In the case of the DR performed with a Dwarf Morrigan was capable to succeed at the first try, lmao Impressive!
The genes of the witches must be superior.
I mean, otherwise there's no guarantee of any child being conceived that night, dwarf papa or not. I figure Morrigan used some kind of weirdo fertility magic to help things.. take.
If there was a way they could forge through the deep roads and successfully kill the old gods before the darkspawn had a chance to corrupt them without slitting each others' throats in crazy blood rituals, I'd probably be pretty on board with that plan, Solas be damned. Now, if he actually spelled out a good reason why this would be bad, then I'd be all ears, but "It could be worse" is insufficient.
Agreed, on both counts. This is one of the moments where I wanted to dress Solas down for being an ass, and that was before I learned who he actually is -- which makes it even more likely that he's withholding information from us on this issue, as he does on others. Anyone who does that automatically loses the "right" to whinge at others about the issue in question.
Maybe if Solas, Flemeth will start to tell the truth i can give to them a credit a chance, but all that they do especially Solas is hide the truth, without informations, good informations i'm not willing to help anyone, if they wish my help they must tell to me for what purpose and to what end .
That is one of the big reasons why I refuse the DR. Plus, Morrigan is such an utter assh*le that it automatically landed on the "HELL NO!" discard pile of supremely bad ideas because there was no reason whatsoever to trust her, even without considering the fact that she had been lying and withholding information all the time.
Ultimate sacrifice. Morrigan couldn't be trusted at the time. I didn't put in 70+ hours just to give her the keys to world domination. In hindsight you could argue differently, but considering at the time she was unwilling to provide you with reason on why she wanted the child and she had been a ****** throughout, no deal.
New heroes will rise. Someone even stronger will surface and take my Warden's place.
Enter Hawke and the Inquisitor.
My Warden was taking off his trousers before he even found Morrigan in his room
Ultimate sacrifice. Morrigan couldn't be trusted at the time. I didn't put in 70+ hours just to give her the keys to world domination. In hindsight you could argue differently, but considering at the time she was unwilling to provide you with reason on why she wanted the child and she had been a ****** throughout, no deal.
New heroes will rise. Someone even stronger will surface and take my Warden's place.
Enter Hawke and the Inquisitor.
No, it's a win win based completely meta game knowledge. There is literally no reason to not do it outside of rping which is what I said.
Either option's valid depending on your answers to these questions:
Are you willing to die?
Are you willing to have others die for you?
Do you trust Morrigan?
If you could save the world and live, would you?
I personally go with Dark Ritual most of the time.
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I chose the DR and had Loghain as the "sacrifice" for Morrigan's plans lol and this is my first true PT. It was... such a happy ending that it shocked me because of how bleak the game feels throughout. Everything ended so perfectly with everyone alive and good friends with my Amell. It felt so good and satisfying that it's my official World State for DAI. And I adore Morrigan's son in DAI!
If your playing a male go with the Dark Ritual, easy. If you're romancing Morrigan you just sleep with your girlfriend, and start a family together. If you aren't romancing Morrigan you get to sleep with a beautiful woman, no strings attached. The dark ritual is only a difficult choice if you're playing as a woman, because when playing as a female the DR is essentially coercive rape (or at least a situation where consent is really sketchy), rape that results in a baby no less. If you're romancing Alistair the choice is even harder, as The Warden has to pressure her boyfriend to father a child with a woman that he hates to save the woman that he loves.
Overall I'd say that Morrigan having the baby is the most interest choice, Kieran makes the Morrigan/Flemeth dynamic much more interesting, and the Warden gets to continue their adventures instead of some random stand-in.
I've got a couple different world states, but in my favorite, the warden convinced Alistair to perform the ritual because she wanted them both to survive. That was pretty much it. She wasn't happy about it, at all, but she put aside her reservations, figuring she and Al would have years to forgive each other for a choice they didn't want to make. She didn't hate Morrigan, actually, she was friends with her. She just wasn't sure the idea behind the ritual was a good one.
My Dalish warden had had more than enough of ancient rituals and old magic and thought that they caused more problems than they solved, so she slugged Al and took the hit so all her hard work putting him on the throne wouldn't go to waste.
My human rogue truly loved Morrigan and since she'd cut him off long before, he figured one last chance was better than none.
My city elf decided that since he was all about 2nd chances, he'd give Loghain one too, and made Al king anyway. He was sorry that Loghain was saddened by the loss of the men killed by his pride, but when the chance to feed him to the archdemon instead of himself arose, he didin't even bother thinking about it. He also really couldn't bring himself to do the ritual, and didn't trust Loghain with his life at all after past experiences. At least Loghain died a hero, which ticked Al off to no end. I always imagined they patched things up later.
Another human rogue decided it was his "in" and went with it. He married the queen and preserved Loghain to stay in her good graces. He had dallied with Morrigan already, but realized she couldn't get him where he wanted to be, so he eventually let her go. But one more time and he gets to be king and live and not have Anora peeved, sounds great!
There are a whole lot more variations I pursued, but these are my favorites. I did have Al kill the dragon to get the achievement, but that was never going to be the game I'd keep and I reloaded immediately and had the warden do it. I don't think I actually have a save that contains a dead Alistair, now that I think about it.
Looking back and seeing how the world ended up, I'd say Sacrifice.
I don't want to be a pawn of the elvhen gods and the warden will eventually die from the taint anyways
It would be 50/50 for me. Though, if I were to choose sacrifice, it would certanly be Loghain or Alistair. I'll be damned if I'll die for those bloody grey wardens.
If your playing a male go with the Dark Ritual, easy. If you're romancing Morrigan you just sleep with your girlfriend, and start a family together. If you aren't romancing Morrigan you get to sleep with a beautiful woman, no strings attached. The dark ritual is only a difficult choice if you're playing as a woman, because when playing as a female the DR is essentially coercive rape (or at least a situation where consent is really sketchy), rape that results in a baby no less. If you're romancing Alistair the choice is even harder, as The Warden has to pressure her boyfriend to father a child with a woman that he hates to save the woman that he loves.
Overall I'd say that Morrigan having the baby is the most interest choice, Kieran makes the Morrigan/Flemeth dynamic much more interesting, and the Warden gets to continue their adventures instead of some random stand-in.
On my first, unknowing PT, my city elf refused the DR because she didn't trust Morrigan one bit (and I despise the character) and she was dumped by Alistair who was going to marry Anora. So yes, let's burn down with that archdemon.
I hadn't decided on a headcanon ending for DAO until I landed on the combination No DR-Morrigan drank from the Well-Inquisitor elf mage-Arcane knowledge perk for the Flemeth/Morrigan scene. I enjoyed it so much, it was one of the best scenes of the game and far better than the other options imo. So US headcanon it is.
Canonically, without prior experience, and prior to Inquisition? It seemed the logical thing to do, the Dark Ritual. Someone would have to rebuild the Wardens of Fereldan in a way that was fitting for Fereldan, so sending in some Orlesian Warden just wouldn't do. Loghain would make for a great recruiter, warrior, and tactician, but as a leader his credibility has been damaged by- well, you all know. Therefore, it was either sacrifice a valuable asset (Loghain or self) or do the Dark Ritual with someone I ended up romancing.
Canonically, with prior experience, and prior to Inquisition? Same thing, really. Hardened Alistair makes for an infinitely better king/Symbol than he ever could a warden, Loghain makes for a great warden and Warden asset, and The Hero makes for a great Warden Commander. Having these three alive is a great boon indeed.
After Inquisition? Who cares it's not important at all! Loghain surviving is glorious though. 
Here are the general considerations I have:
From a "chosen one, hero of legend" perspective, I think the Dark Ritual is the better option. Fewer things are more heroic than stopping the end of the world, and flipping fate the bird in the process, all while (presumably) redeeming/purifying a source of ancient truth.
From a "this is 'dark' fantasy, being a good Warden" perspective, the sacrifice seems like the more reasonable choice. The goal is to end the Blight, and that means destroying Urthemiel. Allowing the Archdemon a means to survive the confrontation is simply not an option.
From a "I really like Loghain's character" perspective, I will always sacrifice him if I recruit him. To me, his story is told in Origins. Reducing such a great character to a bunch of half-hearted cameos really hurts, particularly if I'm playing a female Warden, since tying Loghain to the Dark Ritual just doesn't feel right to me. I can justify it more with Al, since (a)he's possibly in a romance with the PC, and (b)I think the dynamic of him and Morrigan having a kid together is an interesting one. But despite being a fan of Loghain, I can't let him survive DAO. This actually also works really well with the previous point anyway, IMO, since the types of Wardens I play who are likely to recruit him are also the types who will likely focus foremost on stopping the Blight.
From a "what happens in Awakening, and DA2 save importing" perspective, I will never sacrifice my actual Warden, because the game doesn't permit carrying over a world state to Awakening and keeping the Warden dead, and while technically, the Keep may fix elements of that, and it's not like it matters much anyway, I just can't get past such a glaring deficiency, and thus, will only ever sacrifice Alistair or Loghain, even in the Keep.
From a "meta-game, what happens in DAI" perspective, I prefer the sacrifice because I find Kieran kind of annoying. Plus, I think even if he redeems her character a bit, Morrigan's story just feels more tightly written if she's alone.
Looking back and seeing how the world ended up, I'd say Sacrifice.
I don't want to be a pawn of the elvhen gods and the warden will eventually die from the taint anyways
Sadly Abelas speaks the truth, elven legends are wrong,terribly wrong because the DA gods are not so intriguing anymore.
I don't think it diminished the characters per se, but it did make the various reveals seem really pointless. "Here's Flemeth's true identity! And by the way everything we've ever told you about said true identity was a lie!" So all we basically did was trade one name we knew nothing about for another.
Yes, never mind that all the old gods being destroyed could have (strongly hinted) unforeseen consequences. Let's just do that and hope nothing bad happens due to your extremely idiotic shortsightedness in thinking that every ancient god dying can't POSSIBLY result in anything bad, there's absolutely NO WAY that could bite you in the ass.
This.
Does anyone STILL think that killing all of the Old Gods will stop the blights from happening? I'm worried what happens when the remaining two Old Gods are dead. Does anyone ever think about that?
And I don't understand why anyone would sacrifice themselves for no good reason when you have an option to live! The option to live is not even difficult to reach. Some may even enjoy the process.
Dark Ritual, easy choice.
Get laid. Have magical son. Cure Calling. No drawbacks whatsoever apparent. Really no reason not to.
It's a win-win for whoever's involved.
Sacrifice is overrated and cliche.
Do the damn Ritual. Its more interesting that way.
I think some people here are ultra meta-gaming to say that the decision is an easy one. You get all the information about curing the Calling (and we don't know that we need the OGS for that) and the possible downside to killing the Old Gods in DAI; and you get this info as player. Your character doesn't know any of this, and at the point of making the decision it all depends on how much he/she trust Morrigan's word and how willing he/she is to take the risk or preserving the soul of an Old God (whose real consequences even as players we don't really know yet) for saving a life that is doomed anyway. From the point of view of my PC, the idiotic thing would be trusting a person that's been showing during all the game that she only cares for herself with such an immense and unknown power.
There are many interpretations from a story and roleplaying point of view, and I think is far more interesting to tell one's take on it than just "It's obvious, you fool!" But to each their own.
Sacrifice is overrated and cliche.
Do the damn Ritual. Its more interesting that way.
This.
Does anyone STILL think that killing all of the Old Gods will stop the blights from happening? I'm worried what happens when the remaining two Old Gods are dead. Does anyone ever think about that?
And I don't understand why anyone would sacrifice themselves for no good reason when you have an option to live! The option to live is not even difficult to reach. Some may even enjoy the process.
This.
Does anyone STILL think that killing all of the Old Gods will stop the blights from happening? I'm worried what happens when the remaining two Old Gods are dead. Does anyone ever think about that?
And I don't understand why anyone would sacrifice themselves for no good reason when you have an option to live! The option to live is not even difficult to reach. Some may even enjoy the process.
As opposed to giving power boosts to elven "gods?"
It's better to stick to the Devil you already know and than one you don't know and if all stars aligned, our Warden could have been the Inquisitor.
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