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[Eyes_Only]

Guess I saw Alistair differently in my DAO play through. He knows the wardens give up titles and what not. But his lack of interest in the throne was more due to the responsibility then the "wardens don't take titles" thing. He did NOT want the throne. Considering my HoF had grown up assuming he would end up marrying a Howe or something anyway, Queen Anora was not a bad decision.

 

BTW a hardened Alistair will always take the throne even if you go behind his back and support Anora.

 

Which my warden did not. Alistair and he had discussed what to do about the throne and Alistair was rather happy he was not the one marrying Anora.

 

And yeah maybe its been 10 years for Alistair to finally realize how childish he was back then. But he feels putting the blame on Sir Philip helps him sleep at night. After all he was the senior warden who pretty much fell under the shadow of the young recruit Sir Philip who rose up to be Commander of the Grey and King while he became a no body.

 

And I doubt drunk Alistair would show up in DAI... because depending on your choices you only get Stroud, Alistair or Loghain right?

 

And I don't feel bad Alistair thinks he got the short end. After all he broke many of my female warden's hearts when they got him the throne and due to being elf or otherwise, he ended the relationship saying it was not fitting for a king.

[Arakat]

No one mentions Alistair again. Anora is queen and Loghain shows up on the ramparts.

 

With regards to the OP's complaint, I thought Alistair was fine as a Warden. Ten years of exile would make him bitter, and I appreciated that his customary sarcasm had turned dark.

 

Hawk... dunno. My diplo Hawke sounded great. Everything he said was perfectly in character, IMO. He was diplomatic, mostly, but an earnest supporter of mage rights. My aggressive Hawke... no so much. And while he was a warrior himself, he supported mage rights and was Merrill's lover. He had no qualms with magic, not even blood magic.

 

But we can't have everything. They did warn us that if our characters came back, we might not like what they did with them.

 

Um... what exile? Am I missing something, because as far as I know, he becomes the wandering drunk if he's exiled, and as you said, doesn't show up in Inquisition? Whereas as a Warden, he's only given up his claim to the throne.

 

Anyway, he said the "dark path" line about my female elf Warden as well, so I'm guessing he just refers to the Dark Ritual. (Gee, thanks, Alistair, it's not like the ritual saved your life or anything  )

[berelinde]

Um... what exile? Am I missing something, because as far as I know, he becomes the wandering drunk if he's exiled, and as you said, doesn't show up in Inquisition? Whereas as a Warden, he's only given up his claim to the throne.

 

Anyway, he said the "dark path" line about my female elf Warden as well, so I'm guessing he just refers to the Dark Ritual. (Gee, thanks, Alistair, it's not like the ritual saved your life or anything  )

In my latest game, my Cousland married Anora and became Prince Consort. Alistair remained in the Wardens, and he was waiting in the cave in Crestwood. He told my Inquisitor he hadn't been keeping up on the Hero of Ferelden because he'd been exiled by Anora. Alistair had killed Loghain in that playthrough, so he wasn't a wandering drunk. He was still a Grey Warden, it's just that he was exiled from Ferelden. Apparently, if you make Anora queen and don't marry her off to Alistair, she exiles him regardless. I don't blame her for that. As long as he lives, he's a political threat to her.

 

Spoiler

But I was crushed when Varric said that at last, the Theirin bloodline was dead. I considered reloading and leaving Hawke in the Fade instead, but that would have been even worse.

[SwordofMercy1]

The warden cameos didn't bother me... But my Hawke did. It was like Bioware was saying, "Hey, you get to make your own character, make a crap tone of decisions with consequences, and tailor their personalities in the DA2" then here come DA:I and that all goes out the window. Makes me wish Hawke was never in DA:I with how bad they broke her for me. In all honesty, I did not want Hawke to appear in this game because I knew they would do something like this. Yes, I understand you can't please everyone... But why let us tailor our Hawkes the way we want to if your just going to throw it out the window?

 

Not mad about it really. Just disappointed that it wasn't better.

 

Oh well. I'll just pretend that Hawke isn't mine.

[Hair Serious Business]

Wait Philip?lol

My Inquisitor Draven romanced Josephine and she named him very large list of with who people pair him with and she also in end said that people pair my Inquisitor with some Philip.

 

Draven x Sir Philip....well after I read about your "Philip" seems legit know why because both my Inquisitor Draven and your Sir Philip are pure bunch of a$$holes...though your Philip is still bigger douche then Draven that's for sure

[Red Panda]

Your good did not coincide with Alistair's view of good.

 

Therefore, Alistair thinks you are not good.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Hawke sure bore no resemblance to my Hawke from DA 2.

 

Aside from the complete absence of sarcastic Hawke, in DA:I she repeatedly gave big speeches about how there was never any excuse for blood magic... ever.

 

In DA 2, she romanced Merril... 

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

Wait Philip?lol

My Inquisitor Draven romanced Josephine and she named him very large list of with who people pair him with and she also in end said that people pair my Inquisitor with some Philip.

 

Draven x Sir Philip....well after I read about your "Philip" seems legit know why because both my Inquisitor Draven and your Sir Philip are pure bunch of a$$holes...though your Philip is still bigger douche then Draven that's for sure

VOOOOOIIIIIIII! I still want sliders of him for lolz

[DanteYoda]

I believe a lot of whats wrong with DA I starts with that horrible keep thing. Why that was made is beyond me.

 

Too this day i've never been able to get exactly what happened in my DAO and DA 2 to work in The keep..

 

So yeah a lot of my histories are out of character.

 

 

Hawke sure bore no resemblance to my Hawke from DA 2.

 

Aside from the complete absence of sarcastic Hawke, in DA:I she repeatedly gave big speeches about how there was never any excuse for blood magic... ever.

 

In DA 2, she romanced Merril... 

Same here, i went all the way through DA2 as mage follower then in DA I my Hawke instantly hates mages with a passion and they are all Blood Mages   ...

 

I was like who the hell are you..

 

I also Romanced Merrill.

[Arakat]

In my latest game, my Cousland married Anora and became Prince Consort. Alistair remained in the Wardens, and he was waiting in the cave in Crestwood. He told my Inquisitor he hadn't been keeping up on the Hero of Ferelden because he'd been exiled by Anora. Alistair had killed Loghain in that playthrough, so he wasn't a wandering drunk. He was still a Grey Warden, it's just that he was exiled from Ferelden. Apparently, if you make Anora queen and don't marry her off to Alistair, she exiles him regardless. I don't blame her for that. As long as he lives, he's a political threat to her.

 

Spoiler

But I was crushed when Varric said that at last, the Theirin bloodline was dead. I considered reloading and leaving Hawke in the Fade instead, but that would have been even worse.

 

Wow, really? I had no idea - I suppose he only mentions it if the Warden marries Anora, then (since I had Anora ruling alone, and Alistair said nothing about being exiled... I think I'd remember if he did) and the exile must have happened after the Blight, since he's very much around in Origins if he remains a Warden I guess that also explains why he's not in Awakening. Interesting, thanks!

[berelinde]

Wow, really? I had no idea - I suppose he only mentions it if the Warden marries Anora, then (since I had Anora ruling alone, and Alistair said nothing about being exiled... I think I'd remember if he did) and the exile must have happened after the Blight, since he's very much around in Origins if he remains a Warden I guess that also explains why he's not in Awakening. Interesting, thanks!

One of my in-progress games has Warden Alistair remaining with Warden F!Cousland. I'll have to see if he still says that he was exiled. It's possible that he only says it if the Warden marries Anora, but I have no idea. Either way would make sense. If he's romantically involved with the HoF, it's possible that Anora might consider him sufficiently motivated to remain a Grey Warden not to call for his banishment, but if she did banish him, it would also be understandable. Her claim to the throne is tenuous. It's legitimate! She is the daughter of a teyrn, even if Loghain was elevated for his actions not because of his bloodline, just as Cousland is the child of a teyrn. There's no reason either of them should not have been elevated. But Maric restored the throne at least partially based on his bloodline, so as long as that bloodline exists, Anora would probably want to keep Alistair as far from Ferelden as possible.

 

Opinions about the Ferelden monarch are usually pretty strong, but I always liked both candidates. I have equal playthroughs of each.

[Arakat]

One of my in-progress games has Warden Alistair remaining with Warden F!Cousland. I'll have to see if he still says that he was exiled. It's possible that he only says it if the Warden marries Anora, but I have no idea. Either way would make sense. If he's romantically involved with the HoF, it's possible that Anora might consider him sufficiently motivated to remain a Grey Warden not to call for his banishment, but if she did banish him, it would also be understandable. Her claim to the throne is tenuous. It's legitimate! She is the daughter of a teyrn, even if Loghain was elevated for his actions not because of his bloodline, just as Cousland is the child of a teyrn. There's no reason either of them should not have been elevated. But Maric restored the throne at least partially based on his bloodline, so as long as that bloodline exists, Anora would probably want to keep Alistair as far from Ferelden as possible.

 

Opinions about the Ferelden monarch are usually pretty strong, but I always liked both candidates. I have equal playthroughs of each.

 

Basically, she wouldn't have to exile him if it weren't for hardcore Theirin fanboys like Eamon.   But let's not go into my personal biases against the Arl.

 

Hmm... I'll see if I can dig up an Inquisition save that follows my original canon (Anora as sole ruler, unromanced Warden Alistair) and see what he says again.

 

Edit: Found my Crestwood save, and nope, definitely no mention of him being exiled. Either he wasn't, or he doesn't feel like mentioning it (since the HoF has nothing do with Anora anyway in this case).

[Eyes_Only]

I am curious now what Alistair would say about the warden if...

 

Anora was made queen but the warden (male) did not marry her, did not take any command, and left after the party. Of course Loghain would be dead. Then of course in DA2, you do not encounter Stroud.

 

I think Bioware tried to much and missed to much in all this by adding so many previous game characters into the mix. Take Mass Effect for example. Now that's an example of Bioware pulling it off correctly. For instance meeting Wrex in ME2 and having Tali and Garrus with you. They all acknowledge each other.

 

But in DAI you end up with Alistair, Leliana, Morrigan, Hawke, Cassandra and Varric. I don't recall Morrigan/Alistair/Leliana having any conversations with each other in a way of catching up. "Wow its been 10 years... how you been?" Nothing at all. Not even a scene where Cassandra and Hawke meet and Hawke saying "Well here I am Seeker." Nothing of the sort.

 

I suppose I'll find out, but does Leliana even acknowledge Alistair's death? You'd think she would be saddened by it? I don't even think she mentions him when he turns up alive even.

 

As for Sir Philip and Draven... *chuckles* he did share Isabela with Zevran but otherwise I don't think he would be interested lol

[Cypher0020]

Well I just put my qunari mage state into the Keep

 

So my Fade choices will be default!Hawke, or Alistair.........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. choices.

 

 

Yeah.....bye generic Hawke.

 

None of mine transfered over........ sooo........

[Arakat]

I am curious now what Alistair would say about the warden if...

 

Anora was made queen but the warden (male) did not marry her, did not take any command, and left after the party. Of course Loghain would be dead. Then of course in DA2, you do not encounter Stroud.

 

I think Bioware tried to much and missed to much in all this by adding so many previous game characters into the mix. Take Mass Effect for example. Now that's an example of Bioware pulling it off correctly. For instance meeting Wrex in ME2 and having Tali and Garrus with you. They all acknowledge each other.

 

But in DAI you end up with Alistair, Leliana, Morrigan, Hawke, Cassandra and Varric. I don't recall Morrigan/Alistair/Leliana having any conversations with each other in a way of catching up. "Wow its been 10 years... how you been?" Nothing at all. Not even a scene where Cassandra and Hawke meet and Hawke saying "Well here I am Seeker." Nothing of the sort.

 

I suppose I'll find out, but does Leliana even acknowledge Alistair's death? You'd think she would be saddened by it? I don't even think she mentions him when he turns up alive even.

 

As for Sir Philip and Draven... *chuckles* he did share Isabela with Zevran but otherwise I don't think he would be interested lol

 

I don't think it's possible for the living HoF to not become the Warden-Commander; the Keep seems to assume the events happened anyway. So presumably, you'd just get the "dark path" line from Alistair if you did the ritual. Same as a female Warden who didn't romance him.

 

There is a conversation between Alistair and Morrigan, btw, but it's awfully bugged. She also acknowledges his death; Leliana doesn't, afaik. But I agree, I wish there was some more interaction.

[Eyes_Only]

I assume the conversation with Morrigan only happens if you have her and Alistair in Skyhold at the same time? I wonder what her reaction is/does she feel sorrow if he is the father of her son?

 

And I guess my sarcastic Hawke never made it into the Keep due to the Keep being so buggy that I had to manually recreate my Hawke due to her not appearing at all.

 

Choosing Hawke over Stroud was easy for me. Hawke hands down will always survive.

 

Poor Alistair being the last of his blood line... or Varric's reaction to Hawke's death. This will be a tough one for sure.

[Shelidon]

I gotta admit, Sir Phillip sounds like a jerk.

Well, yes, I wasn't going to put it *that* way but still... I must agree. Alistair is right to hate him.
Besides, I think the "dark path" thing comes out if you did the dark ritual. Am I right?

[Nykara]

Soo now that I have actually done a play through with Alistair as a Grey Warden still, he totally seemed in character to me. And oh the feels, his comments about my Warden no way I can leave him in the fade now! And that letter she sent my quizzy, argh. Sorry Hawke but it has to be you. :/

[Linkenski]

I don't know. My only complaint was that Alistair seemed like an incredibly watered down version of his DAO persona, as if he hadn't been written by the same guy. I didn't care for his new voice direction either. Got sick of his smug sounding tone.

[Qun00]

The devs can't guess your headcanon.

[Eyes_Only]

well no they can't guess my "headcannon" but at least they could have gotten him better. Like whats all this banishment about? He was never banished.

[Jay P]

Things like this are why they are going to have to Andromeda the DA world sooner rather than later.

Too many loose strings.

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

Welcome to six months ago!

[Serza]

Welcome to six months ago!

 

Woah! I feel... younger!

 

Also, I feel like sh*t because I'm about to be kicked out of college! Yay!

[Scofield]

Woah! I feel... younger!

 

Also, I feel like sh*t because I'm about to be kicked out of college! Yay!

i'll keep the spare cardboard boxes for you, might get a 3 apartment out of them

 

On a serious note, chin up an keep smiling