likely crimes against civilian populations, prisoners, or surrendering templars
they could have gone around slaughtering bunnies, but I don't think that's it
Or maybe their rebellion against the Chantry. But let's say this is being alleged. Where's the proof that it was the mages that joined the Inquisition?
I mean the guy is clearly convinced, and we don't have any reason to doubt his accusations since we know mages part of the rebellion committed what we would consider war crimes.
I've been anti-Mage since DA2. DA:I proved that it wasn't just Kirkwall. Mages need to be kept under heavy ****** watch. Not to say that what some Templars do to abuse their power isn't wrong, that needs to be monitored as well. But the mages have proven that the system of the chantry does more overall good for society than bad.
In a sense that is backwards-reasoning. The chantry is right because the mages that wanted to free themselves from the chantry killed people. Thats roughly the same as "Beating the Zoo-tiger is actually good because sometimes abused tigers attack their abusers."
The Circle-System basically creates those monsters due to the mages abjection of being randomly jailed for the rest of their lives. Then, when the mages lash out, trying to forcefully claim the freedom they wouldn't get any other way the chantry goes "See? Those people we abused are killing us now. they would have done the same without us abusing them. We told you we were right."
It's funny how easy it is for people to completely reject human rights the moment they can distance themselves from the problem. When the police storms your house and tells you you will serve a life sentence cause you're going to become a killer someday, you would probably like THEM to offer a shred of evidence as to why you'd kill someone and why they believe they can judge your future intentions, right? You wouldn't just go "Damn, I can't prove I'll never kill someone in the future. Better take me to jail. I deseve it."
Now that there's a similar problem (and yes, being a mage does not mean you're twisted enough to seek blood magic just like holding a butterknife doesn't mean you'll definitely stab someones eye with it) and many people that have been jailed for 10, 20, 30 and more years on such ridiculous claims break out of jail and oppose the police that robbed them of their freedom many people here go "Nah, they have no right to be angry, if they oppose the flawed system they just prove they were guilty all along."
The Circle is (amusingly implied in its name) kept alive by a circular line of reasoning.
"This dog might bite. I should kick it to teach it its place."
"Dang, the dog bit me cause I kicked it."
"I have now proven the dog bites, so I'm free to kick it some more."
So basicly your saying just because the guy sounded convinced we should beleive him, I mean come on that is stupid logic.I mean the guy is clearly convinced, and we don't have any reason to doubt his accusations since we know mages part of the rebellion committed what we would consider war crimes.
So basicly your saying just because the guy sounded convinced we should beleive him, I mean come on that is stupid logic.
I'm saying its probably got some truth to it
The Mage/Templar stuff in DAI is really rather lame. Both sides just act like idiots to provide early adversaries and then get them out of the way for the Inquisition. Then they're basically forgotten about for the rest of the game except for those of the Templars who get Cerberused. And then it's all resolved in the phoned-in next Divine stuff based on a bunch of stuff that's not really related to the issue. And maybe Leliana solves the whole problem through hugs or something.
Have you admit you have a point there. I ultimately don't mind how BW chose to resolve the conflict, but I did expect it to be a bigger deal than what we ended up getting.
The Mage/Templar stuff in DAI is really rather lame. Both sides just act like idiots to provide early adversaries and then get them out of the way for the Inquisition. Then they're basically forgotten about for the rest of the game except for those of the Templars who get Cerberused. And then it's all resolved in the phoned-in next Divine stuff based on a bunch of stuff that's not really related to the issue. And maybe Leliana solves the whole problem through hugs or something.
not to mention the "security vs freedom" debate has become overplayed to the point of cliche
Have you admit you have a point there. I ultimately don't mind how BW chose to resolve the conflict, but I did expect it to be a bigger deal than what we ended up getting.
Well I think the devs did say that this would be the last game where the mage/templar stuff would have a focus so that's why our choices regarding mages and templars are what they are.
I've been anti-Mage since DA2. DA:I proved that it wasn't just Kirkwall. Mages need to be kept under heavy ****** watch. Not to say that what some Templars do to abuse their power isn't wrong, that needs to be monitored as well. But the mages have proven that the system of the chantry does more overall good for society than bad.
The Chantry does more harm to society than good. They preach about bigotry and hate. They intentionally poison their armies with a highly addictive compound so that they can be used as involuntary servitude of the Chantry. They're an equivalent of a drug lord. The same logic applies for Mages and the phylacteries (Surprise! Surprise! It's blood magic! I thought Blood magic was evil in the eye of the Chantry yet they don't mind using it for their own advantages!!) used to track them down if the Circle mage chooses to no longer follow their teachings. Mages are only useful to the Chantry during times of war.
The Chantry created this mess Between the Mages and the Templar's.
I've been anti-Mage since DA2. DA:I proved that it wasn't just Kirkwall. Mages need to be kept under heavy ****** watch. Not to say that what some Templars do to abuse their power isn't wrong, that needs to be monitored as well. But the mages have proven that the system of the chantry does more overall good for society than bad.
The irony here is that this line of thinking is precisely why the Circles and Chantry failed miserably. Keeping people under heavy guard with few personal freedoms simply for what they are and what it's supposed that they might do, rather than what they've done, is inevitably going to end badly. There's no avoiding it. You can't just imprison and abuse innocent people and expect there not to be a sh*tstorm to follow.
So we should go back to the pre-circle solution of just killing the mages with angry mobs instead then? Because without the circles and templars to protect them, that is what is going to happen to a significant number of them...The irony here is that this line of thinking is precisely why the Circles and Chantry failed miserably. Keeping people under heavy guard with few personal freedoms simply for what they are and what it's supposed that they might do, rather than what they've done, is inevitably going to end badly. There's no avoiding it. You can't just imprison and abuse innocent people and expect there not to be a sh*tstorm to follow.
I was going to reply to this then but I think I'll just save myself another headache. People will have different opinions and I just think that we should all accept that and just call it a night. Most people here already have a set opinion and every post here is just preaching to whatever side of the choir you belong too i guess.
The irony here is that this line of thinking is precisely why the Circles and Chantry failed miserably. Keeping people under heavy guard with few personal freedoms simply for what they are and what it's supposed that they might do, rather than what they've done, is inevitably going to end badly. There's no avoiding it. You can't just imprison and abuse innocent people and expect there not to be a sh*tstorm to follow.
Better yet, I didn't feel sympathy for anyone in DAI.
Yeah, they are constantly reminding the Inquisitor/Hawke/The Warden that not everyone used blood magic. The amount of blood magic being used is pretty damn high though. I am still on the mages side, but I find myself slowly being swayed to the templars.
So we should go back to the pre-circle solution of just killing the mages with angry mobs instead then? Because without the circles and templars to protect them, that is what is going to happen to a significant number of them...
No. The Chantry should learn from centuries of mistakes and improve it by going forward with change. Mages don't need the protection of the Chantry and their Templars if they were allowed to be free. Mundanes and mages can coexist with each other without the help from the Chantry. Empress Celene hired Morrigan, an apostate Mage, to be her arcane adviser. Those who master the pyromancer skill can be perfect for blacksmith employment if they do not desire to use their magic in a destructive ways.
The Circle should ONLY be used as a source of education for young inexperienced mages. In fact the Chantry shouldn't even have control over it. It should be run by the state government.
Yeah, they are constantly reminding the Inquisitor/Hawke/The Warden that not everyone used blood magic. The amount of blood magic being used is pretty damn high though. I am still on the mages side, but I find myself slowly being swayed to the templars.
My Hawke was a blood mage 
I'm sadden to see that it wasn't pointed out in DA: I. Just because a mage choose to be a blood mage doesn't mean thast they're corrupted, and considered evil.
My Hawke was a blood mage
Isn't a part of becoming a blood mage making a deal with a demon? I know its not a requirement when becoming it in DA2 but it was in DA:O
Isn't a part of becoming a blood mage making a deal with a demon? I know its not a requirement when becoming it in DA2 but it was in DA:O
In Dragon Age: Origins you can purchase a Blood mage book, which will unlock the Blood Mage specialization.
http://dragonage.wik...ual:_Blood_Mage
I still feel for the mages more than the Templars in DA:I.
Templars: Ser Barris said it best. He is shamed either way. Either the lord seeker was already possessed or replaced and they didn't notice or the demon snuck in right under their noses and took him from them. Although I do feel for Barris and those that remained true. Conscripting them is the best option out of all 4 in the game I think. Especially if you have Cass rebuild the Seekers - they go Cullen's route and get free of lyrium and join the seekers.
Mages: The scum bag mages and templars roaming Hinterlands killing each other with no regard to the people or the land get zero sympathy. The mages that followed Fiona to Redcliffe - I totally feel for. They want something better, they are holed up in Redcliffe looking for options and then Fiona sells them back into slavery with Tevinter and Tevinter kicks out the Arl and I assmue his soldiers who might actually have been able to protect them till they figured things out.
In Dragon Age: Origins you can purchase a Blood mage book, which will unlock the Blood Mage specialization.
Yeah but that was in the dlc.
Yeah but that was in the dlc.
Corypheus was a DLC villian in DA2 yet he became the main antagonists in DA: I
DLCs are considered cannon
Corypheus was a DLC villian in DA2 yet he became the main antagonists in DA: I
DLCs are considered cannon
So its cannon that you can learn blood magic from books? That sounds lame. I will still stay away from it though.
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