Let me get this straight about Fiona. People believe she is Alistairs mother because it was mentioned in some book? And yet there has been no mention of it in game at all, not even in the codex?
The very end of The Calling mentions Fiona giving birth to Alistair. This was later confirmed by Mike Laidlaw on Twitter (he thought it was obvious).
No Fiona's incompetent because she didn't do ANYTHING! The Vints showed up out of thin air (literally) and said "Hey a massive templar force is just outside your walls and they're coming to kill you, don't ask how we know, just trust us. All our help costs is ten years of slavery and your children fighting our war with the qunari, it's a steal." And Fiona went "Ummm, that's not good. Ok, you have yourselves a deal."
All she had to do was NOT take the Venatori at their word. Ask for proof, how they knew, as long as she did SOMEthing!
Yeah, Fiona would be stupid if she acted in the way you made her out to look.
It was strongly hinted at in DAI. And off-handedly confirmed by a developer in the run up to DAI's release.
https://twitter.com/...584356337487872
I have honestly not seen any such hints in my play through as of yet. This is my first one with both Alistair as Warden and Fiona in it.
Let me get this straight about Fiona. People believe she is Alistairs mother because it was mentioned in some book? And yet there has been no mention of it in game at all, not even in the codex?
the books are considered official canon
Yeah, Fiona would be stupid if she acted in the way you made her out to look.
She actually did though.
No Fiona's incompetent because she didn't do ANYTHING! The Vints showed up out of thin air (literally) and said "Hey a massive templar force is just outside your walls and they're coming to kill you, don't ask how we know, just trust us. All our help costs is ten years of slavery and your children fighting our war with the qunari, it's a steal." And Fiona went "Ummm, that's not good. Ok, you have yourselves a deal."
All she had to do was NOT take the Venatori at their word. Ask for proof, how they knew, as long as she did SOMEthing!
So the templar army was two days away from Redcliffe...and what's your point exactly? Neither the inquisition nor the ferelden army noticed how this massive templar force marched against Haven. But Fiona is incompetent because she didn't do some scouting mission?
She is. Leliana beats herself over the head (rightfully so) because she didn't have her scouts do her job propely, which enabled the suprise attack at Haven. The Inquisition also didn't know about Corypheus and the Red Templars. Fiona sent no scouts at all to verify the claims of an individual who was highly suspicious. The entire premise of her ''alliance'' with Tevinter -that the Templars were marching in force against Redcliffe- was false, she had the means to verify it, and she didn't do so. How do you call that save incompetence?
the books are considered official canon
Considering many people, myself included haven't even seen the books - if it didn't happen in game then it didn't happen 
That is assuming the Imperium would go ahead and sacrifice everyone. It is not the Mordor you see, people actually live there and prosper. Even mundanes, shocking I know.
This is a good point. People seem to think that Tevinter is entirely evil which is not true. Sure, they have a lot of bad points, and I do mean a lot, but even Dorian, a Tevinter citizen, believes that his homeland can be saved and is worth saving, which is why he wants to go back there near the end of the game, and you can tell him to hang around a bit longer to help out. If Tevinter was really as evil as people here are making it out to be, there would be no diplomatic relations with any of the nations (think like modern day North Korea, where apparently only Dennis Rodman can meet with the leader). Instead, all nations deal with Tevinter to some extent, and while they disagree with the Black Divine, the Magistocracy, and almost everything on a fundamental level, with the exception of Andrastianism itself, the Imperium is still in existance, over a thousand years (or thousands? I just got out of class and am pretty tired right now, so I don't remember exactly when it was formed, haha) after it was founded. This means that, as bad as it is, it's not completely evil.
Speaking of little of children, wouldn't Fiona and the mage rebellion's abandonment of Southern Thedas essentially put every future mage child at the mercy of either the templars or the kingdoms of Ferelden and Orlais, with no pro-mage military power or political power to defend them and train them. I suppose Fiona decided to cut her losses and leave them to their fate. Way to stand up for the rights of her own people.
I must admit, this is an interesting point that I had not considered. However, I doubt the mages would go to the Templars because the Ferelden and Orlais would not tolerate a rogue organization within their borders without oversight/support of the people (unlike the Inquisition, which has popular, religious, and national support). Also, I doubt the Templars would ever go back or be allowed back with the Chantry to re-legitimize them.
No Fiona's incompetent because she didn't do ANYTHING! The Vints showed up out of thin air (literally) and said "Hey a massive templar force is just outside your walls and they're coming to kill you, don't ask how we know, just trust us. All our help costs is ten years of slavery and your children fighting our war with the qunari, it's a steal." And Fiona went "Ummm, that's not good. Ok, you have yourselves a deal."
All she had to do was NOT take the Venatori at their word. Ask for proof, how they knew, as long as she did SOMEthing!
As it has been pointed out numerous times, Tevinter came in via time travel, offering support when it appears doom was approaching, after having hear it from disguised Tevinter mages who were posing as rebel/refugee southern mages. That means that, as far as Fiona was concerned, the source of the information was not Tevinter, but her fellow rebels.
She actually did though.
Except she didn't. She and the rest of the mages have been fighting and running from Templars since Kirkwall, so if someone says that there may be Templars coming to kill them, she has no reason not to believe it, because that's been her daily routine for however long up to that point. In her mind, she and the mages still following her very well may die, so it's either die or indenture themselves to Tevinter.
As it has been pointed out numerous times, Tevinter came in via time travel, offering support when it appears doom was approaching, after having hear it from disguised Tevinter mages who were posing as rebel/refugee southern mages. That means that, as far as Fiona was concerned, the source of the information was not Tevinter, but her fellow rebels.
Also this.
She is. Leliana beats herself over the head (rightfully so) because she didn't have her scouts do her job propely, which enabled the suprise attack at Haven. The Inquisition also didn't know about Corypheus and the Red Templars. Fiona sent no scouts at all to verify the claims of an individual who was highly suspicious. The entire premise of her ''alliance'' with Tevinter -that the Templars were marching in force against Redcliffe- was false, she had the means to verify it, and she didn't do so. How do you call that save incompetence?
So Fiona and her mages, who had no prior military training and lived in seclusion for most of their adult lives reading books and studying, could scout in a similar fashion to Leliana's people?
So Fiona and her mages, who had no prior military training and lived in seclusion for most of their adult lives reading books and studying, could scout in a similar fashion to Leliana's people?
They're freaking mages. Don't tell me none of them know even one spell that could help spot a giant army on the move.
I don't hate her but she did strike as being extremely hypocritical when she was bashing the Grey Wardens. Unlike her ragtag bunch, the Order while having flaws like any, has done much for Thedas, more than any other if you ask me. While her idiotic entitled mages only caused problems for everyone throughout the series while adding tremendous weight on their caretakers, be it Templars or Inquisition. I only wish there were proper dialogue options to put the stupid woman in her place.
It was a difficult situation to be sure, but she wanted to do the right thing for her mages (including apprentices ranging from young children to teenagers)...and protect them from being slaughtered by the templars. And not all mages in Redcliffe were rebells who wanted to die for the cause. Maybe some of them like Linnea, but they were probably the minority.
Then maybe she shouldn't have placed her charges in danger in the first place by not rebelling against the Circle.
The Circles are much preferable to being on the bottom of the totem in Tevinter. For one, there aren't fanatical cow-men around.
So Fiona and her mages, who had no prior military training and lived in seclusion for most of their adult lives reading books and studying, could scout in a similar fashion to Leliana's people?
Then maybe she shouldn't have placed her charges in danger in the first place by not rebelling against the Circle.
The Circles are much preferable to being on the bottom of the totem in Tevinter. For one, there aren't fanatical cow-men around.
I know, whats a little rape here and there. Or tranquility for that matter right? Fun and parties for everyone! Just wait for me to lock the door behind you so you will never get out again in your life. 
If they cant get the basics tatics of war, they shouldnt have started one.
They didn´t. They just said no for the Circles. That is not a declaration of war.
Yes it is, Fiona knew it, she expected it and she thought she was prepared for it.They didn´t. They just said no for the Circles. That is not a declaration of war.
Yes it is, Fiona knew it, she expected it and she thought she was prepared for it.
No it is not. You need to look it up. Only war hungry murderous templars interpreted it to be so that they can kill mages.
"My fellow mages! No longer will we endure the oppression of the Circle! Instead, let us endure the oppression of the Tevinter Imperium!"
I know, whats a little rape here and there. Or tranquility for that matter right? Fun
and parties for everyone! Just wait for me to lock the door behind you so you will never get out again in your life.
Because Tevinters don't rape? And David Gaider already confirmed Tevinter use the Rite of Tranquility must more freely than the Templars. They just love accusing rivals of "abuse of magic".
Being the little fish in a pond of sharks that wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice you in a blood magic ritual and will just use you as cannon fodder?
I'll take the luxurious tower where you don't have to work for a living.
Are you going to tell me she didnt expect the Templars and Seekers to hunt them? She knew it would lead to war, only if you are blind you cant see it.No it is not. You need to look it up.
Because Tevinters don't rape? And David Gaider already confirmed Tevinter use the Rite of Tranquility must more freely than the Templars. They just love accusing rivals of "abuse of magic".
Being the little fish in a pond of sharks that wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice you in a blood magic ritual and will just use you as cannon fodder?
I'll take the luxurious tower where you don't have to work for a living.
In Tevinter mages are free. That is the fundamental difference, despite someone getting tranquiled for various reasons.
Sure you would take it, try jail for like 40 years and then come back to me again.
Are you going to tell me she didnt expect the Templars and Seekers to hunt them? She knew it would lead to war, only if you are blind you cant see it.
You ever heard of passive resistance? In what point mages declared to kill anyone opposing them?
Unless you are a mage slave, like Calpernia was.In Tevinter mages are free. That is the fundamental difference, despite someone getting tranquiled for various reasons.
Sure you would take it, try jail for like 40 years and then come back to me again.
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