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Ive replayed Inquisition several times. Ive still sort of struggled with how my main "Canon" storyline should play out. It mostly surrounds around the ending to origins and whether or not I shjould agree to Morrigans ritual.

On one hand, I find it hard for my character to fully support Morrigans ritual, especially considering how vague her motives are. I also like that my romance with Morrigans get a bittersweet ending when I refuse the ritual (Especially after the reunion in Witch Hunt).

On the other hand, I LOVE Loghain, and I really like to see him end up as commander of Grey Wardens in Inquisition.

But If I wanna do that without the ritual I have to sacrifice my own character (which is a big no no). Stroud also make for a poor Loghain/Alistair replacement in Inquisition (The only thing memorable about him is his moustasche).

 

What are you guys reasons for accepting/Refusing the ritual?

 

Even though I did one playthrough (but didn't keep the save file) of sacrifice I prefer doing dark ritual with Alister, my male warden or Logain (yes I kept Logain alive for a playthrough....even though I oopsed then sacked him then oopsed on my DRAGON'S KEEP and said he lived when he didn't survive DAO) because it seems like having Kerran born seems like it may factor to later DA games (including DAI). It's interesting to see a child oriented character being created from DAO to being ten years old in DAI. Frankly I wish there were more characters like that that survived DAO/DAA that were young but be ten years older in DAI or in a future DA game. It would make the franchise a-lot more realistic.



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Comparing Human and OGB to determine that Kieran has 2 different personalities in same worldsate is pointless because OGB developed his personality with different factor affecting  his life, so once again point is moot because this may be OGB true personality . 

If you pay attention to the aftermath of the fade scene,it is possible to realize that the child's behaviour changes.



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Kieran is different when Urthemiel's soul is removed by Flemeth. That fact that he's different at all if you import a worldstate where Morrigan had a normal child is proof enough that Urthemiel's soul affects Kieran in some way.


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If you pay attention to the aftermath of the fade scene,it is possible to realize that the child's behaviour changes.

On what basis you concluded that , boy literally says about 5-6 words aftermath and we hear nothing more from him, and needless to say that 5-6 words aren't even close to note any personality change .

 

 

 

Kieran is different when Urthemiel's soul is removed by Flemeth. That fact that he's different at all if you import a worldstate where Morrigan had a normal child is proof enough that Urthemiel's soul affects Kieran in some way.

Same as above , it would be pretty much impossible to say if he is different with Kieran saying 2 very short sentences.



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Hey, I'm all about doing the Dark Ritual. It doesn't matter to me if Kieran is different with the soul, but I can't see how you'd fail to notice the change afterwards.



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Hey, I'm all about doing the Dark Ritual. It doesn't matter to me if Kieran is different with the soul, but I can't see how you'd fail to notice the change afterwards.

What change once again , i asked to point what that change was.



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Kieran notes that he feels "lonely", and loses his mystical/prophet aura.



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Kieran notes that he feels "lonely", and loses his mystical/prophet aura.

That wasn't personality change only describing how he felt without old god soul, and it is impossible to determine wheter he lost his "aura" as it is pretty much impossible determine that on those few words he said aftermath. If we tried to determine difference between normal Kieran and OGB on basis first two things he said result would be that there is no difference between them, difference was visible later in conversation.



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Hey, I'm all about doing the Dark Ritual. .

I'm not because i have my own suspicion of what Flemeth want to do with the soul,maybe i will open a topic for  my idea about where the soul is post Inquisition
 
@Komandor yes he change because the soul had a will on it's own
 


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@Komandor yes he change because the soul had a will on it's own
 

 

That is no good argument , that it had "will" on it's own doesn't mean he changed what as i said we have no evidence of.



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That is no good argument , that it had "will" on it's own doesn't mean he changed what as i said we have no evidence of.

If for evidences you mean mathematical demonstrations then i'm afraid that you wouldn't be able to find any evidence on anything,some things need to be grasped unless you try to hard to prove your point with less evidences that we provided..
Kieran's creepy demeanour were all product of the soul an when it is gone so it is part of what made him have the creepy personality.


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If for evidences you mean mathematical demonstrations then i'm afraid that you wouldn't be able to find any evidence on anything,some things need to be grasped unless you try to hard to prove your point with less evidences that we provided..
Kieran's creepy demeanour were all product of the soul an when it si gone so it is part of what made him creepy.

 

By evidence i mean something that would cleary demonstrate his change after soul was taken, there is no such thing as change can't be observed with so little data we have.  

"Creepy demeanour" could have been only effect soul had on child , that you removed it doesn't mean effects will be gone , to demonstrate on example that you will take away person from radioactive object or area doesn't mean effects will be gone too. 



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By evidence i mean something that would cleary demonstrate his change after soul was taken, there is no such thing as change can't be observed with so little data we have.  

"Creepy demeanour" could have been only effect soul had on child , that you removed it doesn't mean effects will be gone

Whether the soul affected him to the point that even after the removal of it some effects are on his body and or part of his knowledge is an interesting question,he may as well still remember some of the knowledge of the old god
(titans, elves,qunari,dwarves ecc..) 
However the soul that  it affected him and was the source of part of his behaviour was removed,without it one can reasonably expect a change onto him.
Also it was a soul not an instrument, from what i grasped soul always have a will and  a personality.


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Whether the soul affected him to the point that even after the removal of it some effects are on his body and or part of his knowledge is an interesting question,he may as well still remember some of the knowledge of the old god
(titans, elves,qunari,dwarves ecc..) 
However the soul that  it affected him and was the source of part of his behaviour was removed,without it one can reasonably expect a change onto him.
Also it was a soul not an instrument, from what i grasped soul always have a will and  a personality.

 

We don't know that, as i said his creepy talk could be only overall lasting effect the old god soul had on him (for example it could have provided him knowledge that normal Kieran would lack thus it altered development of his personality) and his personality rather than old god assuming control (what is more likely as even in altered dialogue he mantains personal relationship with Morrigan).So pretty much effects old god soul had on Kieran personality could be as well permanent.



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So pretty much effects old god soul had on Kieran personality could be as well permanent.

I don't think so,a reasonable way to view this is to focus on the manner of speech.
Human Kieran has an innocent and spontaneous demeanor and a more childish way to talk as it is expected from someone of his age.
OGB Kieran manner of speech is influenced by the old god and when it is removed is easy to grasp that his manner of speech changed and was way similar  to the one of human kieran in the alternate world-state.


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If you pay attention to the aftermath of the fade scene,it is possible to realize that the child's behaviour changes.


Morrigan (after the OGS is removed): "He has never known anything else. I am uncertain what effect this will have on him".
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I don't think so,a reasonable way to view this is to focus on the manner of speech.
Human Kieran has an innocent and spontaneous demeanor and a more childish way to talk as it is expected from someone of his age.
OGB Kieran manner of speech is influenced by the old god and when it is removed is easy to grasp that his manner of speech changed and was way similar  to the one of human kieran in the alternate world-state.

 

That is difference only between Kieran in two different world states where he has old god soul and don't. Even altered dialogues show Kierran cheerful or excited (in some cases as well sad) difference is only he is much more insightful and knowledgeable on certain topics , what he said may be nothing more than effect of old god soul providing knowledge that altered his personality.

 

 

Morrigan (after the OGS is removed): "He has never known anything else. I am uncertain what effect this will have on him".

That statment is vague and can be interpreted in more than one way , Kieran said he feels lonely and spent his entire life with soul of old god and Morrigan may be just uncertain how it will effect him.

 

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I've played it through both ways, but for me I usually do the US, since I usually play as en elf.....each of them have had their reasons, 1) keeping Alistair alive because *love*, to be king, or do a second try if they fail, 2) The hero doesn't let a friend die in their place, 3) depressed dalish who figures WTH, great way to go out and get this all over with, 4) show those humans that an elf can be more than some woodsman hunter or a poverty stricken serf....we're worthwhile too! 5) Can you really trust a human with some ancient god-spirit and unknown magic??

 

 

Haven't had a human or dwarf character do the US. Made so much more sense for the elf to do it.


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5) Can you really trust a human with some ancient god-spirit and unknown magic??


That's why pretty much i consider her untrustworthy for the task
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One thing is certain. Romancing Morrigan makes this a lot more complicated.

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It can, I agree.



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Yes, never mind that all the old gods being destroyed could have (strongly hinted) unforeseen consequences. Let's just do that and hope nothing bad happens due to your extremely idiotic shortsightedness in thinking that every ancient god dying can't POSSIBLY result in anything bad, there's absolutely NO WAY that could bite you in the ass.

I strongly disagree if has evidence you're using Solas and specifically his banter with Blackwall.
Solas dislike the wardens not because they kill the archdemons/old gods but because they believe that this will end the blights
(Which we know is false because the Architect and the Mother togheter started another on their own thus prove that archdemons are not the only one who can do that)
Solas question their wisdom.
However from his banters with Cassandra we can grasp that he dislike the old gods as much as he do with every self proclaimed god.
Solas:"I believe that the elven gods exsisted just as the old gods of tevinter,however i don't believe that they were gods unless some want to extend the definition of the word to the point of absurdity"
Solas don't value the old gods.

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I guess there is a reason / incentive to do the Dark Ritual now...A very NSFW reason...

 

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Get right down to the fine line it doesn't matter.. Morrigan will have a son and talk about her warden in DA:I just like Leliana , Loghain and Zevran still alive even if some kill them in DA:O.

 

My wardens will continue to kill Loghain for his crimes and do the DR.



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And mine will continue to redeem him,i don't like to waste resources