Fiona almost managed to make Adrian and that abomination, terrorist, and moron Anders look like better candidates for leadership over the mage rebellion.
I suppose she at least she managed to impressive in some fashion.
She sure impressed me with her stupidity.
Its not their presence in redcliffe its their weird alliance with tevinter and the kicking out the arl that makes it hard for me.
Yeah, but then it would be a matter of Alexius trying to take the mages by force rather than making some kind of deal, but the entire storyline would need a lot of restructuring. Like, how would Alexius and the other vints successfully oust Teagan in the first place? Why would any sensible mage that doesn't want to make a deal with them not simply fight back? But that would make it even harder to choose the Templars.
The only other way you could do it is have the Venatori take Redcliffe by force.
Well, no. I can think of at least 3 other ways it could have been written.
She sure impressed me with her stupidity.
Also, her cloth armor looked totally lame. Gave me bad flashbacks of the fashion disasters mages had to wear in Origins.
Yeah, but then it would be a matter of Alexius trying to take the mages by force rather than making some kind of deal, but the entire storyline would need a lot of restructuring. Like, how would Alexius and the other vints successfully oust Teagan in the first place? Why would any sensible mage that doesn't want to make a deal with them not simply fight back? But that would make it even harder to choose the Templars.
True. Bioware needed to make the mages stupid for story but that doesn't make the mages not stupid. As long as we can't punish Fiona I will never ally with the mages. Only conscript them and try to do damage control and give them as much freedom as possible after antagoinizing the fereldan common folk.
Also, her cloth armor looked totally lame. Gave me bad flashbacks of the fashion disasters mages had to wear in Origins.
She could use a make over imo.
She could use a make over imo.
Vivienne could give her pointers.
Fiona almost managed to make Adrian and that abomination, terrorist, mass-murdering lunatic and moron Anders look like better candidates for leadership over the mage rebellion.
I suppose she at least she managed to impressive in some fashion.
Sight.
Here we go again. Those infamous words to describe Anders. How lovely considering the fact that the Chantry is what created that terrorist, mass-murdering lunatic and moron Anders 
The Chantry is far worst.
They're terrorist, mass-murdering lunatic (R.o.A + Exalted Marches) priests who has way to much power. They're also guilty of kidnapping children (and newborn babies!) and keeping them in their chantry prison until they reach a certain age. The list contuines of the atrocities that the Chantry has commited to humanity.
The only one responsible to create Anders, is AndersSight.
Here we go again. Those infamous words to describe Anders. How lovely considering the fact that the Chantry is what created that terrorist, mass-murdering lunatic and moron Anders
The Chantry is far worst.
They're terrorist, mass-murdering lunatic (R.o.A + Exalted Marches) priests who has way to much power. They're also guilty of kidnapping children (and newborn babies!) and keeping them in their chantry prison until they reach a certain age. The list contuines of the atrocities that the Chantry has commited to humanity.
The only one responsible to create Anders, is Anders
You obviously didn't get the memo. Anders is a mage. Mages can never be blamed for their own actions, someone else always drove them to it, made them do it! Stop victim blaming.
We've been having this argument since DA2.
The only one responsible to create Anders, is Anders
Really? Did Anders have much of a choice to be free? What crime did he commited to be stuck in some tower for the rest of his life? Would you do the same in his position? Anders was emotionally tortured when he was put in solitary confindament for a year! Do you know what is like not being able to communicate with other people as a social animal that we are? Try it out and get back to me of your sucess... or failure.
He came from the same Circle as Wynne and Finn, they were both granted permission to leave the Circles for long periods of time because they were trustworth and neither of them went full crazy mode like him.Really? Did Anders have much of a choice to be free? What crime did he commited to be stuck in some tower for the rest of his life? Would you do the same in his position? Anders was emotionally tortured when he was put in solitary confindament for a year! Do you know what is like not being able to communicate with other people as a social animal that we are? Try it out and get back to me of your sucess... or failure.
He was sent to solitary after his sixth escape attempt. He had a total of seven.
You obviously didn't get the memo. Anders is a mage. Mages can never be blamed for their own actions, someone else always drove them to it, made them do it! Stop victim blaming.
We've been having this argument since DA2.
(Disguested noise)
Mages can be blamed for their own actions (Example: Fiona), but should the Chantry. What happen in Kirkwall was largely at the fault of the Chantry, and Knight-Commander Meredith. Elthina refuse to be reason with. She allowed so much things happen that eventually the mages got tired of being sexually abused, and watching their friends get plucked off to be illegally made tranquil.
Stop being so naive because it's burning my eyes.
You obviously haven't been in the Fiona hate thread. It's full of people defending her and saying she isn't to blame.
And yes, Kirkwall was territible. EVERYBODY acknowledges that, pro circle and pro mage. It's also said about a hundred times in game (not to mention dev comments) that Kirkwall wall was the exception. In most circles abuses were extremely rare. Is better oversight of the templars needed? Yes absolutely. Do templar abuses mean the terrible things mages have done are somehow justified or excusable? Heck no!
He came from the same Circle as Wynne and Finn, they were both granted permission to leave the Circles for long periods of time because they were trustworth and neither of them went full crazy mode like him.
Anders wasnt trustworth, he wanted to breake the rules and was punished because of it, he going to solitary was a punishment after several attempts to flee. And he only proved the templars were right about him.
Really didn't change my thought on mages. The entire game was how a group could go wrong under certain circumstances. Mages with demons, Templars with red lyrium, and Wardens with the taint.
I really don't see why I would look upon mages more negatively than the other groups.
Pretty much this. Like I've always said, no one is perfect in this game, and everyone makes some very human mistakes because they're fearful. No one is perfect, and no one should be held up to impossible standards or judged as a whole by the actions of a few select people. Should all templars be punished because of Meredith? Should all mages be punished because of Anders? There is blame to go around for everyone in DA:I, so I'm still quite comfortable playing a mage and being sympathetic to them.
I lost some of my respect when one of the mages in Haven complained to Cassandra of the living conditions there.
What a whiner. If he didn't have magic, that elf would be lucky to have any accomodations at all.
He came from the same Circle as Wynne and Finn, they were both granted permission to leave the Circles for long periods of time because they were trustworth and neither of them went full crazy mode like him.
Anders wasnt trustworth, he wanted to breake the rules and was punished because of it, he going to solitary was a punishment after several attempts to flee. And he only proved the templars were right about him.
And Anders deserved his place in the tower because? He did what crimes while running away because? What did Anders do to be locked up for the rest of his life?
People are somehow accepting incarceration based on something, "just cause" reason. 'Cause mages. Totally legit man. Would you like to be hauled of behind bars for the rest of your life because you have a trait x? Would you complain if you would not have done anything but still locked up because there is a potential?
And what it have to do with Anders?The problem is that mages were no longer allowed to leave the circles after Kirkwall (Rhys mentioned it in Asunder). Lambert was on the best way to become Meridith 2.0, that's why more and more mages agreed with Fiona.
And what it have to do with Anders?
You say Lambert was like Meredith, but think Fiona is blameless, they are all at fault, just because you want mages free doesnt mean Fiona was right.
She was so right that the vote for independency only passes because of Rhys, she condemmed almost half of the mages into amar they didnt want.
So its cannon that you can learn blood magic from books? That sounds lame. I will still stay away from it though.
Probability says that Jowan learned blood magic from books. First Enchanter Irving deemed that the odds of an apprentice being able to learn magic from books was great enough that he had the entire section of the library pertaining to blood magic purged. And that's in DAO, which some regard as the only authentic source of lore.
In DA2, Anders asks Merrill if she really made a deal with a demon or if she didn't cut herself and realize the power. That implies that some mages do simply cut themselves and realize the power in their blood.
And Fiona was interested in what kind of compromise?It shows that this "permission to leave the Circle" thing was inadequate and randomly used.And I think Fiona was right. Maybe she made mistakes during the war...but starting the rebellion was absolutely necessary. The templars imposed more and more restrictions after Kirkwall and we have a Lord Seeker who has no interest in any kind of compromise. I think she would have been a worse leader if she had done nothing.
Probability says that Jowan learned blood magic from books. First Enchanter Irving deemed that the odds of an apprentice being able to learn magic from books was great enough that he had the entire section of the library pertaining to blood magic purged. And that's in DAO, which some regard as the only authentic source of lore.
In DA2, Anders asks Merrill if she really made a deal with a demon or if she didn't cut herself and realize the power. That implies that some mages do simply cut themselves and realize the power in their blood.
Yeah well Anders dissaproves with Merrils so i don't see any of those two as exemplars od how a mage should be. Wynne was a good mage.
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