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Vivienne's description of relative "freedom" in circle towers: retcon, sugar coating, or her own personal experience only?


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#1026
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-_- <Facepalm> he says he found in the fade only chaos and corruption how exactly that defies thing i have said? 

 

I would like link or screenshot of that saying she is an abomnation

 

 

As above.

1. It defies the point you were making that it was about state, not color.

 

2. Or you can just pop up the game and look for yourself.



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The quest log doesn't seem to have listened to Justice's dialogue and taken it in context with what happened with Cole, the Avvar gods who needed replacing, and Mouse.

Link to what justice said then.



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1. It defies the point you were making that it was about state, not color.

 

2. Or you can just pop up the game and look for yourself.

1.It was about color as i said he was talking about being it black and corrupted ,then you gave link to where he was talking about his visit in the fade and that he found only chaos and corruption there when he got there ,also you used his word as evidence of that taint was always there so im waiting on how that defies that maker corrupted them when they got there?

 

2.I don't have access to account i had daa anymore so im awaiting for link or screen.

 

 



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Link to what justice said then.

Here. It seems like the abomination interpretation requires a bit of stretching his words. The two most natural interpretations are that the Baroness became a demon (and I can't think of any other time that has ever happened) or that a demon replaced her (which happened with Mouse, assuming there even was such an apprentice; Cole; and any Avvar gods who have ever died.) I'll even grant that her becoming a demon is a slightly better fit, but so far as I know that's unprecedented.



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The quest log doesn't seem to have listened to Justice's dialogue and taken it in context with what happened with Cole, the Avvar gods who needed replacing, and Mouse.

 

 

Link to what justice said then.

Never mind. Found a link. At 27:42  . Justice calls her a witch, fiend and sorceress when he is in the fade and out. And when he say she is a demon of pride he said she assumed that role. Assumed does not mean replaced by.http://dictionary.re...m/browse/assume

https://youtu.be/2KX7G8ZEqQo?t=1679



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1.It was about color as i said he was talking about being it black and corrupted ,then you gave link to where he was talking about his visit in the fade and that he found only chaos and corruption there when he got there ,also you used his word as evidence of that taint was always there so im waiting on how that defies that maker corrupted them when they got there?

 

2.I don't have access to account i had daa anymore so im awaiting for link or screen.

 

 

1. Taint is corruption. Taint is also black.

 

2. Too bad. I'm not wasting my time on that.



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1.http://dictionary.re.../browse/control
control. to[/size] [/size]exercise[/size] [/size]restraint[/size] [/size]or[/size] [/size]direction[/size] [/size]over;[/size] [/size]dominate;[/size] [/size]command[/size]
 
Trapping it in s shrine does not mean this? heck, it does not even attack the avvar that come up when it's awaken.[/size]
 
2.Well,  just because there is a limit to informing people of it does not mean is not being controlled.[/size]

 
No, I don't agree with you. There is nothing more to say about it, lets just agree to disagree.
 

You are who consider sacrifice yourself for the good of all.
This altruism is a crime for the survival

I really didn't understand what you said.

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Never mind. Found a link. At 27:42  . Justice calls her a witch, fiend and sorceress when he is in the fade and out. And when he say she is a demon of pride he said she assumed that role. Assumed does not mean replaced by.http://dictionary.re...m/browse/assume

https://youtu.be/2KX7G8ZEqQo?t=1679

It seems to me that "assume" in this context either refers to the Baroness taking on the role of a demon (which I don't even know to be possible in this setting) or a demon taking on the role of the Baroness (which is far from without precedent.) Neither of these is her being an abomination, as you'd originally asserted.



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1. Taint is corruption. Taint is also black.

 

2. Too bad. I'm not wasting my time on that.

 

1.So, so is the black city. Once again how that defies that city was corrupted by the maker?

 

2.Well then i can't trust you with that considering your tendency to make up stuff and that i still remember your claim that rylock didn't planed to kill anders that finished after 2 pages where i directly linked to video where pretty much she says that she wanted.



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No, I don't agree with you. There is nothing more to say about it, lets just agree to disagree.
  I really didn't understand what you said.

 

Don't be hypocrite, if you are so good give poor kids food or anything.

You never going to become a tranquil or die for the security of the people, that is iron bullsh**



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Don't be hypocrite, if you are so good give poor kids food or anything.

You never going to become a tranquil or die for the security of the people, that is iron bullsh**

And you wouldn't want to deal with the potential consequences of mage freedom, to which giving up your ability to be very happy (and as a silver lining your ability to be sad) doesn't seem like that much of a sacrifice.



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And you wouldn't want to deal with the potential consequences of mage freedom, to which giving up your ability to be very happy (and as a silver lining your ability to be sad) doesn't seem like that much of a sacrifice.

And there is absolutely nothing to stop anyone from making you their sex slave considering you can't consent. You also apparently can't take care of yourself and would die unless someone supervised you like a baby. 



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And there is absolutely nothing to stop anyone from making you their sex slave considering you can't consent. You also apparently can't take care of yourself and would die unless someone supervised you like a baby. 

The Tranquil seem to show more free will than that in Asunder. At any rate: the Tranquil aren't dead. (Until a whole bunch of them get murdered during Uldred's rebellion and the events of Inquisition, anyway.)



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The Tranquil seem to show more free will than that in Asunder. At any rate: the Tranquil aren't dead. (Until a whole bunch of them get murdered during Uldred's rebellion and the events of Inquisition, anyway.)

And yet apparently Cole's banter and the events in DA2 kind of say that the Tranquil can't say no and are raped. If tranquil did have that much free will, you'd think they would say no or tell people but according to you the tranquil who are raped apparently wanted to be raped.



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The Tranquil seem to show more free will than that in Asunder. At any rate: the Tranquil aren't dead. (Until a whole bunch of them get murdered during Uldred's rebellion and the events of Inquisition, anyway.)

 

Be a tranquil is like be dead.
Why live if you can't feel anything?

Is being a slave from others, life the tranquils in the circle of Dragon age Origin.



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No, I don't agree with you. There is nothing more to say about it, lets just agree to disagree.
 

Ok but you're still dissagree with the meaning of the word control.



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Be a tranquil is like be dead.
 

No It's not.



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1.So, so is the black city. Once again how that defies that city was corrupted by the maker?

 

2.Well then i can't trust you with that considering your tendency to make up stuff and that i still remember your claim that rylock didn't planed to kill anders that finished after 2 pages where i directly linked to video where pretty much she says that she wanted.

1. Not it was golden but covered in corruption. Remember, they can see it's golden from the fade.

 

2. But I'm not and you're warping an obvious truth.



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And yet apparently Cole's banter and the events in DA2 kind of say that the Tranquil can't say no and are raped. If tranquil did have that much free will, you'd think they would say no or tell people but according to you the tranquil who are raped apparently wanted to be raped.

If you'd kindly drop the inflammatory arguments.

 

Now. The Tranquil in DA2 are subject to beatings, according to dialogue with a shopkeeper. Which, if one suspects a correlation between that and them obeying Alrik, is terrible but not too much more so than just about everything else that happened in the Gallows. And true, I wouldn't want to live in the Gallows, but the question asked as "for the greater good." Nothing that happened in Kirkwall was for the greater good. And I can't find Cole's banter in the wiki page, so could you be more specific? In exact words, if you can remember them?

 

 

Be a tranquil is like be dead.
Why live if you can't feel anything?

Is being a slave from others, life the tranquils in the circle of Dragon age Origin.

The Tranquil feel something. The one from Diary from the Tranquil describes himself as "content," the ones you can save from the Shades in the Circle Tower describe it as "uncomfortable," Owain expresses a preference to be in a familiar area when Wynne chides him for not drawing attention to himself when he met the barrier (not saying this isn't scary, but it is evidence they feel something,) and the Tranquil who Wynne meets on the way into the White Spire phylactery chamber chooses to defy Lambert with a smile on her face. Their emotions are stunted, not removed. Probably because thinking with no emotions at all would either be impossible (which is my bet) or be so alien as to be impossible to properly write (which is a scarier thought than anything I've typed today.)



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It seems to me that "assume" in this context either refers to the Baroness taking on the role of a demon (which I don't even know to be possible in this setting) or a demon taking on the role of the Baroness (which is far from without precedent.) Neither of these is her being an abomination, as you'd originally asserted.

If it was the demon  assuming the role  the baroness he would literly says that but the line is "she assumed the role" and demons and never referred by genders.



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1. Not it was golden but covered in corruption. Remember, they can see it's golden from the fade.

 

2. But I'm not and you're warping an obvious truth.

1.Once again how it defies that maker corrupted city when he got there?

2.As far you are one making false statements without any evidence and giving links to pretty much wiki articles that say nothing on that statement.



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The Tranquil feel something. The one from Diary from the Tranquil describes himself as "content," the ones you can save from the Shades in the Circle Tower describe it as "uncomfortable," Owain expresses a preference to be in a familiar area when Wynne chides him for not drawing attention to himself when he met the barrier (not saying this isn't scary, but it is evidence they feel something,) and the Tranquil who Wynne meets on the way into the White Spire phylactery chamber chooses to defy Lambert with a smile on her face. Their emotions are stunted, not removed. Probably because thinking with no emotions at all would either be impossible (which is my bet) or be so alien as to be impossible to properly write (which is a scarier thought than anything I've typed today.)

 

So, for the security of others, all the mages should become robots?

The greatest tolerance and freedom for everyone is like the friendship, totally magic  :wub:



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If you'd kindly drop the inflammatory arguments.

 

Now. The Tranquil in DA2 are subject to beatings, according to dialogue with a shopkeeper. Which, if one suspects a correlation between that and them obeying Alrik, is terrible but not too much more so than just about everything else that happened in the Gallows. And true, I wouldn't want to live in the Gallows, but the question asked as "for the greater good." Nothing that happened in Kirkwall was for the greater good. And I can't find Cole's banter in the wiki page, so could you be more specific? In exact words, if you can remember them?

 

 

 

  • Cassandra: What the Templars did to you, to the real Cole... I knew the treatment was harsh, but...

Cole: Yes. Beatings, worse. "Do you remember telling me no? You can't do that now. The Tranquil don't say no to anything."

  • Cassandra: Maker's breath!
  • Cole: Not all, but enough. The good templars were too afraid to stop the others.
  • Cassandra: Whatever happens in the future, there will be changes to how templars and mages govern themselves.
  • Cassandra: The Inquisition may have a say in such changes. I... would appreciate any insight you might have.
  • Cole: Compassion and faith. Not all, but a start. I can help. I can try.

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#1049
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1.Once again how it defies that maker corrupted city when he got there?

2.As far you are one making false statements without any evidence and giving links to pretty much wiki articles that say nothing on that statement.

1. No say what he saw is not how he currupted it. he never did. It already was corrupted. Cory states so.

2. the evidence is the quest itself.



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  • Cassandra: What the Templars did to you, to the real Cole... I knew the treatment was harsh, but...

Cole: Yes. Beatings, worse. "Do you remember telling me no? You can't do that now. The Tranquil don't say no to anything."

  • Cassandra: Maker's breath!
  • Cole: Not all, but enough. The good templars were too afraid to stop the others.
  • Cassandra: Whatever happens in the future, there will be changes to how templars and mages govern themselves.
  • Cassandra: The Inquisition may have a say in such changes. I... would appreciate any insight you might have.
  • Cole: Compassion and faith. Not all, but a start. I can help. I can try.

 

Dude. that's a templer treating a mage that he will turn the traquil no him talking to one.