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[Helmetto]

There's kind of striking similarities to the Witch of the Wild's tales and Andraste's

 

1) Both Flemmeth and Andraste were betrayed by their husbands 

2) Both had gone after another man (In Flemmeth's case, some dude, in Andraste's, the Maker himself)

3) The Witch of the Wild Tales consist of Flemmeth and her daughters, no sons. Andraste's true daughter, according to a codex in DAI, has only had a line of daughters descended from her, through the line has long since disappeared into the unknown and no one knows where to find Andraste's last descendants. Still. No sons..

 

Its not a lot, but.

[Ashagar]

Morrigan is Flemeth's daughter yet she managed to have a son which would be impossible for someone descended from Andraste. 

[RawToast]

There are quite a few parallels between them. Except for the daughters thing since Morrigan has a son in some world states. However if Flemeth turned out to be Mythal AND Andraste it'd probably demean their respective tales. But I do think Mythal may have nudged Andraste in some way, probably when she heard the voice of the 'maker' in the fade, though I'm more inclined to believe that was Dumat.

 

Ultimately though, I just think Bioware just has a thing for ladies getting betrayed by men. And singing. There's a lot of emphasis on song. Andraste charming the maker with her voice, lyrium, old gods/archdemons. To quote Flemythal "So long as the music plays, we dance."

[Ranadiel Marius]

I believe we have Flemeth's birth year from World of Theda's as being a while after Andraste was killed. However that doesn't rule out the possibility that Andraste was a previous host of Mythal and Mythal came to Flemeth due to their similarities.

[Arakat]

The betrayal also repeats in Mythal's story: "She was betrayed as I was betrayed, as the world was betrayed".

[leaguer of one]

My theory is not that Flemeth was Andreste but the Mythral was Andraste. And Mythrial body jumped from Andreste's body to the body of Flemeth.

[Patchwork]

I subscribe to the theory that Flemeth is a descendant of Andraste and Andraster herself is OGB Dumat but I can easily see Morrigan getting petty revenge on her mother by using magic to ensure her baby is a boy. 

[Helmetto]

Morrigan is Flemeth's daughter yet she managed to have a son which would be impossible for someone descended from Andraste. 

 

I subscribe to the theory that Flemeth is a descendant of Andraste and Andraster herself is OGB Dumat but I can easily see Morrigan getting petty revenge on her mother by using magic to ensure her baby is a boy. 

 

How do we like... KNOW Morrigan was really Flemmeth's biological daughter? I always had the sense that she was taken as a baby or something ever since Origins.

[Ashagar]

Why would Mythral promote the worship of a ancient Neromenian/tevinter creator deity and with apparently great passion as Andraste did. I mean the maker like exists in some form given his eventual return has been prophesized but why would a ancient elven god care about a deity who is apparently so strongly pro-freewill he almost never intervenes in his creation.

[RawToast]

Why would Mythral promote the worship of a ancient Neromenian/tevinter creator deity and with apparently great passion as Andraste did. I mean the maker like exists in some form given his eventual return has been prophesized but why would a ancient elven god care about a deity who is apparently so strongly pro-freewill he almost never intervenes in his creation.

 

I could see it as a way to bring hope to those suffering under tevinters rule, and in turn gain more support in pushing their rule back and therefore freeing elven slaves. She doesn't necessarily have to believe it, or care. And the whole passion thing could just be Chantry propaganda.

 

I subscribe to the theory that Flemeth is a descendant of Andraste and Andraster herself is OGB Dumat but I can easily see Morrigan getting petty revenge on her mother by using magic to ensure her baby is a boy. 

 

I don't see how Morrigan ensuring her baby is a boy would be getting revenge on her mother. I'm mean, assuming she is descendant of andraste, she'd have to have knowledge of that. Which I very much doubt she does, otherwise she'd have brought it up. And even if she did know, how would that be revenge? I mean ??? What?

[Eliastion]

Why would Mythral promote the worship of a ancient Neromenian/tevinter creator deity and with apparently great passion as Andraste did. I mean the maker like exists in some form given his eventual return has been prophesized but why would a ancient elven god care about a deity who is apparently so strongly pro-freewill he almost never intervenes in his creation.

If we believe Chantry, Maker is anything but pro-freewill, really. I mean, he did take offense because people were worshiping anything other than him, didn't he?

Although I personally like the idea that Maker really doesn't give a damn about worship itself and he actually did take a liking to Andraste, but did it because she was praysinging for freedom for her people (and he couldn't care less that she was singing to some false/nonexistent/lesser gods)... I don't fancy the idea of all-powerful creator guy that just falls for some mortal chick because of her pretty voice.

Chantry presenting Maker as shallow, petty deity apparently too insecure in its godhood to accept the fact that people may prefer to pray to beings that actually do something for them on regular basis... not cool

[Monica21]

Morrigan is Flemeth's daughter yet she managed to have a son which would be impossible for someone descended from Andraste. 

 

Loghain's seed is strong. *wink wink*  (I'm sorry. I couldn't help myself.)

[Ashagar]

If we believe Chantry, Maker is anything but pro-freewill, really. I mean, he did take offense because people were worshiping anything other than him, didn't he?

Although I personally like the idea that Maker really doesn't give a damn about worship itself and he actually did take a liking to Andraste, but did it because she was praysinging for freedom for her people (and he couldn't care less that she was singing to some false/nonexistent/lesser gods)... I don't fancy the idea of all-powerful creator guy that just falls for some mortal chick because of her pretty voice.

Chantry presenting Maker as shallow, petty deity apparently too insecure in its godhood to accept the fact that people may prefer to pray to beings that actually do something for them on regular basis... not cool

 

Yes when you strip away the chantry's teaching and just go by the ancient Neromorian/Tevinter beliefs you get a god who created the world but in general doesn't interfere with the world.

 

When you do throw in the Andrastian/chantry beliefs to seems to me it wasn't the old gods worship as much more having to do with the tevinter dealings with demons especially the Forbidden Ones and blood magic that was truly offensive given they were called forbidden ones for a reason and blood magic harms and robs people of their free will.

[X Equestris]

Why would Mythral promote the worship of a ancient Neromenian/tevinter creator deity and with apparently great passion as Andraste did. I mean the maker like exists in some form given his eventual return has been prophesized but why would a ancient elven god care about a deity who is apparently so strongly pro-freewill he almost never intervenes in his creation.

The elves have a quasi-creator deity in the form of the Sun. Perhaps there is more overlap than we realize.

[leaguer of one]

How do we like... KNOW Morrigan was really Flemmeth's biological daughter? I always had the sense that she was taken as a baby or something ever since Origins.

Because they look the same. Seriously, they have the same bone structure, lips, eyes, and nose.

Look..

 

Even Kerin looks like the both of them.

[Patchwork]

I could see it as a way to bring hope to those suffering under tevinters rule, and in turn gain more support in pushing their rule back and therefore freeing elven slaves. She doesn't necessarily have to believe it, or care. And the whole passion thing could just be Chantry propaganda.

 

 

I don't see how Morrigan ensuring her baby is a boy would be getting revenge on her mother. I'm mean, assuming she is descendant of andraste, she'd have to have knowledge of that. Which I very much doubt she does, otherwise she'd have brought it up. And even if she did know, how would that be revenge? I mean ??? What?

 

Flemeth is known for having daughters, I didn't say it was good revenge I said it was petty. It's thumbing her nose at the woman who most likely planned and expected the OGB to be a girl. The OGB is something they discussed, it's one of the reasons Flemeth sent Morrigan with the wardens so she would have referred to the child as 'her'.

 

Flemeth expected a granddaughter so Morrigan made sure she got a grandson, it's a bit of rebellion without changing the plan.  

[leaguer of one]

If we believe Chantry, Maker is anything but pro-freewill, really. I mean, he did take offense because people were worshiping anything other than him, didn't he?

Although I personally like the idea that Maker really doesn't give a damn about worship itself and he actually did take a liking to Andraste, but did it because she was praysinging for freedom for her people (and he couldn't care less that she was singing to some false/nonexistent/lesser gods)... I don't fancy the idea of all-powerful creator guy that just falls for some mortal chick because of her pretty voice.

Chantry presenting Maker as shallow, petty deity apparently too insecure in its godhood to accept the fact that people may prefer to pray to beings that actually do something for them on regular basis... not cool

Don't even try that. The chartry is but one of the cults that came up after Andraste's death. How a dogma is isn't the will of the beings they worship.

[leaguer of one]

Why would Mythral promote the worship of a ancient Neromenian/tevinter creator deity and with apparently great passion as Andraste did. I mean the maker like exists in some form given his eventual return has been prophesized but why would a ancient elven god care about a deity who is apparently so strongly pro-freewill he almost never intervenes in his creation.

Why do you think she would care? Look were she is for the past 500 years. A witch is a swamp who does not care what she's called and does not care to even show her sell to the people who worshiped her.

[Patchwork]

Why do you think she would care? Look were she is for the past 500 years. A witch is a swamp who does not care what she's called and does not care to even show her sell to the people who worshiped her.

 

That's actually my biggest problem with the Andraste=Mythal theory why would Mythal care enough to join with Andraste and go on a campaign to defeat Tevinter? 

 

She seems very wrapped up in her own revenge scheme. 

[Koneko Koji]

Why would Mythral promote the worship of a ancient Neromenian/tevinter creator deity and with apparently great passion as Andraste did. I mean the maker like exists in some form given his eventual return has been prophesized but why would a ancient elven god care about a deity who is apparently so strongly pro-freewill he almost never intervenes in his creation.

 

Flemeth has said on a few occasions now that she acts when events need nudging - to what end?
She has so many names amongst different peoples, that I don't actually see that being an issue if her aim was to have all the peoples of Thedas worshipping her in some form or another; and if they subscribed to the idea that a Deity is as strong as the power given to them by their followers, then that's a lot of power.

[leaguer of one]

That's actually my biggest problem with the Andraste=Mythal theory why would Mythal care enough to join with Andraste and go on a campaign to defeat Tevinter? 

 

She seems very wrapped up in her own revenge scheme. 

The same reason why helping the warden, the champion, and the inquisitor. To suit her needs. She sees the forest, we see the trees.

[Ranadiel Marius]

How do we like... KNOW Morrigan was really Flemmeth's biological daughter? I always had the sense that she was taken as a baby or something ever since Origins.

Well if we are going to use that train of though, how do we know that Flemeth has any biological daughters at all?

 

 

Why would Mythral promote the worship of a ancient Neromenian/tevinter creator deity and with apparently great passion as Andraste did. I mean the maker like exists in some form given his eventual return has been prophesized but why would a ancient elven god care about a deity who is apparently so strongly pro-freewill he almost never intervenes in his creation.

Easy answer would be she didn't. My Inquisitor never claimed to have been sent by Andraste, but I have 0 doubts that centuries from now the Chantry will be preaching about the Herald of Andraste who was delivered by Andraste to help mankind in its darkest hour. It is not outside the realm of possibility that Ansraste did not preach about the maker and it is only after the fact that her connection to the Maker was established. Although I suppose that would raise the question of why someone chose to use the connect her to the Maker...

 

 

That's actually my biggest problem with the Andraste=Mythal theory why would Mythal care enough to join with Andraste and go on a campaign to defeat Tevinter? 

 

She seems very wrapped up in her own revenge scheme. 

One theory is that Andraste was the original god baby, and based on what we have seen from Kieran, OGBs seem to be in control, not the old gods. So if we go with that version of the Andraste=Mythal theory, then Mythal didn't choose to join with Andraste, but Mythal probably gave Andraste a power up that allowed Andraste to perform her quest.

[Brockololly]

How do we like... KNOW Morrigan was really Flemmeth's biological daughter? I always had the sense that she was taken as a baby or something ever since Origins.

 

Explain the yellow eyes if Morrigan isn't Flemeth's biological daughter.

 

 

I guess that's another lore question- what's up with Flemeth/Morrigan/Yavana's yellow eyes?

[Reznore57]

 

 

 

I guess that's another lore question- what's up with Flemeth/Morrigan/Yavana's yellow eyes?

 

Abelas , one of the elves in Mythal temple also had yellow eyes.

Probably related to dragons somehow.

[Ashagar]

It could just be to show how special they are Amber is a rare eye natural color in humans though not as rare as red Violet or Black in humans.