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[xJLxKing]

It was likely the biggest decision to make in the game. You think this is the last we hear of this nightmare beast?

[RawToast]

i thought he was a dick

 

 

 

but yeah i hope he appears again, there's just so much possibility for a demon that powerful. I mean, i think he could rival the forbidden ones. No i'm pretty sure he's more powerful considering you can kill Imshael (not to mention hawke killed another whose name im not even going to try to spell) and this bozo was deemed too powerful to murder knife.

 

And also, someone speculated that the spirit of Justinia possessed or idk gave a little something to the inquisitor just before the boss fight, since the quizzy is the only one who shielded their eyes against her light. There was such an interesting parallel with her and the nightmare demon and i hope it get's brought up again, especially if the latter theory has some truth to it.

[SmilesJA]

Didn't we kill him in the Fade?

[RawToast]

Didn't we kill him in the Fade?

 

nah we killed his minion. 

[Ashagar]

Not you just killed a aspect of it with a small fraction of the demon's power while it was busy dealing with the ungodly powerful spirit thing that took the divine's form.

 

Off hand it is more powerful than the four Forbidden ones, especially given that three of them are dead and this thing is apparently too powerful for the inquisitor, hawk and a full party to kill.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Personal theory is that he is the Formless One, only Forbidden One we haven't seen. Possible that growing fat from the Blight made him take a new name. Either way, I expect he had a major impact on the history of the world and that he will play a major role in the future....possibly possessing the one left behind.

[JadeDragon]

So far he seems stronger then the Forbidden Ones but that is slightly hard to judge because we was physically in his realm of the fade and we only fought The Forbidden Ones outside the fade. Since demons are stronger not only in the fade but in there domain of the fade one can assume there power levels would be Physically in Fade>Mentally in Fade>Outside the Fade. Imshael I assume would be at least twice as powerful in the Fade. Not saying he is still stronger then Nightmare though. I can see Nightmare as the Formless One cause it fits. His form changes from person to person because is apperance is your personal fear just x10. Or maybe there are demon lords who rule large portions of the fade and he is one of them. Either way I am sure he will return considering he either kills or possess a big name hero in the dragon age.

[Undead Han]

I hope he doesn't return. Or if he does, I hope it plays out similar to DA:I.

 

I'd hate to see him return just to be some boss for your protagonist to steamroll. One of the things I liked about that villain in DA:I, is that he seemed well beyond the capabilities of your party to fight. Your party had no choice but to run. Having him return as a boss fight in a sequel would just diminish the character as a villain.

[RawToast]

I wouldn't mind him as a boss so long as it's implemented well. Like he's constantly taunting you, and manipulating your companions to his end. Make them doubt. Maybe have them turn against you. Not like in da2 though. You companions betrayal felt more like mind control rather than manipulation. 

 

But yeah, having him fight you with cunning instead of raw strength would be awesome. I'm a sucker those kinds of villains. 

[Biotic Flash Kick]

persoanlly

 

i want to go back into the fade

and stab him in his face with the murder knife after lighting him on fire and stabbing him some more

[Ashagar]

Its a pity that wasn't a option for a nonstandard game over as the demon laughs off your feeble attacks. Anyway from a lore standpoint its the most powerful thing shown in the games so far including the so called elven gods and from a story point there is great potential for it to appear again as pointedly all you did was inconvenienced and possibly annoyed it.

 

I like to run into things like that, things you can't kill or in a literature sense something the heroes can't fight only flee, something to remind you as powerful as you are there are things more powerful than you that you can't hope to defeat.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

the game is a dick for not letting me fight it. i get it - fear is powerful, old, blah blah blah - but i want to try anyway! :3

[Biotic Flash Kick]

the game is a dick for not letting me fight it. i get it - fear is powerful, old, blah blah blah - but i want to try anyway! :3

Kill fear with courage 

[Eliastion]

Its a pity that wasn't a option for a nonstandard game over as the demon laughs off your feeble attacks. Anyway from a lore standpoint its the most powerful thing shown in the games so far including the so called elven gods and from a story point there is great potential for it to appear again as pointedly all you did was inconvenienced and possibly annoyed it.

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Yeah, this game allows save scamming and autosaves once in a while, it would be fun to have a couple places where you can just royally ***ck up and doom everything by being too full of yourself. And that definitely was one of those moments... "oh, great job, you decided to fight, but you know you were kinda important, right? Well, tough luck".

The game would seem a bit more alive if you had the option of losing by making some monumentally stupid choice of a couple smaller (but obviously bad) ones. The choices would seem more... substantial then. Even if the Very Bad Decision choices were pretty obvious (they should be, in fact - it wouldn't be very realistic, but non-standard game-overs should be generally restricted to moments where the player has a good chance to expect exactly the results he gets). 

[Poison_Berrie]

Kill fear with courage 

[Reznore57]

I don't care much about demons and spirits.

The fear demon is just a demon , I bet there are other fear demons , maybe not as big ...but those things are hardly unique.

 

Anyway it's not a big deal , demons and spirits have been around forever ...the main problem wasn't the demon , it was Corypheus using it .

[Eliastion]

Demons tend to be single-minded, not unlike spirits. Regardless of what Solas likes to tell us, their sentience is questionable. They may be potentially sentient, capable of developing proper personality as consequence of exposition to constraints of material world, but until that moment, they're little more than bits of emotions you can speak to (or fight against)*. The huge fear demon could be much more powerful than Cory, but it's doubtful it has enough mind of its own to stop being an obstacle and evolve into enemy...

Though, of course, everything is possible and obstacles can be deadly.

 

*Funny thought - Solas has great power and strong will, it's quite possible that he can shape Fade, and spirits he comes in contact with, to much greater extent than normal people. His spirit friends could literally be his imaginary friends: he thought them to become his friends and that's exactly what they did, pretty much forced to do it by his expectations. To an extent, it's a very said thing. I don't like Solas too much, but if this guy actually imagined spirits into being his friends because he couldn't have any real ones... Now that is sad.

[Ashagar]

Apparently fear demons are one of the kinds of demons that get smarter as they get more powerful and they get more powerful by feeding on fear. Its apparently what makes them potentially more dangerous than even pride and sloth demons. A single fear demon feeding on the fears of a single nation can become powerful enough to warp the fade according to the lore and the nightmare had been feeding on the fears of all of Thadas caused by the blight and the darkspawn since the first blight, its even suggested in game it might even be the first fear demon born at the dawn of dreaming.

[JadeDragon]

Where does these new demons fall in the demon hieracrhy anyway? At base power meaning not special conditions such as feeding on the blight or the sloth demon in origins but a regular fear demon for example where does it fall in line? I know in the past it was pride>desire>sloth>rage>hunger but where does fear envy terror and despair fit? Maybe fear>pride>desire>envy>sloth>despair>rage>terror>hungry or is pride still the strongest with fear being second.

[Ashagar]

From what I gather envy is considered rare and powerful, the rarity is why its not generally doesn't make lists as noted it was able to pull of what it did with the Templars. Only senior Templars would have seen though it and most of them died at the conclave, with the few remaining traitors and the one who didn't and wasn't a traitor, the Knight-Vigilant was murdered because he would have seen though it. Making it worse only veteran Templars know how to fight that sort of demon and many of those were already corrupted.

 

As for fear demons they rule over the Terrors demons. I am not sure where Despair would set according to lore they were originally classified as sloth demons until it was figured out that they were the antithesis of hope instead of justice or valor

[JadeDragon]

If despair is related to hope and if both hope and faith are some of the strongest spirits would that put despair higher then sloth and desire and possible just below pride? I know envy is rare but and only senior templars encounter them but I am sure to a Knight-Vigilant he would probably rank it lower then pride and fear and maybe equal or slightly above or below desire? Terror being minions for fear is why I ranked them so low. Hunger is at the bottom cause only 1 has been encountered in the series being unique somewhat in DA:A. I put rage above terror because rage doesnt show up in the same numbers as terror and rage has also interacted with humans while terror seems like demon warriors. Sloth seems to be in the middle if kinda fits given its nature. And desire being as old as it is was already under pride but seems to be over sloth and I figured it may be over envy more so due to age.

[Ashagar]

That sounds like that might be right.

 

Also apparently a codex describes envy as being equal parts cowardliness which would be the antithesis of courage and arrogance which is the antithesis of humility. 

[Eliastion]

The problem with demons is that they seem to really be each one of a kind, with humans trying to categorize them... but the result is, obviously, pretty arbitrary. It seems, in fact, that terror and fear demons should be categorized together, but they're split because of sheer power difference between the strongest and the rest. And both kinds were lumped together with sloth demons, the latter most likely still existing as a seperate group since those encountered previously hardly seemed to feed on anyone's fears, really...

Basically, I would refrain from constructing power charts, at most we could probably group the demons into 2-3 groups from lesser to greater based on their apparent intelligence. Oh, and if you insist on power ladder - Hunger definitely deservs a higher spot, it's supposedly capable of literally preying on other demons... I'd definitely put it above rage.

[xJLxKing]

The codex identified that Fear demons are among the weakest but have the potency to dominate the fade if it feeds on all type of fear

The one we encounter seems to be like that. It has fed on all of Thedas from their fear on the blight.

So I'll defi say it's likely one of the strongest Demons we have seen but it only feeds on one specific fear not ALLL type of fear

[Kantr]

Where does these new demons fall in the demon hieracrhy anyway? At base power meaning not special conditions such as feeding on the blight or the sloth demon in origins but a regular fear demon for example where does it fall in line? I know in the past it was pride>desire>sloth>rage>hunger but where does fear envy terror and despair fit? Maybe fear>pride>desire>envy>sloth>despair>rage>terror>hungry or is pride still the strongest with fear being second.

Pride and Desire are two of the most powerful demons

 

Demons tend to be single-minded, not unlike spirits. Regardless of what Solas likes to tell us, their sentience is questionable. They may be potentially sentient, capable of developing proper personality as consequence of exposition to constraints of material world, but until that moment, they're little more than bits of emotions you can speak to (or fight against)*. The huge fear demon could be much more powerful than Cory, but it's doubtful it has enough mind of its own to stop being an obstacle and evolve into enemy...

Though, of course, everything is possible and obstacles can be deadly.

 

*Funny thought - Solas has great power and strong will, it's quite possible that he can shape Fade, and spirits he comes in contact with, to much greater extent than normal people. His spirit friends could literally be his imaginary friends: he thought them to become his friends and that's exactly what they did, pretty much forced to do it by his expectations. To an extent, it's a very said thing. I don't like Solas too much, but if this guy actually imagined spirits into being his friends because he couldn't have any real ones... Now that is sad.

Demons can be very intelligent http://dragonage.wik...:_Despair_Demon