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[Julmor]

Ive replayed Inquisition several times. Ive still sort of struggled with how my main "Canon" storyline should play out. It mostly surrounds around the ending to origins and whether or not I shjould agree to Morrigans ritual.

On one hand, I find it hard for my character to fully support Morrigans ritual, especially considering how vague her motives are. I also like that my romance with Morrigans get a bittersweet ending when I refuse the ritual (Especially after the reunion in Witch Hunt).

On the other hand, I LOVE Loghain, and I really like to see him end up as commander of Grey Wardens in Inquisition.

But If I wanna do that without the ritual I have to sacrifice my own character (which is a big no no). Stroud also make for a poor Loghain/Alistair replacement in Inquisition (The only thing memorable about him is his moustasche).

 

What are you guys reasons for accepting/Refusing the ritual?

 

[Korva]

Simple. I saw the Calling trailer before the game was released, and was floored -- that sort of heroic last stand, in the dark, alone but unflinching, really struck a note with me, and I hoped the game would offer me something similar. When Riordan revealed the grim price for killing an archdemon, I knew for a fact that he would try but fail since he's not the protagonist, so it'd be up to Alistair or myself. And while the Calling trailer was awesome, being one of only five people to ever end a Blight was an even better way to say goodbye to my Warden. She was, in a way, always meant to die even before I knew that the game would allow it. So I threw her at the archdemon and didn't regret it for a moment. There's no other ending I could ever choose.

 

Also, I loathe the thought of letting a friend (Alistair) die in my place. I like playing "heroic" characters, and what hero hides behind another's death? Sparing Loghain was never even an option for me.  Similarly, I utterly despise Morrigan like few other characters ever, saw not a single redeeming feature in her through the game, and thus would never have listened to her -- much less gambled for the safety of the world on her say-so.

[Br3admax]

Dark Ritual, easy choice.

 

Get laid. Have magical son. Cure Calling. No drawbacks whatsoever apparent. Really no reason not to. 

 

It's a win-win for whoever's involved.

[Rekkampum]

I did both. DR is my canon since my City Elf Warden is madly in love with her. I do headcanon that Kieran looks more like his dad though. Of course, going into the Eluvian with her was also pretty nice. I personally liked having Loghain as my Warden ally because he had such an interesting history and it was great seeing how he'd evolved as a character. But yeah, it's all up to taste really.

[Ser Kilroy]

I did both but my main one will always be the ultimate sacrifice whether Its me or loghain, i can never bring myself to let Alistair die. Seeing what happens with the OGB  in DAI puts my mind at ease tho alittle.

[riverbanks]

Sacrifice. I don't have to order Alistair or Loghain to submit themselves to non-con with a shady witch they despise, my Warden gets to die a big damn hero and have her armor displayed in the Weisshaupt archives near Garahel's and all the other Wardens who paid the ultimate price for Thedas' sake, Kieran doesn't exist so Morrigan is still fun and crazier than ever, her relationship with Flemeth is much more interesting without the kid getting in their way, Solas doesn't get to nom-nom-nom on Urthemiel's soul, Loghain gets to die a big damn hero ten years later too, the Calling is not getting cured just like that anyway... it's win-win all around for me.

[thesuperdarkone2]

LOL everyone who chose sacrifice died for nothing. Choose DR. You get a way better scene with Flemeth and your Warden and Alistair or Loghain get to live with the choice not backfiring. 

[GreenFireCats3]

Definitely sacrifice. I didn't know what was coming in my very first PT but when the time came I didn't hesitate - I couldn't let my man (Alistair) die for me could I?!

 

Of course I didn't enjoying dying alone so I reloaded and tried two other options: watching Alistair die or watching him go to bed with another woman. The former broke my heart and the latter was intolerable (Letting Loghain join was something neither I nor Alistair wanted.) So in my canon world setting the HoF is dead as a doornail. Sigh. At least that means I got to see warden Alistair again in DAI   (and this time I still couldn't watch him die so poor Hawke...  I'm so sorry Varric!!)

[Eliastion]

Definitely sacrifice. I didn't know what was coming in my very first PT but when the time came I didn't hesitate - I couldn't let my man (Alistair) die for me could I?!

 

Of course I didn't enjoying dying alone so I reloaded and tried two other options: watching Alistair die or watching him go to bed with another woman. The former broke my heart and the latter was intolerable (Letting Loghain join was something neither I nor Alistair wanted.) So in my canon world setting the HoF is dead as a doornail. Sigh. At least that means I got to see warden Alistair again in DAI   (and this time I still couldn't watch him die so poor Hawke...  I'm so sorry Varric!!)

Didn't you have to leave "your man" out of the final Archdemon battle if you wanted him to live? Afaik if you have romanced Alistair with you and didn't tkake DR, the choice of who dies is NOT yours... Which is a nice touch, btw, the price of victory being not what the "oh, I won't  take part in this sacrilegious ritual" expected...

And, basically, despite generally taking DR myself, I kinda regret that Bioware actually put it there. The game would've been so epic if you HAD to sacrifice yourself, your friend or that bastard you didn't-let-live-on-principle-but-well-now-live*-with-your-choice

*Or die, that's the point

 

Basically, I do the ritual since not doing it can be explained only by deathwish or morrigan-paranoia (the latter perfectly understandable depending on your relationship with Morrigan, but usually not my warden's thing) but it's such a cheat - easy way out where a sacrifice should be required...

[Uccio]

DR, the only option. Seriously, was there any doubt? Freedom baby! (And a goddess called Morrigan).

[KaiserShep]

Dark Ritual of course. Not a hard choice for my Warden to get her good buddy Alistair to yank them both out of the suicide run. And so far it seemed to work out pretty well.

[AWTEW]

Ultimate Sacrifice, because its cool..and DR is so mainstream..

[Korva]

And, basically, despite generally taking DR myself, I kinda regret that Bioware actually put it there. The game would've been so epic if you HAD to sacrifice yourself, your friend or that bastard you didn't-let-live-on-principle-but-well-now-live*-with-your-choice

*Or die, that's the point

 

Basically, I do the ritual since not doing it can be explained only by deathwish or morrigan-paranoia (the latter perfectly understandable depending on your relationship with Morrigan, but usually not my warden's thing) but it's such a cheat - easy way out where a sacrifice should be required...

 

Yep. Bioware usually gives us a way too smooth ride with very little choices that actually matter in terms of (especially negative) consequences, even fewer losses, and essentially no actual sacrifice. Mind, I'm very much NOT one of the people who scream, "If your game isn't inescapably grimmedarque from start to finish, it's infantile and stupid!". But I do want some gutpunches in my games because "smooth sailing, universal adoration and perfect happy ending" makes me roll my eyes, too. I like a good, well-written character death, be it a companion or my own.

[Eliastion]

Well, I wouldn't generalize about smooth ride, especially in Origins - the good guy in Orzammar makes for terrible king, preserving Anvil of the Void (invaluable tool for dwarves hard-pressed by Darkspawn) brings forth Lyrium-infused mind-slaves, dalish boon creates a very unstable situation, mage's boon isn't too effective, city elf boon in most cases pretty much backfires, werewolves succumb to their wild side again, helping brother burkel leads to conflict between Orzammar and Chantry, helping Dagna potentially too by leading to creation underground (literally) Circle with no templars and easy access to Lyrium...

So no, I won't say that we get a smooth ride. But I still think the story would be better if sacrifice was necessary 

[Korva]

The thing is, none of that affects us. If anyone suffers from our decisions, it's "just" other people, and that doesn't count. If making bad, selfish or flat-out mwah-hah-hah-evil-is-k3wl-and-you-can't-stop-me choices actually cost us allies, status, opportunities, a better ending or indeed forced us to sacrifice something we actually care for, including our own life, it would mean a lot more.

[Abelas Forever!]

When I'm romancing Alistair then I persuade him to do the DR because I want my warden and him to have future together. There are various reasons I can make up for my warden to agree on persuading Alistair to do it. For example if my warden and Morrigan are good friends then she can agree on DR because she wants to help her. Why wouldn't my warden do a favor to her friend? My warden can also be a little bit naive so when Morrigan talks to her and how important it's to do it then it can confuse my warden and she can agree on it because Morrigan can talk very persuasive.

 

Even though I want a future to my warden and Alistair it doesn't mean that I want the ending to be all happiness and nothing bad will happen in the future ever again. Actually the ending is not that happy because it was just a while ago when DR happened and it still overshadows my victory over the archdemon. I guess the whole sacrifice thing just don't interest me. I see no point in that. I guess I'm not interested in playing the ultimate hero who saves the world by sacrificing herself. I think a game can be dark without a sacrifice of you or your companions and those themes interests me more than actually sacrificing somebody.

[GreenClover]

 Choose DR. You get a way better scene with Flemeth 

Arguable. I liked summoning Mythal (non-DR playtrough) way better than all that drama with Kieran and Flemeth. Yeah, Morrigan is a good mother who cares for her son, I get it, no need to throw it at me like this. That scene is the main reason I'm going to choose the sacrifice from now on.

[Rekkampum]

Arguable. I liked summoning Mythal (non-DR playtrough) way better than all that drama with Kieran and Flemeth. Yeah, Morrigan is a good mother who cares for her son, I get it, no need to throw it at me like this. That scene is the main reason I'm going to choose the sacrifice from now on.

 

 

The fact that she's changed so much is probably what makes that moment touching.

 

Fun fact: Kieran is voiced by Black's son. Thought that was cute.

[Colonelkillabee]

I couldn't let my man (Alistair) die for me could I?!

That's what we're here for

[GreenClover]

The fact that she's changed so much is probably what makes that moment touching.

I didn't find it that very touching, probably because I expected her to act like this. Of course she's changed, it's been 10 years, and I have no doubt that she loves her son since it's only normal, that's what most mothers do. I didn't need that "No don't take my son take me instead!" scene to see that Morrigan grew up and changed her views on certain matters. 

[GreenFireCats3]

The fact that she's changed so much is probably what makes that moment touching.

 

I just find the "becoming a mother changes you drastically" thing rather cliche. Another reason not to choose DR in my canon setting.

 

Plus - am I the only one who sees Kieran as monstrously overgrown for his age?? He can't be older than 9 (and sounds like it) but looks at least 15. That really bothers me. (And have you guys noticed how children are utterly absent in Thedas?)

[Eliastion]

I just find the "becoming a mother changes you drastically" thing rather cliche. Another reason not to choose DR in my canon setting.

 

Plus - am I the only one who sees Kieran as monstrously overgrown for his age?? He can't be older than 9 (and sounds like it) but looks at least 15. That really bothers me. (And have you guys noticed how children are utterly absent in Thedas?)

Well, it's more like "10 years can change a person". She spent 1/3 of her lifetime out of that goddamned forest, away from her as-witchy-as-it-gets mother, raising a child and possibly in caring relation with someone not quite fitting the "let's use who we can and kill the rest" approach*

If a wild child raised in a forest by a strange old hag would still be the same child after 10 years combined with responsibility for someone other than her own ass - now THAT would be pretty strange...

 

*ok, there were some flaws in her writing so it sometimes comes off as "lets kill who we can and use the rest", but I assume the former was intended

 

EDIT:

And as for children - their absence could have something to do with how "well" Kieran's model turned out I don't know about overgrown (he would be an awfuly short 15yo) but he's REALLY creepy even without talking. Anyone calling him "just a normal boy" (and I'm pretty sure someone said just that) is either blind or lying.

[Ieldra]

I chose the ritual with all but one of my Wardens. Reasons (differently weighted for different Wardens):
 

(1) The DR outcome is plainly more interesting than the sacrifice

(2) I am somewhat allergic against the heroic sacrifice trope since it's all too often used for heavy-handed moralizing.

(3) I find it fundamentally desirable that a human takes ownership of some powers formerly reserved for the gods. Too bad about the reversal.

(4) It is what Morrigan wants.

[Ecol-i]

In my playthrough of DAO and DA2, which I had to play twice actually since I lost my original xbox with all my saved files, my Dalish elf romanced Alistair and chose the DR, wanted them to remain together as Wardens (unaware that I had to face the most difficult choice of the entire trilogy come DAI because of that decision)... it was was worth it nevertheless, I really like my silver tounged but extremely polite theif Warden so I couldn't just throw her at the Archdemon like that, think of poor Alistair ); Regardless though, and this is why I consider the keep a blessing, I'll create a new world with those few changes; DA2 will stay pretty much the same though.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

duel loghain yourself

Make Alistair king with Anora

Loghain becomes grey warden

 

then you can either sac him and let him get a stab at glory or your warden

Both are pretty interesting

 

King Alistair watching Anora cry over her father but still disgusted that the HoF 'betrayed' him and let loghain live

Or King Alistair sad that the HoF died and upset that the HoF let Loghain live.