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[SmilesJA]

In some form? In Dragon Age 2 Legacy Corypheus called on Dumat to lend him some power and he got it. While it was probably the result of his advanced magical skill, It got me thinking: Did the Old Gods survive after being slain? 

[Elhanan]

I am guessing a lot of the ancient gods are extant, as the Wardens were willing to go on a pre-emptive hunt, and Solas went around shoring the Veil that supposedly held the spirits and demons from crossing easily into this world, even after professing a desire opposing that ability. And from what I have seen, while an Old god may be powerful, it is not up to these other beings with a thirst for power.

[xJLxKing]

There is no evidence to suggest that they live after the Wardens kill them.

[Colonelkillabee]

There is no evidence to suggest that they live after the Wardens kill them.

There's also none saying they're dead. Like I said in my thread on this section of the forum, where did anyone get the idea that a soul cancels out a soul? Especially a god's soul by a mere mortal's? Does anyone here actually buy that?

 

And this suggests they're alive if you think it's the old gods saying it:

 

• WE ARE HERE
• WE HAVE WAITED
• WE HAVE SLEPT
• WE ARE SUNDERED
• WE ARE CRIPPLED
• WE ARE POLLUTED
• WE ENDURE
• WE WAIT
• WE HAVE FOUND THE DREAMS AGAIN
• WE WILL AWAKEN

 

http://forum.bioware...-us-all-theory/

[xJLxKing]

There's also none saying they're dead. Like I said in my thread on this section of the forum, where did anyone get the idea that a soul cancels out a soul? Especially a god's soul by a mere mortal's? Does anyone here actually buy that?

 

And this suggests they're alive if you think it's the old gods saying it:

 

• WE ARE HERE
• WE HAVE WAITED
• WE HAVE SLEPT
• WE ARE SUNDERED
• WE ARE CRIPPLED
• WE ARE POLLUTED
• WE ENDURE
• WE WAIT
• WE HAVE FOUND THE DREAMS AGAIN
• WE WILL AWAKEN

 

http://forum.bioware...-us-all-theory/

Actually there is evidence. Once a Warden kills a Archdemon, the calling stops, they don't try about it, or seem him in his sleep. The blight also ends because there is no one to lead them

 

If they are alive in some other form, there is NO indication whatsoever. The quote you posted seem to be talking about Darkspawn in general, but that's up for interpretations. 

 

Also, I can't prove a negative, so saying, there is no prove that they are "truly" dead is wrong way. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Actually there is evidence. Once a Warden kills a Archdemon, the calling stops, they don't try about it, or seem him in his sleep. The blight also ends because there is no one to lead them

 

If they are alive in some other form, there is NO indication whatsoever. The quote you posted seem to be talking about Darkspawn in general, but that's up for interpretations. 

 

Also, I can't prove a negative, so saying, there is no prove that they are "truly" dead is wrong way. 

That's not really evidence, the calling can be something they control for all we know. That or it stops because they're no longer on this plane.

 

There's no proof for any of that.

[Avejajed]

I'm not sold that the archdemons are the old gods in the flesh, maybe just a part of them, like Voldemort and his snake.

I haven't thought out the theory so I have no proof. Lol.

[Steelcan]

Urthemiel (sp?) is dependent on the DR

 

Dumat is probably still around in dome form or another

 

then there's the two left in the Deep Roads

[Kantr]

Cory was in a temple of Dumat. Presumably there was power left over. The whole reason he went into the fade was because Dumat (the god of silence) stopped communicating with him. In the final battle he calls out to Dumat.
 
The whole point of the DR is to save the soul. Only a willing posession does not result in mutual annihilation
 

[Kantr]

There's also none saying they're dead. Like I said in my thread on this section of the forum, where did anyone get the idea that a soul cancels out a soul? Especially a god's soul by a mere mortal's? Does anyone here actually buy that?
 
And this suggests they're alive if you think it's the old gods saying it:

 
http://forum.bioware...-us-all-theory/

Just because it's in the fade doesnt mean it's recent.

Also the fact that a warden dies on absorbtion of the soul shows you that unwilling possession cancels it out

[Colonelkillabee]

Just because it's in the fade doesnt mean it's recent.

Also the fact that a warden dies on absorbtion of the soul shows you that unwilling possession cancels it out

No, cancels out insinuates nothing is left of the soul. The soul is destroyed. The soul doesn't need to be destroyed for that to happen. For all we know, the old god's soul is just attracted to the warden's body and due to their soul being present along with the taint, cannot complete the transfer and simply goes away like any other soul.

 

There's no reason a god's soul would be cancelled out by a much weaker mortal's. Notice Corypheus' is not and he even forces himself on grey wardens.

[Kantr]

No, cancels out insinuates nothing is left of the soul. The soul is destroyed. The soul doesn't need to be destroyed for that to happen. For all we know, the old god's soul is just attracted to the warden's body and due to their soul being present along with the taint, cannot complete the transfer and simply goes away like any other soul.

 

There's no reason a god's soul would be cancelled out by a much weaker mortal's. Notice Corypheus' is not and he even forces himself on grey wardens.

Cory is different. The only other place a soul goes if not in a body is beyond the fade

[Colonelkillabee]

Cory is different. The only other place a soul goes if not in a body is beyond the fade

And you know this for a fact, because that's chantry retort. Not necessarily the best source to be quoting.

[Monica21]

Actually there is evidence. Once a Warden kills a Archdemon, the calling stops, they don't try about it, or seem him in his sleep. The blight also ends because there is no one to lead them

If they are alive in some other form, there is NO indication whatsoever. The quote you posted seem to be talking about Darkspawn in general, but that's up for interpretations.

Also, I can't prove a negative, so saying, there is no prove that they are "truly" dead is wrong way.

Wait a second. The Calling is what the Wardens hear when the taint is becoming too strong and they're ready for the Deep Roads. What the Wardens (and the darkspawn) stop dreaming or hearing is that particular archdemon. The darkspawn retreat back to the Deep Roads and follow the song of a different Old God and try to release him. There is no Calling during a Blight unless the Warden is already ready for it.

Slaying an Archdemon doesn't have anything to do with the Calling unless there's something in The Last Flight that I haven't read yet.

[Ashagar]

And you know this for a fact, because that's chantry retort. Not necessarily the best source to be quoting.

 

I seem to recall justice in awakening saying mortals souls pass though the fade but spirits don't know where they go afterwards.
 

[Colonelkillabee]

I seem to recall justice in awakening saying mortals souls pass though the fade but spirits don't know where they go afterwards.
 

This seems rather convoluted to me since mortal souls can supposedly become spirits after like justice, or like Wynne's spirit of faith.

 

It was made pretty clear that they don't know much of what's going on anymore than humans do.

[Caddius]

The Altar of Dumat in Legacy appears to be in working order.

When Corypheus calls for Dumat to aid him, he is granted powers.

But these could both have something to do with ambient magic, the ritual, the prison, etcetera. The Altar is likely left there by the Warden prison...wardens , as Corypheus was imprisoned between the end of the First Blight and the rise of Andraste. 

When Corypheus calls for aid in Inquisition, after he's spat in the gods' face with the fake Archdemon and everything else, he gets nothing.

And we get hints about the Old Gods having fallen silent. The Claw of Dumat codex entry references that the Old Gods had fallen silent recently and the priests were afraid. (Which reminds me of Dirthamen's Temple.) Cole makes an obscure reference to it as well.

I'm on board with the death by Warden/Dark Ritual managing to cleanse the Old God soul, whatever they are, from the Taint, removing the Calling. That, or some of them have been destroyed in truth, and that's why Solas is freaking out over it.

The Calling is still present in Blights, but the traditional means of dealing with it (Orzammar) is often ignored.

As seen in Last Flight, if anything Blights and heightened exposure seems to accelerate the Calling. They start to hear the Song, and go a little crazy, and their body begins to fall apart. Most of them choose to go on necessary but suicidal missions during a Blight, as there's no shortage of those and they can be useful. The Calling ritual of going to Orzammar is just to maintain traditional ties to the dwarves and to kill as many darkspawn as possible before they die of either the Taint or the darkspawn themselves.

[xJLxKing]

That's not really evidence, the calling can be something they control for all we know. That or it stops because they're no longer on this plane.

 

There's no proof for any of that.

Again, there is no indication that the calling can be controlled. 

 

Most of what you suggest unfortunately is based on very little fact and very little indications that support them as well

[Colonelkillabee]

Again, there is no indication that the calling can be controlled. 

 

Most of what you suggest unfortunately is based on very little fact and very little indications that support them as well

The same can be said for you... this isn't about fact. There's not much indicating it can't be controlled either.

[xJLxKing]

The same can be said for you... this isn't about fact. There's not much indicating it can't be controlled either.

Yes, there is

We know because of the behavior the Darkspawn emulate. We know because the wardens can feel it

See, we have these statements, are they true, most likely, but it can be wrong. To question if they are wrong, there needs to be some sort of indication. Right now there is none

You just shooting out these theories but no indication or hint on it. They are theories that are baseless

It's like me saying since there is no proof that there is a guy call eru, it means I can make a theory about Eru being the Devil. It's baseless

[Colonelkillabee]

Yes, there is

We know because of the behavior the Darkspawn emulate. We know because the wardens can feel it

See, we have these statements, are they true, most likely, but it can be wrong. To question if they are wrong, there needs to be some sort of indication. Right now there is none

You just shooting out these theories but no indication or hint on it. They are theories that are baseless

It's like me saying since there is no proof that there is a guy call eru, it means I can make a theory about Eru being the Devil. It's baseless

That would work, except you are assuming that the Old Gods not having absolute control of what tainted beings can hear their song means they have no control at all. My claims aren't baseless, if you look at my lore thread in this forum. But claiming something can't be because they can't control it completely is fallacious. I'm not saying you have to believe any of it, but know you're dismissing it all based on very little.

[Monica21]

Actually there is evidence. Once a Warden kills a Archdemon, the calling stops, they don't try about it, or seem him in his sleep. The blight also ends because there is no one to lead them

 

If they are alive in some other form, there is NO indication whatsoever. The quote you posted seem to be talking about Darkspawn in general, but that's up for interpretations. 

 

Also, I can't prove a negative, so saying, there is no prove that they are "truly" dead is wrong way. 

 

What do you mean when you say "the calling stops"? The Wardens aren't hearing the Calling during a Blight. They're hearing the Archdemon. That's not the Calling.

[line_genrou]

The codex file in DAO about the Archdemon says that when a grey warden slays the dragon, his soul, along with the soul of the old, is destroyed

[Monica21]

The codex file in DAO about the Archdemon says that when a grey warden slays the dragon, his soul, along with the soul of the old, is destroyed

 

Which could really just mean that that's what they think is true based on observation. During the first Blight the Archdemon's soul kept skipping around until finally he was killed by a Warden, and then boom, Warden also dies. It doesn't mean that both souls actually are destroyed, it's just the conclusion based on what they'd seen.

[Colonelkillabee]

Which could really just mean that that's what they think is true based on observation. During the first Blight the Archdemon's soul kept skipping around until finally he was killed by a Warden, and then boom, Warden also dies. It doesn't mean that both souls actually are destroyed, it's just the conclusion based on what they'd seen.

Indeed. People need to open their third eye if they're going to be discussing lore. It's rather clear that the wardens and andrastians... even the dalish are incredibly ignorant and clueless to what's really going on.