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[Secret Rare]

The US.... seriously... you die for next to nothing... Yes, I know, you want to pretend it had a higher meaning...  but seriously, you literally die for nothing... DR Wardens who go through the Eluvian get a Family. Love/Family >>> Pointless... oh wait I am a total hero... But I am totally dead... aka don't you dare bring the Warden back, because I died, this must be recognized....

 

Completely untrue and even offensive,the sacrifice path, particularly the Ultimate sacrifice is used to roleplay a certain type of character  to have an ending self contained in DAO, (i do not even need to explain ,since there is the beautiful post of Korva at the first page of the topic) plus everything from Flemeth and Solas is prevented.

Then again i can only think very poorly of some child ,who great wisdom, lead to statement like

Love/Family >>> Pointless... oh wait I am a total hero...

have you accomplished something concrete with the "virtual mommy-virtual wife in a virtual game who decisions are dictated by a software called the keep?

"Seriously the way in which certain people look at a game is very childish"

I appreciate by far Leldra post in which she have said that she was only interested in the knowledge and mystery of that being,and possibly to discover something more about their past.

Me personally i was not interested in the old gods, ( city elf origin) 

and i have come to utterly despise Morrigan with a passion, when she has suggested to sacrifice my own warden father for nothing

 

 (+1 constitution, great reason indeed to kill a parent)

[Secret Rare]

Sacrifice. I don't have to order Alistair or Loghain to submit themselves to non-con with a shady witch they despise, my Warden gets to die a big damn hero and have her armor displayed in the Weisshaupt archives near Garahel's and all the other Wardens who paid the ultimate price for Thedas' sake, Kieran doesn't exist so Morrigan is still fun and crazier than ever, her relationship with Flemeth is much more interesting without the kid getting in their way, Solas doesn't get to nom-nom-nom on Urthemiel's soul, Loghain gets to die a big damn hero ten years later too, the Calling is not getting cured just like that anyway... it's win-win all around for me.

I truly love this post,it's just show on how much a player can be satisfied with a particular ending,i must admit that i have not saved Loghain from the AD because of some resentment from my character (city elf),but this world state of both DAO and DAI is very heroic,an Ultimate sacrifice warden who die to save Loghain,and Loghain atonement,it just show on how much the world doesn't revolve around Morrigan/Flemeth the OGB or the elven toys.

[Qun00]

Tevinter believes it for similar reasons. The fact remains that people believe this without having any idea about what really happened. And the Fade reflects what people believe, so why wouldn't we see a "Claw of Dumat" there.

Take the elven myths, for instance. The Dalish believed the valasslin were sacred, now we know they're slave markings. That's how radically history can be different from what people believe.

Ah, so you don't know what I'm referring to. It's a detailed memory of the time spent between Corypheus and his student (before he became a freak).

The Dalish are unique in knowing almost nothing about themselves. Of course, the other races aren't perfect, but not quite as confused as the elves.

Now, if you take a look at my edited post you'll see an example of what I'm talking about. An Archon from ancient Tevinter also believed that blood magic came from Dumat.

[Aren]

The Dalish are unique in knowing almost nothing about themselves. 

wear with pride the vallaslin in the name of freedom ,good job!

[Qun00]

In all fairness, Abelas wears vallaslin too and his role doesn't seem particularly demeaning.

They don't seem to be the crawling in the mud and sweeping floors kind of slave.

[Master Warder Z_]

In all fairness, Abelas wears vallaslin too and his role doesn't seem particularly demeaning.

They don't seem to be the crawling in the mud and sweeping floors kind of slave.

*snorts*

So he's a slave in the realm of the Unsullied or Remnant rather then a cleaning maid woo.

[Qun00]

I just don't see the downside to it.

He probably feels honored for being the temple's guardian. Being a slave usually is seen negatively because of the cruelty and humiliation involved, but there is no sign of either.

That we know of, at least.

[Cz-99]

In all fairness, Abelas wears vallaslin too and his role doesn't seem particularly demeaning.

They don't seem to be the crawling in the mud and sweeping floors kind of slave.

 

He's still practically a slave to the temple, until the events of Inquisition at least.

[HallaGoddess]

My Lady Cousland was ambitious and cunning like any woman born into nobility- but she was also kind which balanced out her ruthlessness and calculating. She asked Alistair to do the dark ritual. It pained her to send her love to another woman- especially Morrigan since they were rather close friends (what woman could stomach her close friend sleeping with her fiance?)- but she wanted the both of them to live. She was one of the last Couslands, she couldn't die, but neither could she watch Alistair. Loghain was a treacherous snake and was promptly executed. The ritual was the most practical choice considering the fact that it also meant a child would be created out of the act. Alistair's child. Since she was engaged to be married, and she was doubtful that two Grey Wardens could produce an heir to the throne, that child would be incredibly useful in the future if they desperately needed an heir but they couldn't create one themselves. After all, it wouldn't be the first time a bastard child became King. She didn't think Morrigan would be adverse to the idea either, since it would effectively mean her son would be ruler of Ferelden. She was confident she could track down Morrigan if they really did need the child.

[Baeraad]

My first Warden meant to sacrifice herself. She was devastated after Alistair left her, and decided that if she couldn't live with him she would die for him (she was a bit melodramatic like that ) and be a Grey Warden to the very end. Morrigan's offer just cemented that decision by giving her a moment of temptation to overcome, letting her choose to lay down her life rather than being dragged into it willing or not. No way was she going to let Morrigan walk off with the soul of an Old God! She actually really liked Morrigan, but trust her? Never.

 

Alistair, of course, turned out to have other ideas and flung himself at the archdemon in her stead. Which I actually really liked, because it forced my Warden to learn some humility, to realise that other people were not necessarily always going to let her make their choices for them - something that she was overdue to learn after a whole game of beating the odds and finding a third option at every turn.

 

Just in general, I am not much for the DR option. The only time I've done it was in a gag playthrough where I made the "evil" choice at every turn. Which is kind of a shame, because as it turns out in light of DAI, it doesn't actually lead to anything bad, and in fact my main playthrough is now missing two characters that provide interesting content if they're alive - but at the time, the DR just looked so very much like something that would come back to bite me in the ass.

[Ieldra]

Ah, so you don't know what I'm referring to. It's a detailed memory of the time spent between Corypheus and his student (before he became a freak).

The Dalish are unique in knowing almost nothing about themselves. Of course, the other races aren't perfect, but not quite as confused as the elves.

Now, if you take a look at my edited post you'll see an example of what I'm talking about. An Archon from ancient Tevinter also believed that blood magic came from Dumat.

If it was a scholar who told me that Dumat is the most likely source of blood magic, then maybe I'd believe it. But if it's a priest (and the archon in that snippet was a priest), I will not believe it without independent confirmation. *Of course* priests would attribute any special powers they have to their god. What else would you expect?

 

Also "It's the source of blood magic" does not equal "It's evil." As I said before, blood magic in itself isn't evil.  

[Aren]

I utterly despise the in death consequences demanded at the end of the game, for all the players like me who utterly despise Morrigan and do not wish to give to her even a single hint of power.

You could argue that i could use Loghain,but is hard to picture this the first time(the moronic Duncan who do not mention the US, well done moron and stay dead),so given the fact that i have played DAO only once i ende up with an unwanted Warden Commander ending 

In DAI is the same,give to her power or take the risk,i guess that this is the only way for Morrigan to succeed,being protected by the developers blackmails, well it doesn't work with me,it will never work.

[Aren]

What was the point in responding to me, when it's just a rephrasing of what I said? I already explained why I did it, back before DA:I was even released for me to know it wouldn't backfire.

You made too many assumptions on others world state 

(especially mine,remember the "worm filled corpse",that was one of the childish statement of yours,that is really telling of my opinion on you as a poster)

and keep continue to jabber about a scenario of win win above everything else,sorry is not even the case,for me or others players who dislike the character of Morrigan and are not willing to make any sort of compromise with her  

"our win-win" is when this DR is denied

so stop blathering nonsense.

hopefully you will try to be less offensive in your posts next time

[Ninna]

Playing as a guy, dark ritual all the way. Sorry, my guy wants to live. 

 

Not looking forward to the decision now that I'm playing as a female. But sorry, Alistair, I'll make him do it, despite it being super weird since I'm romancing him. Ugh.

[Akiza]

As a personal preference my ending of DAO are

1) The Loghain redemption ,because he return to be the hero that he once was,and he apologize with his last words,how many would have give up their life to restore their honor,how many will go willingly to their death without fear,without remorse?

This is clearly a fantastic man,and the only ending that has left me the greatest impact

 

2)The Ultimate sacrifice,personally avoided it,not for personal survival,since i couldn't care less of fictional survival,but because of Loghain.

But i clearly recognize that this is the best ending to say goodbye to the Warden,end the fifth blight and begin DAII without bounds to the past, a complete new different character,totally into the spirit of this franchise.

Most important,you have not to worry about of the warden anymore,with the annoying "bring back the warden"

 

3) Warden commander and Dark ritual,i'm completely indifferent with these two,although i recognize the value of both of them,Warden Commander in a romance with Alistair is tragic and bittersweet 

(but hey my female mage don't care to romace Alistair,i don't like him too childish )

while the DR is too cop out for my taste,it doesn't  leve me with any impact,is just meant for  "happy ending" but i don't care of happy endings.

[Secret Rare]

 

Edit: tbh, I find it weak that the game doesn't give us more compelling reasons to accept the ritual.

 

 

 

 

 

this is exactly what i believe.

The game doesn't provide to me compelling reason to accept the ritual,simply because it provide a benefit but it has  risks and unknown.

At the same time i can easily obtain the benefit without take the risks (Loghain redemption)

Morrigan say "slay the AD and live as an Hero"

My Warden say" Kill the old god forever,redeem Loghain and live as an hero" I fail to see of why Morrigan as to be part of the equation,just to strike the final blow to a derelict of an AD that my Warden has already defeated at that point?

Nobody cares on who strike the final blow to an AD,in fact 2 days after the battle no one will  remember him.

[Aren]

 

 

Morrigan say "slay the AD and live as an Hero"

My Warden say" Kill the old god forever,redeem Loghain and live as an hero" I fail to see of why Morrigan as to be part of the equation,just to strike the final blow to a derelict of an AD that my Warden has already defeated at that point?

Nobody cares on who strike the final blow to an AD,in fact 2 days after the battle no one will  remember him.

 

Slay the AD or kill the old god? These  are obviously  two different things.

Since my Warden purpose was to kill both the AD and the old god,Morrigan goal was clearly against mine(A valid reason to hunt her later).

If i can do that with Loghain all the better.

[Qun00]

It may not be the most rational decision, but still worth it for the sake of making the story more interesting.

https://youtu.be/leACuhoH0mE

this is exactly what i believe.
The game doesn't provide to me compelling reason to accept the ritual,simply because it provide a benefit but it has  risks and unknown.
At the same time i can easily obtain the benefit without take the risks (Loghain redemption)
Morrigan say "slay the AD and live as an Hero"
My Warden say" Kill the old god forever,redeem Loghain and live as an hero" I fail to see of why Morrigan as to be part of the equation,just to strike the final blow to a derelict of an AD that my Warden has already defeated at that point?
Nobody cares on who strike the final blow to an AD,in fact 2 days after the battle no one will  remember him.

Yes, nobody will remember the archdemon. That's why there is a griffon statue in tribute to the Hero of Ferelden in Redcliffe ten years later.

Honestly, I don't see the appeal of letting someone else do the protagonist's job.

[Aren]

It may not be the most rational decision, but still worth it for the sake of making the story more interesting.




Yes, nobody will remember the archdemon. That's why there is a griffon statue in tribute to the Hero of Ferelden in Redcliffe ten years later.

Honestly, I don't see the appeal of letting someone else do the protagonist's job.

Letting someone do your job?

Of what are you talking about exactly,the HoF is the one who do the job,my warden has defeated the AD

(is even in my warden profile the fact that was my character to defeat him) Loghain or Alistair only strike the final blow on something that is already finished

 

[Yggdrasil]

I could never wrap my head around agreeing to the dark ritual and was flabbergasted when Morrigan suggested it.  Here we were trying to destroy the Archdemon, and she wants to keep its essence alive for some undisclosed purpose?  I was really surprised at how many people chose this option.

[Youknow]

Well, of my 3 playthroughs, 2 of them result in me not believing Morrigan. 

 

The first one, I was a dwarf noble and I romanced Morrigan. As she got further along, she got apprehensive being in a relationship with me, so she broke up with me and then I ended up with Zevran, on the night I found out about the Dark Ritual, I agreed with her. I wanted to up that chance to survive and save myself. I had lost so much since I'd become a surface dwarf, and I felt it wasn't right to leave Zevran by himself. So I had one last special night with Morrigan and then lived. Then went in the portal with her and just kinda disappeared forever. 

 

Playthrough 2 I was a female Human Warrior Warden with Alistar, I didn't believe Morrigan and just thought she wanted to do her witch magic on my lover or sleep with him. So I refused. Alistar paid the price for it because you can't die if he's there (did not know that, and I used him in the party the whole game). 

 

3rd playthrough Female Elf mage. She didn't believe in dark rituals like that, and sacrificed herself for the greater good. I want to say Ali became a Grey Warden in that one. 

[Ieldra]

"When I met Morrigan, I was told I should not trust her because she had a secret agenda. At which I laughed, because everyone has goals others know nothing about. I have them, too. What, I asked, lead to the assumption that that secret goal was to my detriment? And my informant told me the story of the dark ritual, but for me, it pointed towards a different truth.

 

Most of my friends, advisors, retainers and followers would be shocked to hear that I would've borne that child, had I had the knowledge and had I been present instead of Morrigan. Or that I would've sired it were I a man and had Morrigan asked it of me. I would've done it in the Warden's place even if it did not save my life, even if killing the Archdemon would have resulted in my death nonetheless.

 

A god-soul, so I have come to know, does not carry identity. It is a force of nature, a nameless potentiality to be controlled by the one who carries it. One that has its own danger that the carrier loses herself, but that is true for all kinds of power. My vision is to raise people out of their dependency of spirit, and I would've attempted to raise my daughter in the same spirit and told her to use the power taken from the gods towards the same goal. I do not know the role gods - those that exist - play in the world's order, but we do not need them. They hold us back and make us stay dependent in spirit, like children prevented from growing up by jealous parents, and surely, in all the stories the gods remind me of nothing more than of jealous parents. So why should we not take their power for ourselves?

 

The usual answer is that power corrupts. Do I consider myself incorruptible? In all honesty, I do not think that this is knowledge anyone can have of herself in advance. I do, however, know that I hate to see people kneel - before gods as well as men. I have been a ruler for two years and seen all too many people grovel before me, and cursed those who imprinted that behaviour onto them. Of all those who came before me during the war, it is the Avvar chieftain who impressed me most - he was honest and confident, ready to spit fate in the eye rather than denying himself, even should it result in his death. It is wise to respect those with more power than you have, but let no one believe they are naturally any less worthy than the greatest ruler. Being regarded as lesser, I have always believed, is something you earn, just as aristrocracy is something to aspire to, and if you are born to it, then you better live up to higher expectations than other men. For a world ruled by this principle, I believe that people must lose their dependency of spirit, their regard for gods, their misguided love for parents who have always been cruel to them. To that end, I would like to show the world that the gods' powers can be taken from them and used in the here and now towards our own goals. It is time to start believing in this world, and to that end I would've taken the power of a god-soul out of the world beyond and into this one." -- Inquisitor Maelyn Trevelyan, unpublished notebooks, vol II. 

 

 

[Aren]

 

What i have come to realize is that this thread of 2015 is too flawed with the metagaming perspective,if i wish to see more genuine opinions i must go back to old topics about the DR of the 2009,and apparently after reading some of them i have just realize that people are too willing to change their horses based on what they see.

 

[Gaia300]

I have just finished DAO recently,so my perception is not flawed with meta knowledge.

I really liked Morrigan characterization,a person who wish to preserve things not because of their meaning or religious aspect,but for her own benefit and power,and for certain an OGB would have helped her with some of his knowledge.

Have said this,i was not tempted by her offer because there was little if nothing to gain for me personally, (screw little bits of glory not worth it) and AListair get sacrificed from my female Dalish warden,since we were not in any relationship,nor he was king,and it was basically his will who has killed Loghain,

(for my origin i was completely neutral about Loghain), i have decided to allow Alistair to kill him,only because otherwise he would have abandoned me,and i was insecure that Loghain would have been capable to survive to the joining.

Alistair fault,Alistair as to sacrifice himself,he even volunteer without any pressure,just like Riordan (albeit this one is a dead man due to the taint).

Now the DR is an advantage for the GW even  in the worst case  in which the soul would have been tainted again (which is not the case with DAI),from an economic point of view.

We all know that the GW are pretty much forgotten without a blight,i just believe that with an Old god around they would have the chance to give their service to the world.

I genuinely believe that the GW are overrated,because aside from that 5 who killed the AD and some few others,they doesn't do the same efforts and sacrifice of the Dwarves or the Legion of the dead,who dies and protect the entire continent(albeit for their own survival as well) without even a thank you.

[Nerevar-as]

I did DR because I thought it was worth a shot preserving the OG soul, but mostly because sacrifice is not giving your life ( or the other GW´s), but your soul. And that´s not something I accept as long as there´s an alternative (if there´s really a Maker it´s also a middle finger to him, a plus). If the OG causes trouble in the future then it´ll be dealt with for good, although without metagaming I expected the GW to be the one to do it, not some unrelated PC who stumbles upon it while dealing with other troubles. At least DAII failure likely means it won´t be some upstart human cardboard everybody adores despite being a total failure.