So much fun in Thedas, eh?
And while I approve of mage freedom (and the Leliana ending - always get her..) I still wish there had been better ways to achieve it.
I still find it funny how my HoF Amell once she saved Fereldan both either Alistair or Anora give mages freedom...then you go in DA2 and you discover that this event never happened? "Go figure" as Oghren used to say xD
Yeah the chantry said Nope to that freedom thing.I still find it funny how my HoF Amell once she saved Fereldan both either Alistair or Anora give mages freedom...then you go in DA2 and you discover that this event never happened? "Go figure" as Oghren used to say xD
Anders did had good intentions because he wanted to free mages,he had good intentions for wanting to free mages from templar's abuses and I was on his side all time in DA2 right until moment when he out of nowhere just makes Chantry and all people with it go BOOM!
He didn't saved mages with it he sentenced them to instant death for doing it! All people who once agreed that mages should be free started to despise mages! Mages who were in circles were force to flee for their lives because now everyone wanted their head for stupidity of one man! And what was first thing Varric said about Anders that he fled with mages but later he had to flee from even mages because even other mages wanted to kill Anders for making them living like refugees. Wanted or no point is with what he has done he has endangered lives of thousands! Many terrorist in past I repeat never wanted for things to get way too much out of hand and yet they did and history still proclaimed them to be terrorist no matter what intentions or reasons they might have had!
Pro-mage run is ok,I've done these too...but agreeing about stuff such as "Anders was right to blow Chantry and people in it because it is only way" only proofs one thing and that is that people who think as these approve of terrorism which makes me sick. Still as I said for me whole Anders case is closed and I would rather not keep discussing him.
Instead it is better to start discussing Merril
or even Tevinter magisters,Alexius,Corypheus,Fiona...whoever just let's move away from whole Anders case because I don't want to bring any discussion and flame war over terrorism in my thread.We are here to discuss mages as people you feel sympathy or no for...we are not here to discuss "Was Ander terrorist or no" whoever wants to discuss that can go and make their own thread about and take it there.
So once again Anders case closed! Don't want to see any more discussion about terrorists or whatever in this thread so get back to the topic!
Did I say that I approve of blowing up chantries? All I wanted to say is that without being possessed by vengeance/justice he would not have done that. I just don't like it when people give all the fault to anders as if he said (with total control of himself) "yay, blowing up innocents".
But yes - enough Anders discussion here, right? 
So.. Merril - I like her destroying the eluvian - anyone else?
Yeah the chantry said Nope to that freedom thing.
I think I honestly both me and my HoF felt trolled in this case xD Both Alistair and Anora "gave freedom" in Fereldan...then in DA2 you find out that mages are still locked all over the world...meaning whole freedom in Fereldan never happened .... Alistair and Anora are bunch of trolls it seems they are one for another afterall lol.
Did I say that I approve of blowing up chantries? All I wanted to say is that without being possessed by vengeance/justice he would not have done that. I just don't like it when people give all the fault to anders as if he said (with total control of himself) "yay, blowing up innocents".
But yes - enough Anders discussion here, right?
So.. Merril - I like her destroying the eluvian - anyone else?
I'm in lol
Yeah the chantry said Nope to that freedom thing.
Knight-Commander Meredith make sure to give King Alistair a rash N **** over the concept of giving freedom to mages. It's kind of funny actually 
Giggles xdI think I honestly both me and my HoF felt trolled in this case xD Both Alistair and Anora "gave freedom" in Fereldan...then in DA2 you find out that mages are still locked all over the world...meaning whole freedom in Fereldan never happened .... Alistair and Anora are bunch of trolls it seems they are one for another afterall lol.
1-Considering how often I use the argument that "normal people have their freedoms restricted without committing crimes and mages should be stricter because they are more dangerous.", accusing me of thinking mages are guilty of crimes for existing is stupid. At least accuse me of something I can't disprove with a simple quote.
So the logical consequence of freedom of normal people being restricted is to restrict that of mages even more (to the point of being counterproductive and likely causing more of the problems they are trying to avoid). Not to say... trying to remove those restriction on those normal people?
Or are you saying normal people should be restricted in those ways, as do mages and only those in power/of noble blood should enjoy being free of them?
*snip*
Knight-Commander Meredith make sure to give King Alistair a rash N **** over the concept of giving freedom to mages. It's kind of funny actually
My reaction on Alistair in DA2 was only "WTF happened to your face 
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Is the police force ineffectual if they deal with criminals but not diseases? Different services within society deal with different threats to the population. Or, ideally, that is what happens.
Powerful and potentially dangerous individuals are powerful and potentially dangerous individuals. There's no difference in the case we're discussing. Besides, locking up some as children and for the rest of their lives while merely punishing the others post action is utterly unfair, given the "problem" is essentially the same in both cases.
Yeah, I wanted to slap the ****** for telling my Wardens lover that he was doing the kingship wrong. Then they had Foina go plot stupid in DAI, sadly.
Knight-Commander Meredith make sure to give King Alistair a rash N **** over the concept of giving freedom to mages. It's kind of funny actually
My reaction on Alistair in DA2 was only "WTF happened to your face
His face isn't all that bad.
His face isn't all that bad.
Still compared to his face in DAO it is like Alistair went Shrek in DA2 lol
Still compared to his face in DAO it is like Alistair went Shrek in DA2 lol
You think his face is bad...
Look at his face as a drunken bastard.
Anyone who does this should be a shame of themselves.
I will tell you this.
The day I agree that INNOCENT LIVES should be taken for someone else's mistakes...that day I will say "PRAISE TERRORISM AND TERRORISTS BECAUSE TERRORISM IS ONLY WAY" that same day I will say "Anders you cool bro!"...
Until that day which I doubt will ever come Anders is and will be just terrorist scum for me for who even death is just reward for what he has done!
---Case closed---
You know people have a thing to label everything terrorism these days. It was political motivated hit instead of spreading terror.
Even so it is justified what anders did. The mages are currently are suffering on the behalf of the common population and the common population doesnt seem to be so appreciative of the sacrifice the mages are making for them. Spoiled little shits the whole lot of them.
Powerful and potentially dangerous individuals are powerful and potentially dangerous individuals. There's no difference in the case we're discussing. Besides, locking up some as children and for the rest of their lives while merely punishing the others post action is utterly unfair, given the "problem" is essentially the same in both cases.
As we discussed before, there is a difference in quantity. No normal child could ever do what Connor did.
I believe that justifies the Circle. You believe it doesn't.
You know people have a thing to label everything terrorism these days. It was political motivated hit instead of spreading terror.
Even so it is justified what anders did. The mages are currently are suffering on the behalf of the common population and the common population doesnt seem to be so appreciative of the sacrifice the mages are making for them. Spoiled little shits the whole lot of them.
I could comment at length on how it is terrorism in the classical sense but I belive the OP asked people to get off anders and the chantry explosion and back to the original topic.
You know people have a thing to label everything terrorism these days. It was political motivated hit instead of spreading terror.
Even so it is justified what anders did. The mages are currently are suffering on the behalf of the common population and the common population doesnt seem to be so appreciative of the sacrifice the mages are making for them. Spoiled little shits the whole lot of them.
Instead it is better to start discussing Merril
So once again Anders case closed! Don't want to see any more discussion about terrorists or whatever in this thread so get back to the topic!
Well then in this case...have I ever told you how much sexy Corypheus's voice is 
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You know people have a thing to label everything terrorism these days. It was political motivated hit instead of spreading terror.
Even so it is justified what anders did. The mages are currently are suffering on the behalf of the common population and the common population doesnt seem to be so appreciative of the sacrifice the mages are making for them. Spoiled little shits the whole lot of them.
You're joking right? Please tell me you're joking?
Terror was specifically the end goal of blowing up the chantry. He wanted people to fear the mages enough to convince Meredith and her templars to declare the rite of annulment. Forcing the rest of the mages to act. Either fight the templars and escape or fight the templars and die. Because 'anything's better' than staying in those comfy circles. Terror wasn't a biproduct of what he did. It was THE goal.
You're joking right? Please tell me you're joking?
Terror was specifically the end goal of blowing up the chantry. He wanted people to fear the mages enough to convince Meredith and her templars to declare the rite of annulment. Forcing the rest of the mages to act. Either fight the templars and escape or fight the templars and die. Because 'anything's better' than staying in those comfy circles. Terror wasn't a biproduct of what he did. It was THE goal.
I could coment on how stupid this sounds due to the fact I heard this same argument from the old Southren white slave owners in defense of slavery. But hey anything is better than fighting for your freedoms and rights as a human. I have heard the same argument from my own father, who basicly says that most slaves were treated well and very comfortable and thus shouldn't have complained about their treatment or fighting for their rights to be free.
Yeah, I argued against this reasoning because it's a natual reaction to want freedom. And no terror was not the end goal, at least, I know what terrorism actually means and makes sure it fits the dead before I state that this was terrorism.
Terrorism is an act of (or at least the threat of) violence with the intention of creating fear. That fits Anders actions to a tee.
Violent action- check.
Intention to create fear- check.
Disregard for the safety of innocents and non-combatants- check.
Not going to comment on the rest of your post because it seems like a lot of nonsense and putting words into my mouth. I'm not sure if you're trying to call me a racist or comparing me to slave owners or something ridiculous like that.
Also, circle mages aren't slaves. "I know what terrorism slavery actually means."
You're joking right? Please tell me you're joking?
Terror was specifically the end goal of blowing up the chantry. He wanted people to fear the mages enough to convince Meredith and her templars to declare the rite of annulment. Forcing the rest of the mages to act. Either fight the templars and escape or fight the templars and die. Because 'anything's better' than staying in those comfy circles. Terror wasn't a biproduct of what he did. It was THE goal.
Then by your definition every single act of war is terrorism. But terrorism is subjugating your opponents by making them so afraid they cannot resist you. If Anders Destroyed the chantry and causes the chantry to give in to his demands out of fear that would be classified as terrorism. But that was not his intention, his intention was to spark a war. So this was a political assassination
I actually got this after DA2, not DAI. Mainly because every other mage you met in Kirkwall was either totally insane or a mustache twirling blood mage. I actually thought Meredith was right despite all the misdeeds, because they are dangerous.
Then Bioware goes and laughs at the idea of choice.
By your own words every act of war would be classifyed as terroism, I am not calling you racist ectTerrorism is an act of (or at least the threat of) violence with the intention of creating fear. That fits Anders actions to a tee.
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Violent action- check.
Intention to create fear- check.
Disregard for the safety of innocents and non-combatants- check.
Not going to comment on the rest of your post because it seems like a lot of nonsense and putting words into my mouth. I'm not sure if you're trying to call me a racist or comparing me to slave owners or something ridiculous like that.
Also, circle mages aren't slaves. "I know whatterrorismslavery actually means."
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