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Why I didn't finish this game and Why I would not buy another. [spoilers]


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So, as I was playing through dragon age: inquisition, there were many good aspects about the game to keep things going. The combat system was somewhat decent, though it annoyed me how limited my choices of active spells seemed to be. The music was wonderful. But something was missing.

 

I wasn't quite sure what it was until about the time I stopped the assassination, and then it became abundantly clear, I was playing Barney and Friends Explore Thedas, Not a bioware game.

 

The first thing that bothered me, the removal of blood magic. In previous games, every art discussed within the game was pretty much available, regardless of it's moral consequences. It was more or less up to the player to determine the morality of themselves. Now, blood magic has been portrayed as this ultimate evil that can never been forgiven. It used to be something that was a tool that was often used for evil.

 

Letting this little nitpick slide, I continue on with the game. As I complete the chargers side quest, the next one hit. None of my choices are really choices. Do I save a group of people who have fought by my side for a time, or do I keep my alliance with the qun? Both choices are morally good choices, either the good of the few or good of the many kind of choice. Where was my choice to steal the dreadnought and discover it's secrets? 

 

Third, did morrigan develop breast cancer between dragon age I and III? In Origins, she was a well shaped woman without social inhibitions, or social stigmas. She was unabashedly and unashamedly intelligent, attractive, and manipulative. You should change this character's name and model and just be done with it. She was a selfish immodest thing in the first dragon age, and you've completely flipped everything about her personality. And yes, the model change does bother me. Why can't she have breasts? I could find you thousands of examples of female human beings that have lumps of fatty flesh on their chest. It is not that uncommon. Iron Bull has larger breasts than she does.

 

The inconsistencies with this character are so abhorrent, so jarring, that I couldn't get past it. It actually puts more light on the fact that every other woman in the game lacks any feminine qualities whatsoever. There are dozens of cases of men being portrayed, not just discussed, but portrayed as flamboyant or permiscuous, several instances of having overly sexualized  models or attitudes, but no one woman in this entire game is feminine. Seriously? What kind of double standard is this? Hell, they've even removed the desire demons from the game completely, probably for the same reason. The sequences with desire demons in origins were interesting because of the situations that they put the character in. They are mature situations with extreme consequences and definite moral choices. It allowed players to give in to temptation in more than one way (example, learning blood magic). If anything, I think that this is the ultimate example of the removal of moral ambiguity from the game as a whole. 

 

I made it halfway through the game before I realized this, but you can't make an evil choice in this game. Ordinarily I am a relatively moral individual when I play through the game, and tend to appreciate being able to see the option for something cruel or terrible, but then not taking it. Those options don't exist here. The story is sloppily put together. The enemies are bland, and the allies are all bumbling idiots. The grey wardens commit mass murder of themselves because they fall for a trick that they shouldn't have. Duncan would have been ashamed. I can see one group of people falling for this follow the leader bull, but the leader of every major power in the game? all at once? Convenient plot twist is convenient. It's too sloppy. I don't like it.

 

 

 

 

At any rate, that's why I won't finish the game. I've uninstalled it and origin (never liked origin anyhow). Bioware, Not sure if you take feedback well or not, but this is my feedback. Do what you will with it. I'm not going to be purchasing your games anymore. 


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I also found the inability to pursue a more evil path a jarring shortcoming of DA:I, especially considering that the game dangles it right in front of your nose (Darth Leliana as Divine). The absence of blood magic is part of this problem. Sloppy storytelling... yeah. Spot on.

 

I don't know about Morrigan, she just seemed a bit older, more mature, in DA:I, which I found a good thing. The story between her, her son and Flemeth was one of the sadly far too few moments in DA:I that managed to touch my heart. I honestly didn't notice any reduction in cleavage... but then I may have missed it simply because it never was her most important asset for me.

 

Finally, I also agree with that impression you voice about a startling lack of attractive feminity. It struck me as well -- I'm not saying that I find the women of DA:I ugly, but if I had to condense my perception into a single world, it'd be "bland", possibly "boring". But... prepare to get shitstormed for that. That opinion is socially not acceptable on this forum and you will get lynched for daring to have it ("unrealistic female expectations", "go get some in the real world", "omg you are telling me I'm ugly? waaah")

 

I still think Bioware should have called this installment "Age of Average". It's an ok game, but it shows that the series is coming dangerously close to losing its soul by orienting itself towards the average, not towards the excellent. The story is bland, the characters are bland, gameplay is bland. The excellent graphics and level design unfortunately can't pull the cart out of the mud.

 

I just finished playing NWN and its expansions again. Sadly, Hordes of the Underdark blows DA:I out of the water in all aspects except graphics and sound, which is to be expected, considering it is... thirteen years old. Funny fact: I'd still take Nathyrra or Aribeth over any companion DA:I has to offer.


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Regarding Morrigan: in the 10 years gap between Origins and Inquisition she has been a mother and a lover for the Warden (at least in my playthrough) so is it so strange that now she seems kinder towards other people? Considering that she's still insolent, attractive, manipulative and intelligent. And beautiful of course: the only difference is that now she wears a bra, which is pretty normal, from the moment she isn't anymore the slutty 20 years girl she used to be in the Korcari Wilds, beacuse, you know, now she has a child and a husband (sort of).


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But she wore a bra before...

 

Only during sex.


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lol wut?!? these are your "good" reasons not to finish the game? Cause you didn't get choices that "you" didn't get make make? They have the choices they (BioWare) wanted in the game. There's not a good reason to have blood magic in this game really, and why would Morrigan's personality not change? she's a mother for one, time to grow up and set an example for your kid right? That's part of it, and also people naturally tend to mature up most of the time when they get older. Also if you're complaining that Morrigan now wears a bra then by gosh golly people are so messed up in saying a game is bad cause they can't see a character breasts! really? lol *nods head disapprovingly* It's wrong to to play a game because of a lack of feminine qualities, games are not played for sex appeal, or mental sexual pleasantries. They are played for fun, a good story, addictive gameplay, or completionists to achieve beating it. but disliking a game due to the woman seeming not like a woman? I think that would be a matter of opinion but I do think a large fan base would prolly say they have no issues with the woman in this game.

 

As to the Grey Wardens open up and think! The Grey Wardens duty is to help and stop the blight NO MATTER THE COST. So if an opportunity like sacrificing themselves is what it takes to completely end it then they will take it. Plz tell me how this would make no sense to you? They had no way of knowing it was a trick, not to mention coryphaeus could also control them as well so how do you exactly disobey when someone else is inside your own head? If you also disliked Origins then you prolly never finished it and don't understand how Wardens work do you? (also why are you playing Dragon Age if you didn't even like the crown jewel of Origins?!!?)

 

I have no problem with you disliking the game, but these are the most absurd reasons I have ever seen. Generally people say it's glitched, they can't get into the story, they don't like the characters, the combat is boring and tedious, or "I can't stand picking up every single darn elfroot I run by!" not because of there being no breasts on one character, or the women in general aren't feminine. There are others who don't like the game cause they didn't get choices put in the game, hence why I didn't put it with the bad reasons to dislike a game however we have to remember, this is BioWare's game and they put in choices that MOST of the fanbase are ok with and only a minority will dislike which they can live with although they'd like to try and please everyone if possible. That's why after every game they make it always seems different in a few noticeable ways, they're trying to accommodate for the minority as well as trying to keep the majority happy.

 

 

That's all I have to say for now. I see you're new to the forums so welcome to the forums!


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It was to be expected that under the umbrella of a multinational creativity would be curbed and replaced by the social accepted agenda that is being shoved down everyones throat tru every social media.  And yes, the herd is policing the herd by stating what is acceptable behevior sadly enough.  But this is going on allready so long, for me it is more important to be aware of it.  Don't let this take you down in spirit or you soon will find very little joy in life.

 

Besides it shortcomings Bioware still offers entertainment for me personally that other games, indie included, does not offer.  The way society acts and reacts is a part of everyone and all are responsable for it.  Just stepping out and pretend to be no part of it doesn't work.  Hope you still injoying games you do like that entertain and make you happy.


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I'm not touching any other part of this post but (1) Morrigan always wore a bra and (2) look at the DAO concept art - she always had a small cup size, the issue was just the engine.
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Makes me wonder if he always put her in the Chasind Robes of Breast Enlargement.
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Makes me wonder if he always put her in the Chasind Robes of Breast Enlargement.


As a general rule I'd like my party to avoid wearing fetish wear they find lying around in the forest but I guess it's a YMMV?
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I do miss the options that made me frantically save the game before making a choice and then agonizing over them afterwards (Origins), and the sanitised world does seem a touch bland - but I did enjoy the game enough to play it through a few times.

It doesn't knock Origins off the top for me, and I'm sad that I didn't get to go True Evil and enter the Fade myself to become God.


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lol wut?!? these are your "good" reasons not to finish the game? Cause you didn't get choices that "you" didn't get make make? They have the choices they (BioWare) wanted in the game. There's not a good reason to have blood magic in this game really, and why would Morrigan's personality not change? she's a mother for one, time to grow up and set an example for your kid right? That's part of it, and also people naturally tend to mature up most of the time when they get older. Also if you're complaining that Morrigan now wears a bra then by gosh golly people are so messed up in saying a game is bad cause they can't see a character breasts! really? lol *nods head disapprovingly* It's wrong to to play a game because of a lack of feminine qualities, games are not played for sex appeal, or mental sexual pleasantries. They are played for fun, a good story, addictive gameplay, or completionists to achieve beating it. but disliking a game due to the woman seeming not like a woman? I think that would be a matter of opinion but I do think a large fan base would prolly say they have no issues with the woman in this game.

 

As to the Grey Wardens open up and think! The Grey Wardens duty is to help and stop the blight NO MATTER THE COST. So if an opportunity like sacrificing themselves is what it takes to completely end it then they will take it. Plz tell me how this would make no sense to you? They had no way of knowing it was a trick, not to mention coryphaeus could also control them as well so how do you exactly disobey when someone else is inside your own head? If you also disliked Origins then you prolly never finished it and don't understand how Wardens work do you? (also why are you playing Dragon Age if you didn't even like the crown jewel of Origins?!!?)

 

I have no problem with you disliking the game, but these are the most absurd reasons I have ever seen. Generally people say it's glitched, they can't get into the story, they don't like the characters, the combat is boring and tedious, or "I can't stand picking up every single darn elfroot I run by!" not because of there being no breasts on one character, or the women in general aren't feminine. There are others who don't like the game cause they didn't get choices put in the game, hence why I didn't put it with the bad reasons to dislike a game however we have to remember, this is BioWare's game and they put in choices that MOST of the fanbase are ok with and only a minority will dislike which they can live with although they'd like to try and please everyone if possible. That's why after every game they make it always seems different in a few noticeable ways, they're trying to accommodate for the minority as well as trying to keep the majority happy.

 

 

That's all I have to say for now. I see you're new to the forums so welcome to the forums!

 

This entire post right here seems like a torch.. That little part right there.. Was that a slight toward the users creation? It's entirely possibility that the person indeed did create this forum account just to post here his disappointment. But I do know that it's possible for new users to join the forum as a 'smurf' account.

 

OH and yes, you should be able to be an "evil" inquisitor. Hello, choices, what are they? Character building to a degree yes.. There are limitations on what you can do. The Inqusiition shouldn't be a religion restoring chantry power alone. They could have denounced the Chantry practically or use their power for unchecked influence. Their only real purpose was to find and stop the creator of the rifts in the sky and restore order. The Chantry failed to maintain order in my eyes. I don't think it's fair that I can only speak against it but not act against it as my inquisitor.

 

You'd honestly believe that a man (or woman) in such power is benevolent only, and can only be that way? I'd say the only real evil option for me was to side with the obvious wrong group at winter palace. Bah, i say.


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But she wore a bra before...

 

Only during sex.

LOL :lol:



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I agree with you about the complete lack of desire demons. They were featured heavily in the first two games and now, in Inquisition, when demons are flooding into Thedas because of the Breach, there is not one to be found anywhere.

 

As for your other points: cool story brah


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I agree with everything but the Morrigan stuff.  I don't really care about that, to be honest.

 

Particularity the part that resonated with me was the "I don't make the evil choices in these games but they still need to be there."  That's exactly how I feel.  I usually take only the "moral" choices; I can't get into an immoral character.  But not having the choices seems to lose something.  It's a Yin and Yang thing.



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I would have ripped Blood Magic from the game primarily because of how many holes it pokes into the plot. Actually, that was one of the huge criticisms of DA2 was that it let you use the skills and techniques in front of Templars that would cause them to murder you in a heart beat. 

 

I loved Blood Magic in DA:O; it was my favorite specialization. But if it's an option, I want it to be significant to the plot line. 

 

Also, Morrigan's change in attire couldn't be that she's trying to maintain her cover at court? Or simply that her tastes have changed in the ten years since we've seen her? I mean, she does raise her (potential) son in noble society, not a swamp. 


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I guess I should explain the morrigan part. It was the icing on the cake of changes that made all of the other changes just flood over the top for me. She is, literally, flat chested. Like, She has this bra thing on that is very much completely flat. I don't expect people to take this comment seriously, or for anyone to have a conversation about female aesthetics on the internet seriously, but if she was wearing a more formal gown like during the dance sequence, it wouldn't have bothered me. However, putting her back in her chasnid outfit immediately afterwards an having a washboard chest was a very jarring wtf, especially given how you used the same type of clothing that she wore in DA: O, but this time having a complete lack of anything to show off for wearing that clothing.

 

You dress based on the type of body you have, and women without large chests can be very attractive, but tend to not be wearing the same types of things that women WITH large breasts wear to show off their.... figure....

 

I have 3 older sisters, and grew up constantly around that kinda information and discussion, if only to try and tease and embarrass me. believe it or not, it's okay to discuss female attributes when you do it in a respectful manner, which is what I was attempting. I can't even blame it on bad graphics settings that don't properly display a type of paralax mapping mesh for the lighting, as Iron Bull is fairly well defined in the chest. 

 

Point is: Her attire and figure are so completely, utterly, and ridiculously mismatched that it was jarringly noticeable. 

 

 

 

 

On the point the one guy made about the grey wardens sacrificing anything to stop the arch demon, seeing as the arch demon and the blight came about from certain types of magic using sacrifices, and a whole ton of history that we don't need to get too in depth with, it makes no sense that they'd all just jump at this idea of rampaging around the deep roads with an army of demons. It's as if this is the first time anyone thought the idea in 5 blights. How many hundreds of years, and this is the first time someone was like 'why don't we just kill the old gods in the deep roads before they become blighted?'. And to switch one rage demon for one warrior....... 

 

This game is basically down to playing in the role of spock or kirk from star trek. Do I make decisions for the sake of the whole, or do I protect those who I know best? In previous games, it was, Do I stick with my friends, Do I fight for the good of the people, or do I screw everyone else and put myself in the best possible position when the end comes? A third of the content is gone from this game, imo, with the lack of that evil choice to give into temptation to abuse your power, which is unfortunate, as that would have created an interesting meta game of trying to be evil, but not so overtly evil that your friends would become suspicious. You could have had a character who created a cult like following, harshly punishing those who try to get in your way. Possibly, have a war council that can be a few variation of characters depending on how you align yourself, as an example, using the Lord Seeker's zealousness to create a strict doctrine and tighten the control of the inquisition, and thus, your position in the world, eventually making yourself the divine or something.

 

As it stands, things just feel out of place. Morrigan, again, was simply the most jarring and easily pointed out example of this. Compare the old model to the new model, the old attitude to the new attitude, the way she talks in the expository mode, versus her personable tones. Her demeanor is not changed enough to warrant a change of this magnitude. IMO, if she has become so mellow and subordinate in the past 10 years, she should have a much more cautious and timid, with a hesitantness in her voice, extremely interested in information, but not so willing to share it. If her speech tone were correct, however, she should still be speaking in expository mode, constantly using 'one' and 'ones self', always giving just enough information to lean a person towards the course of action she desires, and have a very derogatory and decisive tone, possibly even condescending. Her character is not morrigan, and the whole things doesn't make sense, either from an emotional state, or from a story point of view. If she spent so much time isolated, She should have a softer tone, and be somewhat sympathetic as a person, but holding back, guarded. She would be cautious to ally herself to others, but happy at the company of others. 

 

So, before you start bashing me for being a sexist pig, I've probably put a bit more thought into her character than you ever did.


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I would agree the men npcs flirt more than the women but yet as a Character u can flirt with every character right away. Hey vivienne whats your favorite spell and then she says get lost loser. Was suprised seduction was not an option at the ball.
Added demons but took several away. Almost all become mindless killing things. None or almost none have names like they did in Dao.
There are fine details missing and less memorable choices sacrificed for great graphics and fast super smash attacks
The attention to detail made in the opening 1/2 hour of dao and the amount of meaningful little choices. Its even 2 easy to get people to join you. Sten, wynne, zevran, shale required work and saying the wrong thing they would turn on you
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Will be buying dlc and will continue playing mp. Wont be buying future dragon age games unless there is a change in game design and philosophy.

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Will be buying dlc and will continue playing mp. Wont be buying future dragon age games unless there is a change in game design and philosophy.

 

Chances are, you won't be buying their future games then. These guys are incredibly stubborn with their design choices. We can only dream of a day when a no-holds-barred dark fantasy DA game will be released.



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As a general rule I'd like my party to avoid wearing fetish wear they find lying around in the forest but I guess it's a YMMV?

I only allow my party to wear fetish wear they find laying around in the forest. But only because they haven't released the Fetish Shop DLC...yet.



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NOT TRUE OP...  women do run like girls.  It's very feminine. 

It's only when they sit down, or walk in cut scenes, that they behave like men or guerrillas.

 

I agree on your Grey Wardens point.  They were idiots.  At least we see a few of them protest (how stupid it is) before they get the murder-knife.

 

Still - what an incredibly stupid idea.  I'm not sure why Stroud and Blackwall were able to essentially 'ignore' the calling, but all the other wardens go into panic suicide mode....  It just makes their plan look all the more insane and unbelievable.

 

Morrigan - well dude.. you're young still, so I'm gonna give you some rather disappointing news.  When you get older, find a nice girl, get married and eventually have babies... the exact same thing is going to happen to 'your wife'. 

Yes, her knockers are eventually going to deflate and start hanging down by her waistline.  Usually.. about 1 year after 'child-birth'.  Sad as it may be.. babies destroy those precious life giving mammies....



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I guess I should explain the morrigan part. It was the icing on the cake of changes that made all of the other changes just flood over the top for me. She is, literally, flat chested. Like, She has this bra thing on that is very much completely flat.

 

-snip-

 

You dress based on the type of body you have, and women without large chests can be very attractive, but tend to not be wearing the same types of things that women WITH large breasts wear to show off their.... figure....

 

She has breasts in this screenshot, just small ones. Everybody in DAO had the same bodytype, and unfortunately used the male skeleton so you got gorilla running animations. Now she has a custom model. Saying she has smaller breasts than Iron Bull isn't really saying much, lol.

 

When you have larger breasts, imo less is more if you're dressing to your bodytype -- a little bit of a low cut shows off lots of goodies because cleavages, and gets a little "WHOAH THERE" when you have a very plunging neckline. However, smaller-breasted women can typically pull off more plunging necklines (like Morrigan's clothes) without it looking quite so stripper. I personally find she's dressing more to her body now than before, and I'm built about like the Inquisition Morrigan.

 

As for her personality, being more mellow doesn't mean you're also more timid. I wonder why you think it should. I can think of several reasons (maturity and motherhood being the two biggies) that she'd soften a bit without suddenly being a wilting violet. Mellow people can be confident.


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Morrigan - well dude.. you're young still, so I'm gonna give you some rather disappointing news. When you get older, find a nice girl, get married and eventually have babies... the exact same thing is going to happen to 'your wife'.
Yes, her knockers are eventually going to deflate and start hanging down by her waistline. Usually.. about 1 year after 'child-birth'. Sad as it may be.. babies destroy those precious life giving mammies....

Pretty much this^

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LMAO.

 

Love how a serious "review" thread becomes a discussion about deflated breasts.


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LMAO.

 

Love how a serious "review" thread becomes a discussion about deflated breasts.

 

I'm glad that at least you were not subjected to the horrible deflation of breasts, my love.  ;)


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