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[MisterJB]

 

"Don't say no" is not the same as "can't say no".

Cole is repeating what a Templar said word by word. Therefore, the Templar was simply under the impression they don't make decisions which is untrue.

 

 

[Boost32]

Don't be hypocrite, if you are so good give poor kids food or anything.
You never going to become a tranquil or die for the security of the people, that is iron bullsh**

Where I said something about being good?
Ofc I'm never going to become tranquil, its doesn't exist. And about dying, I would go to the war if my country ever needed me, but I don't think thats what you meant.

[TheKomandorShepard]

1. No say what he saw is not how he currupted it. he never did. It already was corrupted. Cory states so.

What he said when he got there that it was corrupted/black and it supposed to be golden ,but yet again i ask how that fact when he put his foot in black city and he found it corrupted prevents maker from corrupting city and him when he got there?

[leaguer of one]

What he said when he got there and that it was corrupted/black and it supposed to be golden ,but yet again i ask how that fact when he put his foot in black city and he found it corrupted prevents maker from corrupting city and him when he got there?

That means it never was golden. Note he never said it was golden and then turned black. He says it black  when he found it. That means he never turned it black.

[TheKomandorShepard]

That means it never was golden. Note he never said it was golden and then turned black. He says it black  when he found it. That means he never turned it black.

It means that it was black when he got there not that city was never golden...

[Shienis]

Because Lambert was unwilling to make any compromises. The tranquility cure for example was a perfectly reasonable request considering that mages were illegally made tranquil in circles like Kirkwall.

 

Uh... true.

 

It seems more funny

 

What exactly is funny with that statement?

 

And will you disown the giver? Or spurn His gift, and count it a misfortune?

 

If that gift comes with price I'm not willing to pay? Sure, why not?

 

 

Don't be hypocrite, if you are so good give poor kids food or anything.

You never going to become a tranquil or die for the security of the people, that is iron bullsh**

Be a tranquil is like be dead.
Why live if you can't feel anything?

Is being a slave from others, life the tranquils in the circle of Dragon age Origin.

 

So... just because you wouldn't do something, it means no one else would? Do you really believe all people are the same? If we're the same, why do we have this conversation then?

Plus you seem to be quite quick to assign motivations to other people. Not appreciated.

The world is not black and white, just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't have to mean they're lying or being hypocrites.

Also, how are poor kids & food related to mages & circles & tranquilisation?

 

The greatest tolerance and freedom for everyone is like the friendship, totally magic 

 

Whatever you're smoking, just stop.

[Arshei]

Where I said something about being good?
Ofc I'm never going to become tranquil, its doesn't exist. And about dying, I would go to the war if my country ever needed me, but I don't think thats what you meant.

 

 

 

So... just because you wouldn't do something, it means no one else would? Do you really believe all people are the same? If we're the same, why do we have this conversation then?

Plus you seem to be quite quick to assign motivations to other people. Not appreciated.

The world is not black and white, just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't have to mean they're lying or being hypocrites.

Also, how are poor kids & food related to mages & circles & tranquilisation?

 

So.. if you get superpowers or something like that... you are going to suicide for the safety of the people?

[leaguer of one]

It means that it was black when he got there not that city was never golden...

...No, it means it was black before he go there.

Watch the video  I posted. he said he "found". Found does not mean it changed.

[The Baconer]

If that gift comes with price I'm not willing to pay? Sure, why not?

 

The best soldiers are sent upon the most difficult and dangerous expeditions, and as you are the best soldiers of the Maker, ye will probably be called to drink deepest of His cup and to carry the heaviest burdens.

 

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Know that these things, far from being hinderances to the work of the Maker, or to your souls, unless by your own fault, are not only unavoidable in the course of Providence, but profitable, yea, necessary for you. Therefore, receive them from the Maker (not from chance) with willingness and thankfulness.

[Shienis]

So.. if you get superpowers or something like that... you are going to suicide for the safety of the people?

 

Let's pretend I'm in Thedas then and let's also pretend I'd be able to gain my magic at my current age and not twenty years earlier. (I'm sorry, I really don't remember how I was thinking back then) What would I do? Hm... I'd go to the nearest Circle. (or second nearest if the first would be Kirkwall) Then I would told them I got magic, I have no idea how to control it and it would be best if they made me Tranquil, because the combination of me and magic is not good. And then I would defer to any decision they'd pass on me, be it death, tranquilisation or simply staying there and learn.

Commit suicide? No. Accept death sentence? Yes.

 

 

Now that I answered your question, could you please answer mine: how are poor kids & food related to mages & circles & tranquilisation? 

[leaguer of one]

 

Commit suicide? No. Accept death sentence? Yes.

 

 

Dude...That's the same thing. And that's impossible to think other people will think that way. That is not human nature. We are not all lawfully neutral like you.

[leaguer of one]

The best soldiers are sent upon the most difficult and dangerous expeditions, and as you are the best soldiers of the Maker, ye will probably be called to drink deepest of His cup and to carry the heaviest burdens.

 

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Know that these things, far from being hinderances to the work of the Maker, or to your souls, unless by your own fault, are not only unavoidable in the course of Providence, but profitable, yea, necessary for you. Therefore, receive them from the Maker (not from chance) with willingness and thankfulness.

Ironically, it's really titans blood.

[Arshei]

Let's pretend I'm in Thedas then and let's also pretend I'd be able to gain my magic at my current age and not twenty years earlier. (I'm sorry, I really don't remember how I was thinking back then) What would I do? Hm... I'd go to the nearest Circle. (or second nearest if the first would be Kirkwall) Then I would told them I got magic, I have no idea how to control it and it would be best if they made me Tranquil, because the combination of me and magic is not good. And then I would defer to any decision they'd pass on me, be it death, tranquilisation or simply staying there and learn.

Commit suicide? No. Accept death sentence? Yes.

 

 

Now that I answered your question, could you please answer mine: how are poor kids & food related to mages & circles & tranquilisation? 

 

You can't die and create another character, if you die, you die!
I can't believe you prefer die to live because you think you going to suck with the magic, where is the survival instinct?

[Shienis]

Dude...That's the same thing. And that's impossible to think other people will think that way. That is not human nature. We are not all lawfully neutral like you.

 

It's not the same thing. I'm very certain I wouldn't have courage to do it myself, because I'd be able to mess up.

And I didn't say others should or would think like that, I said it's what I would do.

 

I'm not lawfully neutral, I'm lawfully chaotic! (too bad it's not on any chart)

 

You can't die and create another character, if you die, you die!
I can't believe you prefer die to live because you think you going to suck with the magic, where is the survival instinct?

What's so hard to believe in that some people lack survival instinct? Have you ever heard of Darwin Awards?

[leaguer of one]

It's not the same thing. I'm very certain I wouldn't have courage to do it myself, because I'd be able to mess up.

And I didn't say others should or would think like that, I said it's what I would do.

 

I'm not lawfully neutral, I'm lawfully chaotic! (too bad it's not on any chart)

 

 

Yes it is suicide. It's assisted suicide. You are deciding to die, even worse that you're doing it at someone elses will who may not fully understand magic in general.

 

And if you are going to die at someones will and rule the makes you pretty lawful and farrrrrr from chaotic. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

So.. if you get superpowers or something like that... you are going to suicide for the safety of the people?

If the superpowers suck enough that that is necessary, I would hope so. And as far as some mages go, that's the case. Those mages either need to die or need to become Tranquil.

 

If it was the demon  assuming the role  the baroness he would literly says that but the line is "she assumed the role" and demons and never referred by genders.

Okay, it's simply not true that demons are never assigned gender. Connor identifies his demon as female, and Dorian apparently identified the first one he met as a man. It's true that both of them were desire demons, but the fact remains that they chose the genders that served their purposes. Why can't a demon who perceives an advantage to being the Baroness do the same? And since she apparently has, why can't Justice call her by it?

[leaguer of one]

 

 

Okay, it's simply not true that demons are never assigned gender. Connor identifies his demon as female, and Dorian apparently identified the first one he met as a man. It's true that both of them were desire demons, but the fact remains that they chose the genders that served their purposes. Why can't the Baroness do the same? And since she has, why can't Justice call her by it?

Just because a person assigns a demon a gender does not mean the said demon id's with a gender. Outsiders can confuse this due to ignorance. Add, the person giving it is a being that understand demons not only have genders but is a gender less spirit itself. Justice knows better.

 

Connor, being the ignorant mage child that he is, would not know this. Justice, a spirit that has no gender like demons, would know this.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Just because a person assigns a demon a gender does not mean the said demon id's with a gender. Outsiders can confuse this due to ignorance. Add, the person giving it is a being that understand demons not only have genders but is a gender less spirit itself. Justice knows better.

 

Connor, being the ignorant mage child that he is, would not know this. Justice, a spirit that has no gender like demons, would know this.

While I suppose I agree that it is mildly improbable, it just strikes me as less improbable than that a person can turn into a demon and that she's the only example. Unless you're still talking about her being possessed without a body, which is even less probable and fairly clearly not what Justice is talking about.

 

Unless there's a fourth potential explanation that all of this fits with better?

[leaguer of one]

While I suppose I agree that it is mildly improbable, it just strikes me as less improbable than that a person can turn into a demon and that she's the only example. Unless you're still talking about her being possessed without a body, which is even less probable and fairly clearly not what Justice is talking about.

It's not like the lore does not show a person can't live body less. They can so in the fade and we see it in broken circle. Heck, all the villagers in the Shadows of the Blackmarsh are people living in the fade body less.

 

And a person bonded with a spirit/demon is now just the same as said bonded being and vice versa

 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

 

It's not like the lore does not show a person can't live body less. They can so in the fade and we see it in broken circle. Heck, all the villagers in the Shadows of the Blackmarsh are people living in the fade body less.

 

And a person bonded with a spirit/demon is now just the same as said bonded being and vice versa

Come to think of it, there was a Shade in the Blackmarsh who possessed... or subdued... or something'd one of the people trapped there. And Anders is still possessed when he enters the Fade, as is Wynne. The issue is that that really doesn't seem to be what Justice is taking about. "There was such a mortal once, but now? That is a demon of pride" is not how you'd expect Justice would describe "a demon possessed that woman's disembodied spirit," but fits pretty well with "The Baroness we just fought is a Pride Demon who killed and replaced the real Baroness." If "She assumed that role" uses a pronoun that isn't in the strictest sense proper to apply, it's still less confusing than describing an abomination that way.

 

On the other hand, I think I remember reading that Anders describes Anders and Justice not really existing as separate beings anymore, despite it plainly not being true given that Justice can take over entirely (albeit usually as a corrupted version of himself.) So, maybe we shouldn't be using Justice's descriptions as evidence at all, assuming that Anders got that description from him. Which would mean that the Baroness could be possessed, or could be a demonic impostor, or could be a woman turned into a demon. In that case, I guess I'd be willing to go with "possessed despite not having a body" if that's really what the quest log says.

[Master Warder Z_]

Because Lambert was unwilling to make any compromises. The tranquility cure for example was a perfectly reasonable request considering that mages were illegally made tranquil in circles like Kirkwall.

Right after another assassination attempt of the Divine by a blood mage who happened to be a Enchanter at the White Spire, oh yes that's the perfect time to give into the extremists.

It's like pro mages don't even see the other side of the argument.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Right after another assassination attempt of the Divine by a blood mage who happened to be a Enchanter at the White Spire, oh yes that's the perfect time to give into the extremists.

It's like pro mages don't even see the other side of the argument.

Don't act like pro-Templars never do the same thing. And you forget that the Divine didn't punish the mages for the actions of one person, a sensible thing to do that the Templars seem to forget. I wouldn't be surprised if Lambert had a hand in he assassination attempt.

Also, funny how the mages likely wouldn't have rebelled if Lambert and the Templars didn't abuse and remove any rights the mages previously had.

Funny how you think mages are always to blame yet the Templars can do no wrong in your eyes?

[Barquiel]

Right, because that assassination attempt was the only reason why Lambert used everything in his power to stop the cure from becoming public knowledge; a cure that could help mages who were wrongfully tranquillized.

[Master Warder Z_]

Right, because that assassination attempt was the only reason why Lambert used everything in his power to stop the cure from becoming public knowledge

His reasoning is outlined in the text itself actually.

[thesuperdarkone2]

His reasoning is outlined in the text itself actually.

Funny how his attempts to stop mages wound up making things worse. It's his fault Meredith got as far as she did, not to mention him being a filthy liar regarding the cure for tranquility