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[MisterJB]

Templars complain there are mages guilty of attrocities using the Inquisition as a shield and that someone should bring them to justice.

Mages complain their pillows aren't soft enough.

[SnakeCode]

Let's see, merely complaining about living conditions after being confined to towers for most of their lives and never being treated as equals vs. templars complaining about not being able to punish mages and not caring about the big hole in the sky because hunting mages is more important than actually helping the world.

 

By all means, lets focus on a simple complaint about living space rather than hunting mages by the Templars. But those poor templars can hunt any mages they want regardless of situation! Think of the poor Templar who can't abuse whoever they want!

That isn't why they complain. They complain that the quarters aren't up to their usual standards. Their usual standards of course, being what they were used to having in the Circles.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Templars complain there are mages guilty of attrocities using the Inquisition as a shield and that someone should bring them to justice.

Mages complain their pillows aren't soft enough.

Do you even know what atrocities these mages committed? For all you know, it could be self-defense. You think the mages accused are mass murderers but if they were, don't you think Cass or others would have done something? The fact that Cass casually dismisses it pretty much implies the Templar complaints are petty. How would you feel if the atrocities really were things like self-defense?

[Milan92]

She knows that there are more important matters going on.

[Steelcan]

Do you even know what atrocities these mages committed? For all you know, it could be self-defense. You think the mages accused are mass murderers but if they were, don't you think Cass or others would have done something? The fact that Cass casually dismisses it pretty much implies the Templar complaints are petty. How would you feel if the atrocities really were things like self-defense?

Do you have proof they were acts of delf defense, and not say attacking villagers and whatnot?

 

That Cassandra lets them stay means little when the organization is as desperate for recruits when they are

[MisterJB]

This being the same Cass that used someone she thought had blown up the Conclave.

 

The Templars want to punish mages who are guilty of attrocities.

The mages want bigger quarters and to decide their roomates.

 

Now, whose concerns are petty?

[Ryriena]

This being the same Cass that used someone she thought had blown up the Conclave.
 
The Templars want to punish mages who are guilty of attrocities.
The mages want bigger quarters and to decide their roomates.
 
Now, whose concerns are petty?

How do you know they were guilty of atrocities? It's the word of one angry templar with no prove to back up his claims. Heck he probaly means Dorian or for that matter Solas.

[Boost32]

Yup I agree Cole does reveal some juicy stuff about our 'Madam De Fer'.
For one we learn how she never loved Bastien but found him disgusting.Also it tells how Vivienne hold no love for templars,only reason why she is doing what she is doing is to gain power so she can control everything because as you mentioned "No one shall control me again" quote says it all.Even when Inquisitor asks her if there will ever be something between them Vivienne responds with "And what am I to gain from that?" which is proof that she is not woman capable of loving anyone except more power.

Thaís not true, the one who said Bastien is disgusting is the noble who insults you in her recruitment. She is offended and set a trap for him to insult you at the ball.
Here is the conversation:

Spoiler

Cole: Stepping into the parlor, hem of my gown snagged, no, adjust before I go in, must look perfect.
Vivienne: My dear, your pet is speaking again. Do silence it.
Cole: Voices inside. Marquis Alphonse.
Cole: "I do hope Duke Bastien puts out the lights before he touches her. But then, she must disappear in the dark."
Cole: Gown tight between my fingers, cold all over. Unacceptable. Wheels turn, strings pull.
Cole: He hurt you. You left a letter, let out a lie so he would do something foolish against the Inquisition. A trap.
Vivienne: Inquisitor, as your demon lacks manners, perhaps you could get Solas to train it.

And the control part, she was referring the demon, not the templars.

You should not faabricate truth just because you dont like her.

[Boost32]

How do you know they were guilty of atrocities? It's the word of one angry templar with no prove to back up his claims. Heck he probaly means Dorian or for that matter Solas.

But Solas is guilty! You dont know it at the time, but the templar was right =P

[Ryriena]

But Solas is guilty! You dont know it at the time, but the templar was right =P

I am just going to ignore Solas, I mean Fen'hale giving the orb to Coryphnus.

[Ryriena]

Thaís not true, the one who said Bastien is disgusting is the noble who insults you in her recruitment. She is offended and set a trap for him to insult you at the ball.
Here is the conversation:

Spoiler

Cole: Stepping into the parlor, hem of my gown snagged, no, adjust before I go in, must look perfect.
Vivienne: My dear, your pet is speaking again. Do silence it.
Cole: Voices inside. Marquis Alphonse.
Cole: "I do hope Duke Bastien puts out the lights before he touches her. But then, she must disappear in the dark."
Cole: Gown tight between my fingers, cold all over. Unacceptable. Wheels turn, strings pull.
Cole: He hurt you. You left a letter, let out a lie so he would do something foolish against the Inquisition. A trap.
Vivienne: Inquisitor, as your demon lacks manners, perhaps you could get Solas to train it.

And the control part, she was referring the demon, not the templars.
You should not faabricate truth just because you dont like her.

Also keep telling yourself this as he does say no one will control her again

[Lord Raijin]

I am only going to say this once. The purpose of the Circle is NOT to serve as a prison or sweatshop, and so its inhabitants are not by definition prisoners or slaves. It is a sanctuary and school with free room-and-board as per the official documents that established them in the first place. If the Circle is not satisfying this goal, then the issue is with the Circle overseers, not the Circle institution itself, for we know of Circles that operate as intended and it proves both effective and desirable to mages and non-mages alike.

 

When is the last time you played as a mage in orgins?

 

 

The Circle is very much like a prison as a refugee. David Gaider even confirmed this. Mages are not slaves, thought. Just a prisoner of the Chantry.

[TheLoreSeeker]

Asking if the mages in DA:I proved in the slightest that they deserved their freedom insiuates that they needed to prove it at all.

They are (in most cases) abused and treated like second class citizens. They suffer endless atrocities at the hands of the templars, just because "thats the way it is".

Not all Templars are bad; Cullen proves that and so do Barris and other examples throughout the series. But that doesn't make locking people up for being different righteous. And at no point should the mages have to prove that they deserve to be treated like everyone else.

Do they need to be protected? Yes. Do they need to have people who can counter them incase something bad happens? Yes.
But they shouldn't be jailed. They should be educated in controlling their abilities.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Wynne's story on how her child was taken from her is just one of the reasons why I will never side with the Templars. I will NEVER support something like that ever occurring. I wonder how many pro-templars would support having their children taken away from them and being told that they will never see their own children again. 

[MisterJB]

Wynne's story on how her child was taken from her is just one of the reasons why I will never side with the Templars. I will NEVER support something like that ever occurring. I wonder how many pro-templars would support having their children taken away from them and being told that they will never see their own children again. 

There would be no point. We are not mages.

[MisterJB]

How do you know they were guilty of atrocities? It's the word of one angry templar with no prove to back up his claims. Heck he probaly means Dorian or for that matter Solas.

The game uses the words "we know are guilty" to bring the point across.

Even if we assume they aren't, what count is the intention. The Templars seek to punish the guilty; the mages miss their comforts.

Unless you intend to suggest the Templars was deliberately lying to conceal some plot? In which case, the same is as applicable to the mages. 

 

[thesuperdarkone2]

The game uses the words "we know are guilty" to bring the point across.

Even if we assume they aren't, what count is the intention. The Templars seek to punish the guilty; the mages miss their comforts.

Unless you intend to suggest the Templars was deliberately lying to conceal some plot? In which case, the same is as applicable to the mages. 

So if the mages complained that the Inquisition isn't punishing Templars they know are guilty of atrocities, you'd be okay with that?

[Lord Raijin]

Asking if the mages in DA:I proved in the slightest that they deserved their freedom insiuates that they needed to prove it at all.

They are (in most cases) abused and treated like second class citizens. They suffer endless atrocities at the hands of the templars, just because "thats the way it is".

Not all Templars are bad; Cullen proves that and so do Barris and other examples throughout the series. But that doesn't make locking people up for being different righteous. And at no point should the mages have to prove that they deserve to be treated like everyone else.

Do they need to be protected? Yes. Do they need to have people who can counter them incase something bad happens? Yes.
But they shouldn't be jailed. They should be educated in controlling their abilities.

 

Cullen was a terrible Templar. I just LOVE hearing his anti mage rants in DA2... even as a mage he still unsults them.

 

"Mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you and me. They are weapons. They have the power to light a city on fire in a fit of pique." - Knight-Captain Cullen

 

I was nervous about him throwing me inside his mage prison, as a mage.

[In Exile]

The game uses the words "we know are guilty" to bring the point across.

Even if we assume they aren't, what count is the intention. The Templars seek to punish the guilty; the mages miss their comforts.

Unless you intend to suggest the Templars was deliberately lying to conceal some plot? In which case, the same is as applicable to the mages. 

 

Guilty of what? On what standard of proof? Using what evidence? 

It takes more than raving about guilt to claim the moral high ground. 

[Boost32]

Guilty of what? On what standard of proof? Using what evidence? 

It takes more than raving about guilt to claim the moral high ground.

His sixth sense can detect Solas! He was right the while time!

[Steelcan]

Guilty of what? On what standard of proof? Using what evidence? 

It takes more than raving about guilt to claim the moral high ground. 

likely crimes against civilian populations, prisoners, or surrendering templars

 

they could have gone around slaughtering bunnies, but I don't think that's it

[thesuperdarkone2]

Guilty of what? On what standard of proof? Using what evidence? 

It takes more than raving about guilt to claim the moral high ground. 

This. I bet if it was a mage complaining about templar atrocities, people would just ignore them but since it's a templar, they're right. Just like how if a templar does something bad, that was just an exception but if a mage does something bad, all mages deserve to be condemned.

[Steelcan]

This. I bet if it was a mage complaining about templar atrocities, people would just ignore them but since it's a templar, they're right. Just like how if a templar does something bad, that was just an exception but if a mage does something bad, all mages deserve to be condemned.

you must have been a great hurdler in high school with all the jumping you do

[MisterJB]

So if the mages complained that the Inquisition isn't punishing Templars they know are guilty of atrocities, you'd be okay with that?

It would be a more commendable complaint than "the rustic village that was never meant to house an army only has really small rooms.", yes.

[AlexiaRevan]

I still and will always be pro-Mages . I'm not gonna be swayed by poor writting and switch my mind because of that . Mages deserve their freedom , the chantry deserve to be changed , and the Templars deserve to be abolished .