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[MikaelNovasun]

Mages being allowed complete freedom with no oversight.....Yea that has worked out so well in the history of Thedas. You have two examples of mages having complete freedom, tervinter and the elven empire. And in both cases those with the least power were\are made into slaves. I will agree that the chantry/circle system is broke, but the mages need some form of oversight.

[Unpleasant Implications]

I'm not anti-Mage because they oppose the the Chantry. For most of DA2 I was pro-Mage rights. I stopped being that when an abomination blew up up the chantry, and after years of dealing with insane blood mages, I couldn't stand how ridiculous I'd look in the end game of Kirkwall screaming "Not all mages!" While the Grand Cleric was roasted to a finely well done dark brown and the First Enchanter turned into an abomination(while in self defense if you joined the Templars, him doing so if you supported the mages is certainly... Regret inducing). I'm not anti-Mage because they oppose the Chantry. I'm anti-Mage because they do it so stupidly and self-destructively that I can't support them without feeling like a moron.

[Ogillardetta]

I'm not anti-Mage because they oppose the the Chantry. For most of DA2 I was pro-Mage rights. I stopped being that when an abomination blew up up the chantry, and after years of dealing with insane blood mages, I couldn't stand how ridiculous I'd look in the end game of Kirkwall screaming "Not all mages!" While the Grand Cleric was roasted to a finely well done dark brown and the First Enchanter turned into an abomination(while in self defense if you joined the Templars, him doing so if you supported the mages is certainly... Regret inducing). I'm not anti-Mage because they oppose the Chantry. I'm anti-Mage because they do it so stupidly and self-destructively that I can't support them without feeling like a moron.

I was pro mage in da:o pro mage in da:2 but I just couldn't do it in Da:I they screwed up too many times. Fiona was the straw that broke the camels back.

[Lord Raijin]

So its cannon that you can learn blood magic from books? That sounds lame. I will still stay away from it though.

 

According to Dragon Age wikia the art can be taught by a blood mage to an apprentice or self-taught via manual, it can also be learned by contacting a demon, with the risk of becoming an abomination.

[Ogillardetta]

According to Dragon Age wikia the art can be taught by a blood mage to an apprentice or self-taught via manual, it can also be learned by contacting a demon, with the risk of becoming an abomination.

And that risk is something to be weary of. After Merril I'm having a hard time trusting any bloodmage.

[Uccio]

Mages being allowed complete freedom with no oversight.....Yea that has worked out so well in the history of Thedas. You have two examples of mages having complete freedom, tervinter and the elven empire. And in both cases those with the least power were\are made into slaves. I will agree that the chantry/circle system is broke, but the mages need some form of oversight.

 

That is rather funny, people who have magical abilities are bad because they have the potential of being bad and needs to be supervised?  What about the number of lords and kings and kingdoms in Thedas who are mundanes/run by mundanes and are oppressing people left and right. Having slaves and whatnot, what about them?

[Ogillardetta]

That is rather funny, people who have magical abilities are bad because they have the potential of being bad and needs to be supervised?  What about the number of lords and kings and kingdoms in Thedas who are mundanes/run by mundanes and are oppressing people left and right. Having slaves and whatnot, what about them?

I think that they are just as bad.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Pro-mage.

 

I'm just partial to the concept of innocent until proven guilty, I guess.

[The Baconer]

I mean the guy is clearly convinced, and we don't have any reason to doubt his accusations since we know mages part of the rebellion committed what we would consider war crimes.

 

We also know of Templars who were guilty of the same, but everyone at Haven has been given a new purpose. They should be focused on their own repentance, which is why they were brought under the Inquisition's jurisdiction in the first place.

[Ogillardetta]

We also know of Templars who were guilty of the same, but everyone at Haven has been given a new purpose. They should be focused on their own repentance, which is why they were brought under the Inquisition's jurisdiction in the first place.

Yeah and the mages seem to be focused on whining when they join the inquistion.

[Lord Raijin]

Mages being allowed complete freedom with no oversight.....Yea that has worked out so well in the history of Thedas. You have two examples of mages having complete freedom, tervinter and the elven empire. And in both cases those with the least power were\are made into slaves. I will agree that the chantry/circle system is broke, but the mages need some form of oversight.

 

Care to explain why the Tevinter Imperium gets an antagonistic effect when it comes down to discussing about total freedom of mages?

 

*sarcastic voice*

I had no idea that all mages are represented by the Tevinter Imperium. We must lock away all mages so they don't get the idea of starting Tevinter Imperium 2.0 in the south Yup! That's what the Chantry wants you to believe.

 

Good job The Chantry taught you well.

 

An addition I seem to recall Dorian mentioning about slavory in the Tevinter Imperium an alternative to starvation, homelessness and/or a life of danger or uncertainty. Like the situation with Krems father. She refuse to marry a wealthy merchant son, and took off thus forced her father to sell himself into slavery to save his family from poverty, since he was drove out of business.
 

[The Baconer]

Yeah and the mages seem to be focused on whining when they join the inquistion.

 

I don't care. 

[Poison_Berrie]

I was pro mage in da:o pro mage in da:2 but I just couldn't do it in Da:I they screwed up too many times. Fiona was the straw that broke the camels back.

Seriously, though, which factions hasn't by now?

 

That is rather funny, people who have magical abilities are bad because they have the potential of being bad and needs to be supervised?  What about the number of lords and kings and kingdoms in Thedas who are mundanes/run by mundanes and are oppressing people left and right. Having slaves and whatnot, what about them?

The Orlesian Game uses people like their disposable income and has a tendency to consume it's players so much that things like a demons pouring out of the sky/veil tears is something on the side. 

Yep let's just lock about everybody up.

[Ogillardetta]

I don't care. 

Well thats how I feel abot fionas feeling so yeah. I just wish we could separarte fiona and the tevinter followers from the real mages who should be free. 

[Akkos]

In DAI, you either side with real templars or "rebel mages". Is not like in DAO or DA2 where they were real mages..

 

Those rebel mages are considered maleficarums.

[Ogillardetta]

Seriously, though, which factions hasn't by now?

 

The Orlesian Game uses people like their disposable income and has a tendency to consume it's players so much that things like a demons pouring out of the sky/veil tears is something on the side. 

Yep let's just lock about everybody up.

With anders blowing up the chantry and Fiona betraying her people I just don't know anymore. I just want to do damage control and then think about freedoms while getting as few people killed in the process.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Mages are alright. It's just to bad their leader was shite. 

[Ogillardetta]

Mages are alright. It's just to bad their leader was shite. 

This. I wish there was a way to support them but punish Fiona.

[ComedicSociopathy]

This. I wish there was a way to support them but punish Fiona.

 

By the Maker, why couldn't the mages get a Ser-Barass equivalent who could actually get things done and clean up the image of mages everywhere.  

[Ogillardetta]

By the Maker, why couldn't the mages get a Ser-Barass equivalent who could actually get things done and clean up the image of mages everywhere.  

Yeah then I would support them.

[Lord Raijin]

In DAI, you either side with real templars or "rebel mages". Is not like in DAO or DA2 where they were real mages..

 

Those rebel mages are considered maleficarums.

 

 They're called maleficarums now? Can you prove to me that the rebel mages turn into nothing but ruthless blood mages? Real mages? Is their any fake ones that I'm not aware of?

 

Vivienne is the leader of the loyalist while Fiona is the leader of the rebel mages.. Both parties are real mages just have different poltical views, and agenda.

[KaiserShep]

By the Maker, why couldn't the mages get a Ser-Barass equivalent who could actually get things done and clean up the image of mages everywhere.  

Yeah, in retrospect, I do wish that it wasn't Fiona, but the real trick is having a more respectable mage leader while still somehow fitting the Tevinter plot in. As it is, their very presence in Redcliffe makes that seem kind of impossible.

[Ogillardetta]

Yeah, in retrospect, I do wish that it wasn't Fiona, but the real trick is having a more respectable mage leader while still somehow fitting the Tevinter plot in. As it is, their very presence in Redcliffe makes that seem kind of impossible.

Its not their presence in redcliffe its their weird alliance with tevinter and the kicking out the arl that makes it hard for me.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Yeah, in retrospect, I do wish that it wasn't Fiona, but the real trick is having a more respectable mage leader while still somehow fitting the Tevinter plot in. As it is, their very presence in Redcliffe makes that seem kind of impossible.

 

Fiona almost managed to make Adrian and that abomination, terrorist, mass-murdering lunatic and moron Anders look like better candidates for leadership over the mage rebellion. 

 

I suppose she at least she managed to impressive in some fashion. 

[SnakeCode]

Yeah, in retrospect, I do wish that it wasn't Fiona, but the real trick is having a more respectable mage leader while still somehow fitting the Tevinter plot in. As it is, their very presence in Redcliffe makes that seem kind of impossible.

The only other way you could do it is have the Venatori take Redcliffe by force. But that would paint the mages as blameless, and would favour doing that quest over the templar quest. It would be painting the mages in a far better light than the templars (which to be fair, many players would like) which is something Bioware explicitly tried to not do.