otherwise, who need it?
Probably i'm more like Anders... you know... the bomb in the chantry
It's not an abomination it's an Arcane Horror, that's an undead. And as a guardian I think it's fine. Don't screw with people's religious shrines and nothing happens. Notice you actually had to fiddle with the shrine for the Sky Horror to come out an play? It's really no different then the shrine having a spell that sets anyone who fiddles with it on fire.
Exactly. Everytime I look at these threads I can automatically and without fail tell what sides people are taking because these arguments have never led anywhere productive. And ultimately they're pointless except to act as mental gymnastics to see who can remember the lore that best fits their perspective.
But is funny discuss 
Because abominations don't happen in Fereldan, Orlais or Kirkwall of course.
Not as commonly. (Except maybe in Kirkwall, because that place was a hellhole. Also a hellmouth.) If nothing else keeping mages out of the general population means fewer abominations form in the general population.
Probably i'm more like Anders... you know... the bomb in the chantry
So, you're the abomination normal people can't defend themselves against. If it helps, the fact that those need to be put down doesn't mean I don't empathize with them.
Not as commonly. (Except maybe in Kirkwall, because that place was a hellhole. Also a hellmouth.) If nothing else keeping mages out of the general population means fewer abominations form in the general population.
An assumption. We don't have the information to be able to tell whether or not Rivain has more or less abominations than those nations that at least try and enforce Chantry law (by that I specifically mean Fereldan, Orlais, possibly Antiva and some of the Free Marches).
And what of the Avvar? Don't they state outright that the spirits they worship keep demons away? Perhaps everyone should just adopt the Avvar philosophy, then we wouldn't have abominations.
But is funny discuss
Don't worry, these threads will never die. People can't stop starting them.
Not to mention that nobody ever changes their opinions on these threads. Seriously, not one thing any of the pro-templars have said has changed my mind about anything regarding my pro-mage views and I doubt any kind of thing I say, no matter how supported, would ever change their minds. Has anyone ever actually changed their views because of these threads?
Seems all these threads do is just gave cause for people to insult people.
Uhm... actually... If I see some pro-mage argument that says more that "mages should be free templars are monsters", it makes me think about it - if it helps my general Thedas goal - to make the situation for the coexistence of mages and non-mages better.
DA2 caused me to take the templar side, because, seriously, Kirkwall was beyond mad and the abominations and blood mages running left and right were quite terrifying, but that doesn't mean I am Meredith or otherwise immune to reason.
And unlike Anders, Fiona and some other fanatics, I do believe that some sort of compromise is possible. It would require a lot of work, but it is possible.
Surely you would love if you born with magic, be imprisoned in a tower far from the world.
The empathy doesn't exist?
You know what? If everything about my personality stayed and the only difference would be that I'd be born with magic, I would gladly go to some Circle tower and preferably to be made Tranquil.
Uhm... actually... If I see some pro-mage argument that says more that "mages should be free templars are monsters", it makes me think about it - if it helps my general Thedas goal - to make the situation for the coexistence of mages and non-mages better.
DA2 caused me to take the templar side, because, seriously, Kirkwall was beyond mad and the abominations and blood mages running left and right were quite terrifying, but that doesn't mean I am Meredith or otherwise immune to reason.
And unlike Anders, Fiona and some other fanatics, I do believe that some sort of compromise is possible. It would require a lot of work, but it is possible.
I'm just going to defend Fiona here and say that she never said she didn't think compromise was possible. Anders certainly didn't but Fiona never expressed that sentiment.
Don't worry, these threads will never die. People can't stop starting them.
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