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[Qun00]

The decision is easy to understand if you're playing a character that never wanted to be a Grey Warden, but hard to justify for one who has embraced that life.

Even the idea that only the Hero can rebuild the Order in Ferelden is flawed.

Yes, Alistair is king and Riordan is dead but are we to believe the Grey Wardens wouldn't care enough to transfer some members from elsewhere?

[Aren]

The decision is easy to understand if you're playing a character that never wanted to be a Grey Warden

My Warden fall in this category,still i believe that give this power to Morrigan as well as use another being (an infant) just to save an adult skin was not worth it.

[Ieldra]

It's not the outcome that appeals to many Bioware fans. It's the journey.

Sure. Yet, if an outcome appears to negate the validity of a choice, then that will affect how you feel about that choice retroactively. That's why balanced outcomes exist, even though they open the earlier decision to the accusation that they didn't matter.

[Aren]

I would have loved an ascension achievement for DAO

I way to use the theme of faith into the first game.

Basically the guardian would have gifted the Warden with the Andraste's ashes,the warden ready to give up her/his life for Thedas would have been saved mysteriously,while at the same time the Urn would have disappeared,it would have been a very powerful ending who would have left the player in contemplation of the existence of the Maker.

[Ieldra]

I would have loved an ascension achievement for DAO

I way to use the theme of faith into the first game.

Basically the guardian would have gifted the Warden with the Andraste's ashes,the warden ready to give up her/his life for Thedas would have been saved mysteriously,while at the same time the Urn would have disappeared,it would have been a very powerful ending who would have left the player in contemplation of the existence of the Maker.

There's already too much religion in these stories for my taste. DAI handled the faith theme reasonably well, but I wouldn't want other games to follow in its footsteps. Bad enough to be regarded as a religious figure in a faith you dislike. And rather than the Maker, I would've contemplated the power of people's beliefs in a world where they can manifest literally in a magical dimension. No need to invoke miracles when magic does just as well as an explanation.

[German Soldier]

 

Likewise. "In death, sacrifice" is what makes the Wardens stand out as a group. How rare is it in a computer game that there is actually a price to pay for the powers handed out like they're free candy on Halloween? As someone who always craves for a story to be something different from the usual powertrip without consequences or accountability, I'd loathe for the Calling to be cured because that would invalidate the whole premise of the Wardens, the one interesting thing about them. A good character death can be a very powerful storytelling experience, and that is what the sacrifice was for me. Emotional, but not tragic. Immensely satisfying.
 

 

 

It was beautiful to read this post,because those are the things in which i believe,be a group,be ready to do everything for the nation,yes even the sacrifice and beyond.

(otherwise i will have not even be part of the academy here in Germany,oh well sooner i will not be around here into the forum after summer.)

What i saw with the DR ending was truly despicable for my tastes,i'm referring to the post coronation.

Basically the wardens of the others nation,included the most important hierarchy such as the First warden or the various commanders send questions,and what the Warden and or Alistair do?

They will be forced to lie to their comrades of the others nations, to the entire order for the rest of their life just to protect the doing of a witch?!!!

I take that the warden recruit with a similar approach,still they do this in the interest of the continent not  because they enjoy this,and often they conscript only people who are  skilled and have some training or people who ar already doomed (like some Origins)

To lie to the higher hierarchy as well as the entire order!

I take it that most people don't cares about this,but as i strongly believe in camaraderie and as a person who already despise to lie to others or being deceived from others this is not even an option.

I don't believe that most people here know what is the meaning to belong to a

military force/group,perish the thought that i would do something similar in my career.

Deceive  everyone,what kind of order could stand up as a group if members start to deceive each other?!? 

Lie to everyone to protect Morrigan's secret No deal , she isn't worth

my warden's integrity.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Deceive  everyone,what kind of order could stand up as a group if members start to deceive each other?!? 

 

 

Grey wardens? I mean they from get go deliberately refuse share with very important informations about being grey warden. 

[Qun00]

Grey wardens? I mean they from get go deliberately refuse share with very important informations about being grey warden.

It's only kept a secret from non-members. No Grey Warden is ignorant of their fate.

[Arshei]

Is hard to decide.

If you want more interaction the dark ritual is the best option.

But if the warden is "good", you never want a witch with a old god baby

[TheKomandorShepard]

It's only kept a secret from non-members. No Grey Warden is ignorant of their fate.

From their recruits until it is too late ,so yeah i wouldn't say grey wardens are found on trust and honesty considering they screw over their recruits from get go.   

 

 

Is hard to decide.

If you want more interaction the dark ritual is the best option.

But if the warden is "good", you never want a witch with a old god baby

Not rly once again "good" warden can do DR as any other warden i don't see why warden would have to see morrigan with baby as evil. 

[Arshei]

From their recruits until it is too late ,so yeah i wouldn't say grey wardens are found on trust and honesty considering they screw over their recruits from get go.   

 

 

Not rly once again "good" warden can do DR as any other warden i don't see why warden would have to see morrigan with baby as evil. 

 

You see "good" give a old god soul to a witch?

Morrigan has a plan, if you play Witch hunt she says the boy is "prepared" for something.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You see "good" give a old god soul to a witch?

Morrigan has a plan, if you play Witch hunt she says the boy is "prepared" for something.

What i see is irrelevant what wardens can see is revelant ,the warden can see this witch as friend or even beloved.

That morrigan had a plan doesn't mean it was evil plan ,for certain she didn't raise kid on evil overlord in dai.

[thesuperdarkone2]

It's not the outcome that appeals to many Bioware fans. It's the journey.

The Mass Effect 3 ending outrage says otherwise.

[Arshei]

What i see is irrelevant what wardens can see is revelant ,the warden can see this witch as friend or even beloved.

That morrigan had a plan doesn't mean it was evil plan ,for certain she didn't raise kid for an evil overlord in dai.

 

We dont know nothing about Morrigan, maybe she is lying.

She is manipulative and cruel, she only join to the inquisition for her benefits, Morrigan would never help anyone if she do not get anything for her.

[TheKomandorShepard]

We dont know nothing about Morrigan, maybe she is lying.

She is manipulative and cruel, she only join to the inquisition for her benefits, Morrigan would never help anyone if she do not get anything for her.

We know quite about morrigan as we can spend a lot of time with her, and we know for certain that she cares for the warden if friend or lover ,same for kid.

In the end she did nothing bad with kid.

[Arshei]

We know quite about morrigan as we can spend a lot of time with her, and we know for certain that she cares for the warden if friend or lover ,same for kid.

In the end she did nothing bad with kid.

 

Maybe not yet...

[Yaroub]

You see "good" give a old god soul to a witch?

 

If you trust Morrigan(in case of L.I), sure why not, this kid in the end is your kid, and the OGB is cleansed from taint, And you get to open new possibilities for wardens in their fight against the old gods, you survive and so is Alistair or Loghain.

 

Wardens after all aren't known for not experimenting, they always take chances, the ritual could be seen as duty towards the order.

 

 

Morrigan has a plan, if you play Witch hunt she says the boy is "prepared" for something.

 

Well yeah it's a shame we didn't have the chance to see what was her intent for the OGB, Flemeth had it her way in the end.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Maybe not yet...

 

What is pure speculation on your part ,she didn't plan to hurt child as she cared for him, nor that she raised him on bad guy.

[Qun00]

I agree with most arguments against the DR.

Yes, it isn't a risk a true Grey Warden would be willing to take as it was impossible to predict the consequences at that point in time.

And yes, it does potentially breed distrust in the Order as secrecy often does. You've done something that contradicts the old lore and they will never know how you did it.

But that reunion with Flemeth in the scenario where Kieran has the OGB really sold it for me. Just brilliantly done.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I agree with most arguments against the DR.

Yes, it isn't a risk a true Grey Warden would be willing to take as it was impossible to predict the consequences at that point in time.

And yes, it does potentially breed distrust in the Order as secrecy often does. You've done something that contradicts the old lore and they will never know how you did it.

But that reunion with Flemeth in the scenario where Kieran has the OGB really sold it for me. Just brilliantly done.

 

In your opinion this is what "true grey" warden would do you forgot to point.So as it was impossible to predict consequences of what will happen when all old gods will die at this point.

 

As i said if something breed distrust in order it would be that they screw over their recruits from get go ,also from what i recall the warden can opt for saying truth and we don't know if the warden told them or not.  

[Aren]

There are many reasonable motives to reject the ritual and most of all i believe that were already analyzed.

For my Warden it was mostly a matter of haughty pride,just like Morrigan and even more my Warden(king) will not bow his head for anyone,no matter the reward.

My Warden is not a means to an end or a Morrigan obedient tool.

[Secret Rare]

We know quite about morrigan as we can spend a lot of time with her, and we know for certain that she cares for the warden if friend or lover ,same for kid.

In the end she did nothing bad with kid.

Komandor,i couldn't care less of Morrigan personal feeling when it comes on matters of world security.

The soul of an old god is extremely powerful and it possess is autonomy/will as we saw from DAI it was that thing that transformed Kieran and altered his behaviour.

Morrigan failed in her mission,it doesn't matter on how you wish to see things,the cold facts are that she lost that soul and that she doesn't know Flemeth plans.

A GW who allowed her to have that soul is irresponsible and fact of DAI proves me right,because she failed  badly, out of pride not out of circumstances.

it was not Flemeth who found her,it was her who fallen into Flemeth hands like an oblivious moron because of pride i didn't trust her wisdom and i was right.

see the quest what pride had wrought is an allegorical title that basically explain on how stupid Solas,Corypheus and Morrigan were

Also for someone like you who consider mages and demons as dangerous in general i'm still surprised to see such a benevolent attitude towards the old gods.

These things  call the darkspawn(who are forced to search them) and become AD,these things are the cause of the infamous calling who affect the GW and make them insane.

 

In your opinion this is what "true grey" warden would do you forgot to point.So as it was impossible to predict consequences of what will happen when all old gods will die at this point.

 

 

Are you really talking like Solas.......?

It doesn't make sense ,just because a speculation of what will happen when the last old god will die

(how much time 2000 years into the future? When Theodosian will have spaceships?)

will create (maybe,maybe,probably) some problem you save

this one into this DA and gave it to Flemeth?

This is absurd.

[Secret Rare]

Is hard to decide.

If you want more interaction the dark ritual is the best option.

But if the warden is "good", you never want a witch with a old god baby

i will not say good,i will say intelligent.

My warden was not so good,she sacrificed Loghain and insulted  him in his last moment of life.

But i do consider her as intelligent for have rejected a ritual who would have allowed Flemeth to have everything.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Komandor,i couldn't care less of Morrigan personal feeling when it comes on matters of world security.

The soul of an old god is extremely powerful and it possess is autonomy/will as we saw from DAI it was that thing that transformed Kieran and altered his behaviour.

Morrigan failed in her mission,it doesn't matter on how you wish to see things,the cold facts are that she lost that soul and that she doesn't know Flemeth plans.

A GW who allowed her to have that soul is irresponsible and fact of DAI proves me right,because she failed  badly, out of pride not out of circumstances.

it was not Flemeth who found her,it was her who fallen into Flemeth hands like an oblivious moron because of pride i didn't trust her wisdom and i was right.

see the quest what pride had wrought is an allegorical title that basically explain on how stupid Solas,Corypheus and Morrigan were

Also for someone like you who consider mages and demons as dangerous in general i'm still surprised to see such a benevolent attitude towards the old gods.

These things  call the darkspawn(who are forced to search them) and become AD,these things are the cause of the infamous calling who affect the GW and make them insane.

 

Are you really talking like Solas.......?

It doesn't make sense ,just because a speculation of what will happen when the last old god will die

(how much time 2000 years into the future? When Theodosian will have spaceships?)

will create (maybe,maybe,probably) some problem you save

this one into this DA and gave it to Flemeth?

This is absurd.

 

 

Said it 5000 times and you still grasp to comprehend it ,that you don't trust morrigan doesn't mean that everyone doesn't trust morrigan.And?

Once again where i said she didn't?As you don't know flemeth plans.

Not rly, once again how warden perceives morrigan is warden personal matter , morrigan proved she could evade flemeth by doing it successfully for more than decade and it were circumstances not pride that doomed her even if she doesn't drink from the well flemeth still finds her because inquisitor did.So pretty much even if she didn't want to drink from the well she would be screwd by virtue she joined inquisition.

That i don't trust mages doesn't mean my character have to think the same , as i said i wouldn't trust morrigan with it personally but doesn't mean my characters have to think and feel the same as me.In first place as i said many times you don't preserve an old god only its soul so well good luck for darkspawn to corrupt an old god where there is no old god there.        

 

 

In that matter yep, even without solas it is serious question what will happen with darkspawn when last archdemon is killed and they will stop hearing their song and search for an old gods.Yep ,it is speculation but same as is that whole dark ritual will end badly ,also pretty much only 2 old gods left for darkspawn to corrupt so as well last archdemon may die a few hundred years later.And you don't give it to flemeth the warden gives it to morrigan.  

 

 

[SgtSteel91]

Thinking about it, my Cousland resented being forced to poison himself to become a Warden and only cared about getting revenge. But he found a reason to live because of the romance with Morrigan and after the Dark Ritual took his role as a Grey Warden seriously because he now has a family he wants to protect.