For every nut case screaming "I won't buy another BioWare game because of 'gays' and small boobies" there's at least 1,000 more (myself included) who are going to buy them. Because BioWare's cool.That's why these game sell millions of copies despite the goofy misogynistic rage.
How is preferring larger breasts misogynist, exactly? I mean, I know it's a cute buzzword these days, but no one who uses it seems to actually understand what it means.
For every nut case screaming "I won't buy another BioWare game because of 'gays' and small boobies" there's at least 1,000 more (myself included) who are going to buy them. Because BioWare's cool.That's why these game sell millions of copies despite the goofy misogynistic rage.
So... Someone asks why feminine characteristics are gone with regard to certain NPCs and you start crying "misogynist"? 
Really?
Yes. Please (!!!) buy games like this. And play it!! YES! You know what? Buy 10 copies and play them 200 hours each! Please!!
*Blood magic and boobs issues*
At any rate, that's why I won't finish the game. I've uninstalled it and origin (never liked origin anyhow). Bioware, Not sure if you take feedback well or not, but this is my feedback. Do what you will with it. I'm not going to be purchasing your games anymore.
What will BioWare do with this incisive feedback?
Ignore it I hope.
I'd like to see blood magic make a return, but only if it actually has a story impact. None of this "Blood magic is evil! *zaps a baddie with blood magic* I would never use it!".
Going to have disagree with your assessment of the IB situation. I mean, I certainly believe more neutral or chaotic choices would have been a nice addition, but in that particular example, there were moral consequences. At least, I knew right away I was saving the Chargers, as I couldn't bear to let them die. But I suppose if one didn't care for them that might make the decision less poignant. But that's less of an issue with the writing, and more just one of opinions.
I'm actually glad they changed Morrigan's appearance a tad. I felt like her face shape was similar enough to other NPC's that it wasn't particularly special (unmodded, anyhow). As for bust sizes, well, wasn't just about every woman sporting an enviable bust in Origins? I think that had more to do with limited body models. Maybe they always meant for Morrigan to tone it down a notch 
And when will the day come that we can have both male and female desire demons? That's what I'm hoping for. I didn't really think any of the guys in Inquisition were overly sexualized? At least, no more so than some of the female options in the past. And is Josie not considered feminine here? I thought she was quite feminine. And it's a shame you didn't like them (that's what your post seems to imply), but not every Bioware game is going to have the LI of your dreams. You win some, you lose some.
Not sure if swinging dicks is what I'd like to see in my Dragon Age... However we do get switches not for all sorts of things, right? (Not individual helmets switch though, it' too complicated I believe). Okay, I'm fine.
If there's a switch.
How is preferring larger breasts misogynist, exactly? I mean, I know it's a cute buzzword these days, but no one who uses it seems to actually understand what it means.
Something I learned today: I'm embarrassed for at least 26 people.
Having a preference isn't misogynistic. Judging women pretty much entirely on the contents of their bras is.
For the OP: There's a new Dead or Alive game out. I suggest you get your fix of mammaries there.
No. That would be prejudice, not misogyny (which again proves my point). But it's a good thing no one is actually advocating for that.
No wonder these conversations are always a mess; too many seem willing to spin and twist words. Identity politics is destructive--especially when some are so quick to place labels on each other. I invite everyone to step back, take a deep breath, and chill. Let's come back to the table with clear minds and hearts, and be reasonable with each other.
There are a lot of sociologists, authors, and even a few dictionaries who consider misogyny a form of prejudice. It's a legitimate school of thought in my opinion. However I'm willing to accept that as an emotive topic bound to attract varied opinions and that since what exactly constitutes misogyny is generally quite subjective under certain circumstances, that you might not agree.No. That would be prejudice, not misogyny (which again proves my point). But it's a good thing no one is actually advocating for that.
No wonder these conversations are always a mess; too many seem willing to spin and twist words. Identity politics is destructive--especially when some are so quick to place labels on each other. I invite everyone to step back, take a deep breath, and chill. Let's come back to the table with clear minds and hearts, and be reasonable with each other.
What is with you people and boobs? There's nothing special about them, I assure you.
Idc about Morrigan's boobs and I like her better now because she was incredibly one dimensional in DA:O, DA:O already had so very little caracter development happening... No idea why people get so riled up over it.
...No idea why people get so riled up over it.
Not very many people, to be honest 
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Not very many people, to be honest
People talk about DA:O as if it was the best game ever. It isn't/wasn't. People have their vision troubled by nostalgia. Everything is awesome when you're younger. It's unfortunate people don't realise this.
Not sure if swinging dicks is what I'd like to see in my Dragon Age... However we do get switches not for all sorts of things, right? (Not individual helmets switch though, it' too complicated I believe). Okay, I'm fine.
If there's a switch.
I wouldn't necessarily say we need that (the lower part of the female desire demon's torso isn't fully shown either), but I don't think it'd hurt to have desire demons of both sexes appear. I thought they served a solid story purpose, so I think it's too bad they weren't in Inquisition, but I do think that it'd be more natural if we had both. I think I heard somewhere that Dorian described having met a desire demon who showed themselves as male, so it seems that there'd at least be precedent.
I did a quick google search to see if anyone had done any concept/fan art of a male desire demon. Didn't find too much, but this is sort of what I was thinking: something that follows the design of the female desire demon, but takes on a male appearance (since not everybody who encounters a desire demon would find the female body type alluring, so it doesn't really make sense to limit them)
What is with you people and boobs? There's nothing special about them, I assure you.
Just kidding, was waiting to use that clip. 
People talk about DA:O as if it was the best game ever. It isn't/wasn't. People have their vision troubled by nostalgia. Everything is awesome when you're younger. It's unfortunate people don't realise this.
IMHO too many people dismiss any comparison with DA:O using "nostalgia" as an excuse. DA:O came out in 2009 and 2009 wasn't that long ago. Recently, I pulled out Kotor out of storage and frankly I was unpleasently suprised at how far CRPGs have fallen (at least IMO) from a game that was produced over ten years ago....and that was making a side by side comparison (and I never played Kotor until this year).
So it's not that DA:O is the best game 'evah'. Rather DA:O seems to be clearly the strongest DA game of the series at least IMO (and apparently in the opinion of a number of people).
IMHO too many people dismiss any comparison with DA:O using "nostalgia" as an excuse. DA:O came out in 2009 and 2009 wasn't that long ago. Recently, I pulled out Kotor out of storage and frankly I was unpleasently suprised at how far CRPGs have fallen (at least IMO) from a game that was produced over ten years ago....and that was making a side by side comparison (and I never played Kotor until this year).
So it's not that DA:O is the best game 'evah'. Rather DA:O seems to be clearly the strongest DA game of the series at least IMO (and apparently in the opinion of a number of people).
Agreed. However I gotta add that in some things DA2 is better.
People talk about DA:O as if it was the best game ever. It isn't/wasn't. People have their vision troubled by nostalgia. Everything is awesome when you're younger. It's unfortunate people don't realise this.
I have already spent hours thinking about this even before reading your post. I tried to figure out if my oppinion on DAI is effected by nostalgia or not.
Actually I realized that it has nothing to do with it. I am disappointed simply because Bioware abandoned those characteristics which separated them from the rest of the mediocre developers. They abandoned what I liked in their games and instead they went to a direction where I don't want to follow them.
I was taking your post seriously until the "omg no big boobies" complaint.
Bioware could still salvage this. The way it salvaged DA2 with Legacy: a DLC with cool story that gets Wardens back and gives the player great landscapes, tons of interaction and a personal family story.
Just add a post-game DLC that shows how the Inquisition is becoming a tyrant to the world, a huge uncontrollable power even the Inquisitor can't disband. Introduce evil choices and consequences (would you fight the corrupted Inquisition, try to tame it, or head it and use it for your own power?), burn cities, fight real desire demons, get new content for your LIs, and find out what happened to Solas' plans, since it's post-game.
But I fear that won't happen and we'll be given another sandbox area with shards and other junk as DLC. Too bad, really.
Well, I did finish the game. But I will most likely not buy another Bioware/EA offering either.
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I was taking your post seriously until the "omg no big boobies" complaint.
So, as I was playing through dragon age: inquisition, there were many good aspects about the game to keep things going. The combat system was somewhat decent, though it annoyed me how limited my choices of active spells seemed to be. The music was wonderful. But something was missing.
I wasn't quite sure what it was until about the time I stopped the assassination, and then it became abundantly clear, I was playing Barney and Friends Explore Thedas, Not a bioware game.
The first thing that bothered me, the removal of blood magic. In previous games, every art discussed within the game was pretty much available, regardless of it's moral consequences. It was more or less up to the player to determine the morality of themselves. Now, blood magic has been portrayed as this ultimate evil that can never been forgiven. It used to be something that was a tool that was often used for evil.
Letting this little nitpick slide, I continue on with the game. As I complete the chargers side quest, the next one hit. None of my choices are really choices. Do I save a group of people who have fought by my side for a time, or do I keep my alliance with the qun? Both choices are morally good choices, either the good of the few or good of the many kind of choice. Where was my choice to steal the dreadnought and discover it's secrets?
Third, did morrigan develop breast cancer between dragon age I and III? In Origins, she was a well shaped woman without social inhibitions, or social stigmas. She was unabashedly and unashamedly intelligent, attractive, and manipulative. You should change this character's name and model and just be done with it. She was a selfish immodest thing in the first dragon age, and you've completely flipped everything about her personality. And yes, the model change does bother me. Why can't she have breasts? I could find you thousands of examples of female human beings that have lumps of fatty flesh on their chest. It is not that uncommon. Iron Bull has larger breasts than she does.
The inconsistencies with this character are so abhorrent, so jarring, that I couldn't get past it. It actually puts more light on the fact that every other woman in the game lacks any feminine qualities whatsoever. There are dozens of cases of men being portrayed, not just discussed, but portrayed as flamboyant or permiscuous, several instances of having overly sexualized models or attitudes, but no one woman in this entire game is feminine. Seriously? What kind of double standard is this? Hell, they've even removed the desire demons from the game completely, probably for the same reason. The sequences with desire demons in origins were interesting because of the situations that they put the character in. They are mature situations with extreme consequences and definite moral choices. It allowed players to give in to temptation in more than one way (example, learning blood magic). If anything, I think that this is the ultimate example of the removal of moral ambiguity from the game as a whole.
I made it halfway through the game before I realized this, but you can't make an evil choice in this game. Ordinarily I am a relatively moral individual when I play through the game, and tend to appreciate being able to see the option for something cruel or terrible, but then not taking it. Those options don't exist here. The story is sloppily put together. The enemies are bland, and the allies are all bumbling idiots. The grey wardens commit mass murder of themselves because they fall for a trick that they shouldn't have. Duncan would have been ashamed. I can see one group of people falling for this follow the leader bull, but the leader of every major power in the game? all at once? Convenient plot twist is convenient. It's too sloppy. I don't like it.
At any rate, that's why I won't finish the game. I've uninstalled it and origin (never liked origin anyhow). Bioware, Not sure if you take feedback well or not, but this is my feedback. Do what you will with it. I'm not going to be purchasing your games anymore.
I'm lazy, so I apologize if this question has been asked before in this thread. But basically, I didn't get much farther than this.
Excuse me: - This is why you won't finish the game and why you won't buy another?! 
In fact, if Bioware had been as consistent with the rest of the story as they were with reproducing Morrigan, this would have been a good game. She was one of the few highlights in a very mediocre story.
Leliana was maybe the second best done, and her character development is also consistent.
This story fails, in the first instance, because, as mentioned several times earlier in the thread, there is no real choice, and decisions don't matter. Being able to say 'I agree', 'I strongly agree', and 'Well I don't like it, but let's' do it anyway' may seem like choice to some, but it isn't.
And the story fails because the main threat, is really no threat.
And the story fails (for me) because the romances are handled as an add-on. No depth, just a few conversation choices with the happy heart to tell you what this will do for you. But no follow up after either. My LI made no changes to her behaviour post romance, so again, it made no impact to the story.
And now, my main reason for moving on: this story did not move me. And it gave me no reasons for most things I did in game, no motivation to herd a druffalo, or put flowers on a grave, or strew ashes on the water, or try and win the Dalish favour. It was all so shallowly handled, while assuming I like running around with a silent team of auto pilot bots with no AI to speak of, picking up meaningless stuff like shards (man, what a pain, and then the ultimate reward is some useless trinkett, duh).
True, true and true. Wish I could like this a thousand times.
And wish the developers would listen. (I know they won't and we all know why.)
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