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That doesn't disqualify the fact that with the DR you trusted someone who failed, she lost it in flavor of Flemeth because of pride not of circumstances like you claimed,she want to drink from the well so badly to the point that she is even ready to kill Abelas for it,her fault not the Inquisitor who is completely innocent in this case,the Inq doesn't even know what the boy is .
I believe that the old god soul is the only thing necessary to create an archdemon the AD bodies can be recreated with the one of a darkspawn but i don't believe that Flemeth will be so crazy to create the AD .


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That doesn't disqualify the fact that with the DR you trusted someone who failed

 

Not to destroy some expectation here,but i strongly believe that Morrigan never failed in anything,as she was from the very beginning a puppet in FLemeth hands.
As i said somewhere else Morrigan comically misunderstanded the meaning of the dark ritual,she tought, and wrongly so, that the soul of an old god could have been used to create some destiny based on the hyper assumption that it was meant to develop some sort of super-mage.
The only function of the dark ritual was to defend Urthemiel and restore his consciousness by removing the taint from the AD essence.
Souls are not forced against their will(this work in favor of the old god as well),Kieran woud have nerver been capable to use the old god powers,because they were powers that belonged to Urthemiel not to him,so Morrigan was leaded by a false premise and by lack of knowledge about the nature of souls.
Urthemiel soul wanted to met and go to FLemeth/Mythal,it was his decision there was nothing that Morrigan could have done to stop him,so stop saying that FLEmeth stole something as i strongly believe that Flemeth never stole anything,Urthemie l decided to go to her.
Morrigan was simply deceived from her mother since the start of her adventure in DAO,that's imho is very sad..
So i take into account Morrigan accusation towards FLemeth to not have been a mother at all,but just someone who used her daughter.
Flemeth is of course very clever in defending herself from accusation, so she simply pointed out that Morrigan have done the same with her son,i see i lot of irony in that scene...

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The only function of the dark ritual was to defend Urthemiel and restore his consciousness by removing the taint from the AD essence.
 

Flemeth is the only character who give to me the impression to be capable to control destiny thanks of her beautiful mind and her powers.



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Flemeth is the only character who give to me the impression to be capable to control destiny thanks of her beautiful mind and her powers.

If you consider the events that surround thedas you can see that Flemeth influenced many events:
-Who decided on purpose to take The Warden?
 
-Who putted a disgraced warrior named Calenad into power and allow him to create a dynasty and unite a nation? 
 
-Who created Yavana and made her a force of nature in Antiva?
 
-Who saved Maric and used him for  the Queen Dragon?
 
-Who saved an old god?
 
-And the champion of Kirkwall?
 
Flemeth, always the same name.
Do you wonder of why she was capable to save always the right person?
Do you trully believe that it was always luck?! No!
One of Mythal possibility is the foresight to a certain degree,like that statue Eleni  Zinova (or whatever).
SHe saved those persons becuase she knew that they couldn't fail and that she could have used them
 
Flemeth helped but also used:
The Warden for an old god in exchange of one life
Calenhad to defeat the many clans in exchange of ancient dragon blood
Maric help the Queen dragon in exchange of help for the rebellion
Yavana ??? the predilection daughter
Hawke help to return into life  help to escape from the blight in exchange of
Morrigan knowledge of the dark ritual in exchange of the old god

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That doesn't disqualify the fact that with the DR you trusted someone who failed, she lost it in flavor of Flemeth because of pride not of circumstances like you claimed,she want to drink from the well so badly to the point that she is even ready to kill Abelas for it,her fault not the Inquisitor who is completely innocent in this case,the Inq doesn't even know what the boy is .
I believe that the old god soul is the only thing necessary to create an archdemon the AD bodies can be recreated with the one of a darkspawn but i don't believe that Flemeth will be so crazy to create the AD .

 

No it doesn't, but it isn't revelant because warden didn't know that.Also once again nope, because as i said even if she didn't want to drink from the well and was modest it wouldn't change that flemeth would find her then regardless of that if she drink from it or not as we can see ,her pride just made her look like a fool ,either way inquisitor was forced to obtain knowledge from the well in order to learn how kill Corypheus morrigan just gave him an option to avoid him doing it himself.I doubt that ,he doesn't even seem to emit song in fact as apparently when near old god song is audible and can be heard.



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well in order to learn how kill Corypheus morrigan just gave him an option to avoid him doing it himself.I doubt that ,he doesn't even seem to emit song in fact as apparently when near old god song is audible and can be heard.

This thing of the well of sorrow to be mandatory for someone has never convinced me. 
I believe that the quest was poorly done from the developers part,because with Abelas there was no need to use the well and enslaved themselves just to know that little info,the party is there to know on how to defeat the magister,but why no one asked the question to Abelas is beyond me.......and yes Abelas is an high priest of Mythal he have the same knowledge of the well of sorrow.
so use the well of sorrow only to defeat Corypheus seems too contrived
As for the old gods i don't see them as a threat anymore , apparently lyrium is like kryptonite for them.


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This thing of the well of sorrow to be mandatory for someone has never convinced me. 
I believe that the quest was poorly done from the developers part,because with Abelas there was no need to use the well and enslaved themselves just to know that little info,the party is there to know on how to defeat the magister,but why no one asked the question to Abelas is beyond me.......and yes Abelas is an high priest of Mythal he have the same knowledge of the well of sorrow.
so use the well of sorrow only to defeat Corypheus seems too contrived
As for the old gods i don't see them as a threat anymore , apparently lyrium is like kryptonite for them.

 

I belive we had that discussion.

We don't know as i said before if Abelas knew it or not ,but pretty much when inquisitor said he needs it to destroy coryphues he outright says he doesn't care about corypheus so that is for his help.And that abelas is high priest doesn't mean he has same knowledge as Mythal ,and once again nor he was willing to share with it to help you.On side note i would love to get option to destroy well even if it resulted in bad ending.Rly ,that is interesting is that in codex because i may have missed it.    



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Flemeth is the only character who give to me the impression to be capable to control destiny thanks of her beautiful mind and her powers.

I'm not sure I'd call her mind "beautiful", but she is indeed the only character in DA who shows attributes you might call godlike somewhat convincingly. She has the knowledge, the perspective and the attitude, if what we see is genuine, and her writers and her voice actress managed to convey those well. One does wonder if she's really dead. It would be a shame.



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I'm not sure I'd call her mind "beautiful", but she is indeed the only character in DA who shows attributes you might call godlike somewhat convincingly. She has the knowledge, the perspective and the attitude, if what we see is genuine, and her writers and her voice actress managed to convey those well. One does wonder if she's really dead. It would be a shame.

I wonder how different will be Solas in the new Dlc,i have the feeling that he never showed his true nature until now,a trickster like he was depicted by the Dalish legends.
His voice in the trailer seems different.
and i don't take the whole "i gave the Orb to Corypheus because i was too weak"
is too contrived i believe that there is more than that,maybe he will tell the truth  in the Dlc


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Ive replayed Inquisition several times. Ive still sort of struggled with how my main "Canon" storyline should play out. It mostly surrounds around the ending to origins and whether or not I shjould agree to Morrigans ritual.

On one hand, I find it hard for my character to fully support Morrigans ritual, especially considering how vague her motives are. I also like that my romance with Morrigans get a bittersweet ending when I refuse the ritual (Especially after the reunion in Witch Hunt).

On the other hand, I LOVE Loghain, and I really like to see him end up as commander of Grey Wardens in Inquisition.

But If I wanna do that without the ritual I have to sacrifice my own character (which is a big no no). Stroud also make for a poor Loghain/Alistair replacement in Inquisition (The only thing memorable about him is his moustasche).

 

What are you guys reasons for accepting/Refusing the ritual?

For me I think it depends on the character you're roleplaying. My previous 2 wardens both did the ritual in order to stay alive and ride off into the sunset with Leliana as both were in love with her. My last warden which I recently finished playing did not do the ritual and chose to sacrifice herself  because being from a casteless background she felt her death would have moer meaning if she died in a heroic manner sacrificing herself in order to save Ferelden and that fighting the Archdemon was the perfect way to go. She did it also to encourage her people the dwarves a reason to treat casteless people with more respect she hoped at least that's the impact her death would have.



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that you don't trust morrigan doesn't mean that everyone doesn't trust morrigan.

 

 

 

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You have brought an interesting point here,still i must confess that i fail to grasp if you trust or mistrust Morrigan as a player,and if the former ,where did this trust came from?(this is also a question valid for everyone)
However I still remain firmly of the opinion that trust Morrigan is something that players do in personal perception and without relying on any in game event or evidence,just faith on a personal level,and faith is something that is out of the equation for my Warden when it comes to the security of an entire continent,my Warden  rely on faith for trivial things like buy an apple or a potato to the greengrocer in the sense that i trust that they are not poisoned. 
I like to use fragments of informations and use proofs that are corroborated by the game rather than relying on just personal perception that may vary based on the Warden that is created and interpreted,because that's what they are in the end,actors that we can shape to create different stories .
What i have to bring  on the table for the final response over Morrigan for my canon Warden?

Simply the fact that distrust over Morrigan is constructed with in game evidences/informations and is not coming just from personal perspective(case of trusting her) .

  • Morrigan lie at the very beginning when the Warden is still confused on FLemeth's bed in their hut.
    When the Warden ask the way in which Flemeth took the dog,Alistair and the Warden from that tower,she say that Flemeth transformed herself into a giant bird,it was not a bird it was an high dragon,an unexpected surprise of which we have to face later without being warned by Morrigan                       I do believe that Morrigan who was raised by Flemeth at that age knew that her mother was capable to become an High Dragon.I do believe that Flemeth never took the form of a giant bird the only creature to be big enough to do it was an High dragon not a bird.This may seems to be trivial as a lie and not particularly noteworthy,however it carries an heavy weight during Flemeth final confrontation in DAO,of whom i will discuss later.
  • Flemeth ask to Morrigan to join the Warden and Morrigan obey to her mother reluctantly or falsely reluctantly.
    You may think that Morrigan is not genuinely ready to follow the Warden so quickly just because Flemeth demanded so,however as she clearly stated at the very end of the game and in the Dlc (quote "this true i deceived you") she and her mother prepared this from the very beginning,this means that FLemeth, gave to Morrigan the possibility to agree to the plan.

    Morrigan accepted willingly,she was not forced by FLemeth,and she was already prepared to follow the warden,this means that i'm more inclined to believe that she was falsely reluctantly just to deceive Alistair and the Warden.

     

  • During FLemeth quest she lie to the Warden under the specific question:
    "why your mother sent you here if she want your body?"
    She answer with a lie aggravated of the fact that was padded with a potential half truth
    Morrigan answer: " i don't know, [pause to think something to trick the warden] maybe she wish to prepare in peace a ritual that will allow her to possess me"
    In Warden's mind:
    {Morrigan genuinely believe that her mother want to possess her,so is up to me to decide to risk my life against a woman of which i know nothing about}
    In Morrigan mind's:
    {My mother sent me for the dark ritual,but she also planned to betray me after the deed ,by possessing my body and use my son for herself. I cannot fight her because she may possess my body,but i also know that she is an high dragon however i will not tell this to the Warden to not aggravate the suspicion over me for the lie of the giant bird}
    In the end the Warden, completely deceived by Morrigan fought against an high dragon for her by risking personal life for a lie,while Morrigan is surprised that you're still alive after that battle
     (this just confirm my suspicion that she knew the whole High Dragon thing and that she didn't tell nothing to the warden on purpose).
    Also do you wonder of why Flemeth did not gave to you any answer about the whole possession thing?
    As anyone ever wonder of why Flemeth do not reveal that she didn't intend to possess the body her daughter?It was because she was trying to protect Morrigan from a difficult situation,Flemeth knew that Morrigan lied to the Warden(toolset notes) to reach that outcome but she took on herself the Warden's fury to protect her daughter.
    If Flemeth truly wished to possess her daughter like the naive of Morrigan believed ,then why she didn't do this before to meet the Warden?

    She could have taken her body at any time and the most intelligent solution would have been for her to possess Morrigan and then follow the Warden not doing the contrary,the info about the more the host is powerful the quicker the transition will be is just something that i suppose have to do with Mythal of whom Morrigan knew nothing about in DAO(a gift like Yavana said),young Flemeth(Connobar times) was more powerful than young Morrigan,because was capable to absorb Mythal without dying.

    Kieran can do the same but his situation is different,he is not even yet born and an AD essence is involved,it was not yet the soul of the old god.

     

    4)The cup of the Tea at Redcliffe,if the Warden do not wish to trust her anymore:
     a)after having realized that she lied for an entire year
    B  because she was unwilling to provide any reason of why she wanted the old god soul other than  it will work,it will save your life,you glory and i want more power 
    c)because the warden know nothing of the old gods and is not willing to put a god over men
    d)Because the warden doesn't wish to use childs for soul experiments that will alter their behavior permanently
    e)because the warden is not willing to risk anything with FLemeth's vengeance,as i said an intelligent Warden will take into account Flemeth,the DR it belong to her not to Morrigan
    f)because Morrigan's harsh attitude doesn't qualify her as being wise enough for the task,in fact she lost this soul because of her own pride and desire
     
     
     
     
    she  betray you by leaving the group main goal and the whole word to burn not for a valid reason (like being sick or for whatever urgent matter,more urgent than saving Thedas)
    She simply leave because she doesn't get what she want,and tell to a romanced Warden to live in regret.
     
    My main warden (not the others) who is a very rationalistic mind (spared Loghain)
    rejected the ritual based on multiple evidence,while all the others who took the ritual only relied on faith and on irrational desires,like love,power,knowledge,glory ecc..(all things that are yours even without Morrigan) 
    desires that were way far from wisdom.
    Seeing from my chair the events of DAI i can only said that out of the others wardens the canon maded the rationalistic decision, Mythal,the dread wolf,Corypheus with all these gods it is a good thing to have put one out of the equation,i don't need them.

 

Me? I don't trust her , my wardens depends on relationship between them and well the wardens.

 

For lying about how flemeth saved the warden i don't think it necessarily was lie perhaps flemeth can turn into gigant bird or morrigan could just screw with the warden.If morrigan knew about dragon form i don't think she would deliberately didn't tell the warden because it was in morrigan best interest considering she thought flemeth wanted possess her.  

 

Here pretty much i agree , it was pretty much planned but then you were nothing to her , when she confronts you about DR you can be her friend and even lover.

 

As for her lie/half-truth regarding her DR during her quest i don't think she cared about big bird thing lol ,it was rather simply to avoid telling about ritual.She didn't decive you about battle , that she is suprised that you are alive after you fight enemy like flemeth isn't surprising , you pretty much know against who are you going and we don't know if morrigan knew it or not.

To be honest i don't see how that flemeth in fact didn't want to possess morrigan would affect the warden or player trust who didn't know that nor morrigan so she didn't lie about it to the warden or player.

 

There is very few friends that are 100 % honest doesn't mean people don't trust other people.Alistair didn't tell you whole truth about wardens and joining , leliana didn't tell you about her past and wynne hid fact she is possessed.

 

She hardly lied for entire year ,rather didn't told you about DR ,as far we know she lied in 1 specific moment. She gives you some reason if you press and if i recall i want more power wasn't reason only that she wanted preserve soul of an old god ,and wheter you belive that morrigan will do something bad with it is again up to how warden saw her if we use metaknowledge she didn't. Morrigan says child is safe and well it was ,besides slightly altered behavior child turns to be pretty much the same.The warden can think that morrigan can handle flemeth (pretty much she wanted her grimoire for that very reason) or that flemeth is dead (as pretty much resurrection doesn't exist in thedas at least if you don't metagame and know bioware tends do that a quite lot in DA) , and once again morrigan showed that she could evade flemeth.Once again Morrigan didn't lost old god soul because of pride... pride or being modest and desire to drink or not from well wouldn't change her situation flemeth finds her regardless of whether she drinks from the well.

 

 



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Me? I don't trust her , my wardens depends on relationship between them and well the wardens.

 

 

Wynne,Leliana and Alistair case are different i think,each of them tell to you everything with high friendship,plus in Leliana and Wynne case i do not consider their secret to be important for your cause.
Leliana reveal to you her past,even if is not important for you to know her personal life,if you want to help her she agree,otherwise she continue to help you(.
Wynne the same,if friend she reveal to you about the spirit,she even help you with that spirit.
Alistair of Ostagar if you persuade him ,he said that the joining is very dangerous but that he is also in no position to disobey to Duncan his superior.
Alistair reveal who his is father at Redcliffe so he told to you everything.
Morrigan is the only character that i fail to grasp because she is a walking contradiction and at time sadistic.
I made an experiment on her on Lothering.
There was this merchant in lothering who was quite opportunistic in his job,i didn't mind him in my canon he is free to do what he wish with his stock.
However i do used him to make an experiment with Morrigan,to analyze her behaviour.
She said that the merchant was right,it was the survival of the fittest and bla bla bla...ecc..(always the same supper),then to test her i decided (not my canon) for the first time to attack the merchant,i expected that she would have been neutral at best or would have disapproved.
instead with my great surprise she enjoyed the killing and she even said
"i thought he was an opportunist who deserved this,"and she smile
WTF? This is hypocrisy.


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Wynne,Leliana and Alistair case are different i think,each of them tell to you everything with high friendship,plus in Leliana and Wynne case i do not consider their secret to be important for your cause.
Leliana reveal to you her past,even if is not important for you to know her personal life,if you want to help her she agree,otherwise she continue to help you(.
Wynne the same,if friend she reveal to you about the spirit,she even help you with that spirit.
Alistair of Ostagar if you persuade him ,he said that the joining is very dangerous but that he is also in no position to disobey to Duncan his superior.
Alistair reveal who his is father at Redcliffe so he told to you everything.
Morrigan is the only character that i fail to grasp because she is a walking contradiction and at time sadistic.
I made an experiment on her on Lothering.
There was this merchant in lothering who was quite opportunistic in his job,i didn't mind him in my canon he is free to do what he wish with his stock.
However i do used him to make an experiment with Morrigan,to analyze her behaviour.
She said that the merchant was right,it was the survival of the fittest and bla bla bla...ecc..(always the same supper),then to test her i decided (not my canon) for the first time to attack the merchant,i expected that she would have been neutral at best or would have disapproved.
instead with my great surprise she enjoyed the killing and she even said
"i thought he was an opportunist who deserved this,"and she smile
WTF? This is hypocrisy.

 

Well, not different every of them hides important facts about something.

Leliana hides her past and well something that could and did affect party . while she tells you that eventually (so does morrigan) she still hid it from you.

Wynne also hid even more important thing from the warden that she was possessed.

Alistair pretty much concealed extremely important facts from the warden ,facts that negatively affected warden life and told him when it was too late.

Morrigan is a bi*** , as for merchant i don't think it was hypocritical as she supported merchant because he took advantage of others but when the warden kills him s/he shows s/he is bigger fish and by that he didn't deserved to live in her eyes.As for her dialogue, doesn't she replies it to leliana that disapproves it despite she called him an opportunist.      



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.......

About the last Dlc

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I'm of the opinion that one body as to be to one person and to that person only,2 will into one body is an intrusion,an intrusion of someone into someone else.


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About the last Dlc

Spoiler

 

Well , to be honest Solas revelation didn't affect my knowledge on old gods much ,i think it isn't anything new that old gods were worshiped mainly for their power. 



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And so given the fact that i do not like to create Eldritch retarded (sorry OGB Kieran but this was my impression) abomination for no reason whatsoever apparent

(I already have Loghain, thank you Morrigan) or force men to do what they don't want to do,plus the whole Flemeth come back to bite your ass,this was my final answer at redcliffe,which is basically a no with style,lol i'm not listening witch, i'm giving you a beautiful finger with my Warden .

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I choose the Dark Ritual because there's nothing dark about it.

 

If your warden does it, you're saving the soul of something ancient, powerful and magical that may play a huge role in Thedas' fate one day,

 

What's best, you help that soul be reborn. Which means that whatever previous life it had, it won't remember. And if raised by Morrigan, it's certain that the Old God will be instructed to do good, to be righteous, to perhaps save millions in the future.

 

 

A second reason why I always do the ritual is because it is ancient magic. The Wardens know nothing about the Old Gods, except that an Archdemon must be killed. They know nothing about the Joining - which I'm fully convinced it's blood magic -, but they force recruits to undertake it. So they are an imperfect Order that receives dubious instructions from the HQ (Weisshaupt), trying to fight powers they barely understand with what little resources they have.

 

If a witch instructed by an Evanuris (Mythal-Flemeth) offers my Warden a solution for the problem, I'll gladly take it, since she knows better about such magic than he/she does. The way I see it, the Warden was caught in the middle of a battle between higher powers. He's unprepared to win on his terms without it ending in his sacrifice. If one of the sides lends me a hand without there being bad consequences, of course I'll take it.

 

 

Really, there's nothing dark about what Morrigan is doing. Her son doesn't become a monster. She doesn't bother you in the future because of it. And the Warden lives. Win-win.


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text was too long komandor,i deleted that wall of text


It is also a very fandom biased view.

To disagree with someone doesn't mean you don't trust them.
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I just find the "becoming a mother changes you drastically" thing rather cliche. Another reason not to choose DR in my canon setting.

 

I actually find it kind of disgusting. Sorry motherhood doesn't work that way.


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Yes, never mind that all the old gods being destroyed could have (strongly hinted) unforeseen consequences. Let's just do that and hope nothing bad happens due to your extremely idiotic shortsightedness in thinking that every ancient god dying can't POSSIBLY result in anything bad, there's absolutely NO WAY that could bite you in the ass.

Ugh... I'm done responding to your posts. They annoy me and have too much ignorance to be worth the effort in typing a reply to them <_<.

-From another topic on the Origins section

The sacrifice is the known way of stopping the Archdemon,it has worked four times.
Causing it not to be an Archdemon is another option, if we assume it will work. And you do have to assume: if Morrigan has a proof-of-concept to show you, she somehow fails to do so. So, in addition to the point you concede where the Warden doesn't know what the long term consequences are, if you're not metagaming you kinda have to take it on faith that you know what the short term are.
You're risking other people (not just yourself) to try and gain a perfect solution when a less perfect solution can be had more safely if only you're willing to do something you don't want to do. If you're just metagaming, fine, no problem, but the Warden has no real reason to think this will work out well.
It's not just two lives at stake: it's basically all of them.
And as for this question in DAI: well, if you're not metagaming then things we learn two games later aren't relevant to what decision the Warden should make, but if you are metagaming, what do they actually say? I am aware that they imply they don't want it, but do they say anything that implies there will be worse consequences than an ancient being of magic being permanently destroyed? Because that alone seems to be, under the belief system Flemeth taught Morrigan, a serious problem. In fact, Morrigan represents killing dragons as a bad thing because they are powerfully magical beings, and if I remember correctly she says that this is true regardless of how dangerous they are. And one can imagine she learned this worldview from Flemeth. I'm willing to agree with them that the Old Gods should be preserved, if and only if they tell me their rationale and give a better one than "magic should be preserved regardless of the danger."

As for Solas, I'm just ignoring what he thinks is best entirely until given reason to do otherwise. His view of what should happen is that the Veil is eliminated, which is apparently implied to be going to kill a whole bunch of people and is outright stated will allow spirits to manifest wherever. That sounds like the sort of thing that causes demons to pop up at random places and "[empty] the... countryside of everyone who's not sleeping in their armor."

I don't know that any of them can be trusted to want to preserve the Old Gods for the reason of preventing bad things from happening, when in each of their cases we have reason to believe that they want to preserve and encourage magic whether or not bad things happen as a result of it.
Going back to the original question -have to say that doing the DR is definitely a selfish act (even if understandable). It requires you to have blind faith in Morrigan and what she intends to do with this child who has the soul of an Old God. (Trust Morrigan? What could possibly go wrong?) Given her unwillingness to discuss those details, a responsible Warden should reject it out of hand. No doubt Riordan would tell you to do just that if you were allowed to talk to him about it. I'm surprised Alistair doesn't object to the DR as much as he objects to allowing Loghain into the Grey Wardens. For all you know, doing the DR may result in the Blight resuming again later.
Not only Morrigan seems to be very much an "anti-people person." Think of all the decisions the warden make during the game for which Morrigan weighs in. In order to get a 100% from Morrigan, you have to not help everybody you run into, you have to desecrate the Sacred Ashes (betraying the trust of the Guardian and all to win the favor of a nutty cult), sacrifice the lives of imprisoned city elves in order to get some magical bauble that the Tevinter slaver would make for you, etc. Killing a merchant for nothing, killing the mages for nothing, enslave a girl to a demon in Yonhelat with nothing to gain.
This is the person you are going to trust with a child with the soul of an Old God? She doesn't even seem to care whether the Blight is stopped at all. If you opt to do the US, she abandons you and the rest of the team. Not a person to be trusted...

There are a finite number of Old Gods and thus a finite number of future Blights. By doing the US, you guarantee that there is one less Old God/AD. By doing the DR, you create the possibility that one of these Old Gods/AD will make a repeat performance in the future, thus negating the sacrifices of all those who fought to kill it the first time around.
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There are a finite number of Old Gods and thus a finite number of future Blights. By doing the US, you guarantee that there is one less Old God/AD. By doing the DR, you create the possibility that one of these Old Gods/AD will make a repeat performance in the future, thus negating the sacrifices of all those who fought to kill it the first time around. 

 

This is logical thinking.


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I actually find it kind of disgusting. Sorry motherhood doesn't work that way.


Even if you don't believe that, you should remember whom we're talking about.

Morrigan had always thought that caring about anyone was a weakness and stupid. Learning to put someone first is huge for her.

Well, not different every of them hides important facts about something.
Leliana hides her past and well something that could and did affect party . while she tells you that eventually (so does morrigan) she still hid it from you.
Wynne also hid even more important thing from the warden that she was possessed.
Alistair pretty much concealed extremely important facts from the warden ,facts that negatively affected warden life and told him when it was too late.
Morrigan is a bi*** , as for merchant i don't think it was hypocritical as she supported merchant because he took advantage of others but when the warden kills him s/he shows s/he is bigger fish and by that he didn't deserved to live in her eyes.As for her dialogue, doesn't she replies it to leliana that disapproves it despite she called him an opportunist.


Not the same thing. The other characters hide their past, and that is fine. Nobody is obligated to share information about their lives.

However, Morrigan hides her very intentions. That is far worse. Even while romancing her, I felt like she was just using the Warden as a tool for her own ends.
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Not the same thing. The other characters hide their past, and that is fine. Nobody is obligated to share information about their lives.

However, Morrigan hides her very intentions. That is far worse. Even while romancing her, I felt like she was just using the Warden as a tool for her own ends.

By that logic neither Morrigan was obligated, but that is in first place false as mentioned before because they hid very important information that could and did disrupt the mission.So yes , those companions refused to tell you inconvenient to them truth or even lied to you solely on that reason.