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[TheLastArchivist]

****, I ran out of popcorn.

[Shahadem]

Funny thing, though, freed slaves, even mage slaves, in Tevinter don't get to be Soporoti or Laetan, they're Liberati, a sub-class for freedman.

 

Those mages would not be allowed anything higher than the lowest ranks in the Tevinter Circles.  They could own property, but otherwise have limited rights, and no representation in the government.  They would still be the lowest of the low.

 

This is assuming that they weren't all turned into sacrifices for Tevinter blood magic. And just how was Alexius and 2 other mages going to provide more protection for the rebel mages than the 500+ strong mage army that was already there?

 

The entire quest was beyond ridiculous and demonstrative of the terrible writing that went into DA:I's story.

[Aimi]

****, I ran out of popcorn.

I favor cashews, myself.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I favor cashews, myself.

All I need is a decently tall glass of whatever coke substitute is in our fridge that day.

[Don Lionheart]

I have come too make Raga prediction come true, what the **** woman are the only one to think that way? It's not like men couldn't possbily be as fickle as us lonely females roles eyes.

 

Haha, maybe he was giving women a compliment saying they're more cunning then men?  Lol.  Trying to be a peacemaker before this turns into a flame thread; we've been so productive, and I'm quite enjoying it, especially because I started the thread!

[Cainhurst Crow]

Here I thought all the mage fanatics lost all interest in dragon age forums after inquisition hit. Good to see the last vanguard rear its ugly head in one convenient thread.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

Sorry for being late, what have I missed?

[Don Lionheart]

Here I thought all the mage fanatics lost all interest in dragon age forums after inquisition hit. Good to see the last vanguard rear its ugly head in one convenient thread.

 

Mage fanatics?  Explain please.  I've found that it's been 2-1 against Fiona, and for every mage defender there's been 2 mage attackers, so I'm interested in how you back up this statement.  It was not started to defend mages, it was designed as a Fiona discussion.

[Ryriena]

Haha, maybe he was giving women a compliment saying they're more cunning then men? Lol. Trying to be a peacemaker before this turns into a flame thread; we've been so productive, and I'm quite enjoying it, especially because I started the thread!

True this is, why I said we woman aren't always fickle. Also mostly joking with that comment.

[Ryriena]

Mage fanatics? Explain please. I've found that it's been 2-1 against Fiona, and for every mage defender there's been 2 mage attackers, so I'm interested in how you back up this statement. It was not started to defend mages, it was designed as a Fiona discussion.

I am a Mage fanatic, since I mostly play as a mage character due to firestorm and winter grasps. But even I can see why people dislike Fiona since I am one of them.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Mage fanatics?  Explain please.  I've found that it's been 2-1 against Fiona, and for every mage defender there's been 2 mage attackers, so I'm interested in how you back up this statement.  It was not started to defend mages, it was designed as a Fiona discussion.

 

Let's see.

 

1. Defending the tranquils sacrifice to tevinter by claiming tevinter treats all mages better.

2. Completely fan-coning(retcon by fans) tevinter's attitude towards southern mages in a bid to make them seem less evil

3. Defending slavery because a mage is the slave owner.

4. Defending all mages who don't follow the revolution as being traitors

5. it's "Stockhold Syndrome" to be a mage and not hate templars, even if your fellow mages call you a mage-traitor and try to kill you.

6. "Mages have no rights" except that they have a ton more rights than normal thedas citizens.

7. "Fiona did nothing wrong"

8. "Tevinter did nothing wrong"

9. "Anders did nothing wrong"

10. Calling all those critical of mages "mage attackers" instead of simply calling them "people who disagree with me on this one point".

[Don Lionheart]

Let's see.

 

1. Defending the tranquils sacrifice to tevinter by claiming tevinter treats all mages better.

2. Completely fan-coning(retcon by fans) tevinter's attitude towards southern mages in a bid to make them seem less evil

3. Defending slavery because a mage is the slave owner.

4. Defending all mages who don't follow the revolution as being traitors

5. it's "Stockhold Syndrome" to be a mage and not hate templars, even if your fellow mages call you a mage-traitor and try to kill you.

6. "Mages have no rights" except that they have a ton more rights than normal thedas citizens.

7. "Fiona did nothing wrong"

8. "Tevinter did nothing wrong"

9. "Anders did nothing wrong"

10. Calling all those critical of mages "mage attackers" instead of simply calling them "people who disagree with me on this one point".

 

My question was not what arguments people are making, but rather how you can classify this as a thread defending mages when so many more are NOT defending them than defending them.  However, I'm going to address your #10 because that's aimed at me.  I only used the term "mage attacker" because I was referring to people who defend mages as "mage defenders" rather than calling them "mage fanatics" (like you did, and fanatic is an overwhelmingly negative term), and the opposite of a defender is an attacker.  I was trying to keep this simple, rather than complicating it by saying "those who disagree on the subject of mages," which is just a silly thing to do.  I was also keeping it objective because I'm not taking a stance because I want to hear what other people say, so those against mages attack them, and those who are with them defend them.  It would be no different than a "Templar defender" and a "Templar attacker" if this was a thread about Templars. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

My question was not what arguments people are making, but rather how you can classify this as a thread defending mages when so many more are NOT defending them than defending them.  However, I'm going to address your #10 because that's aimed at me.  I only used the term "mage attacker" because I was referring to people who defend mages as "mage defenders" rather than calling them "mage fanatics" (like you did, and fanatic is an overwhelmingly negative term), and the opposite of a defender is an attacker.  I was trying to keep this simple, rather than complicating it by saying "those who disagree on the subject of mages," which is just a silly thing to do.  I was also keeping it objective because I'm not taking a stance because I want to hear what other people say, so those against mages attack them, and those who are with them defend them.  It would be no different than a "Templar defender" and a "Templar attacker" if this was a thread about Templars. 

 

The thread itself is not a mage fanatic thread. A small amount of people posting in it are mage fanatics however. Those small amount of posters are the "last vanguard" I refer to, rearing their heads and unleashing their wrath upon the other posters.

 

And I 100% disagree with you when it comes to the terminology and reasoning behind it. It promotes a duality and encourages narrow mindsets when approaching this issue. I believe its why we get terms like "stockholm syndrome" and "traitor" thrown around when describing mages who aren't 100% mage freedom.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I'm also "pro-mage" if one is allowed to be a moderate on this issue and still be considered "pro-mage."  I'm just a proponent of gradualism and not "Viva la Revalucion!"

 

Same here. I laugh when people accuse me of being anti-mage, since I daresay my ideals are more accommodating to mages than their own blind and forceful applications of "FREEDAHM!!!"™ would be.

[Don Lionheart]

The thread itself is not a mage fanatic thread. A small amount of people posting in it are mage fanatics however. Those small amount of posters are the "last vanguard" I refer to, rearing their heads and unleashing their wrath upon the other posters.

 

And I 100% disagree with you when it comes to the terminology and reasoning behind it. It promotes a duality and encourages narrow mindsets when approaching this issue. I believe its why we get terms like "stockholm syndrome" and "traitor" thrown around when describing mages who aren't 100% mage freedom.

 

To the first point, that's a fair statement and I respect that, I'm sure there are those here who would defend mages to the point of them killing each other and justifying it; there are people like that among all factions.

 

As for why we get those terms, I can't say, but I will say I respectfully disagree with the notion that my use of terms to simplify the issue is a part of the cause.

[DanteYoda]

I like her, i'd romance her if i could, but i'm stuck with these ...others..

 

I'm "pro-mage" i just don't feel the need to follow the story "religiously"

[Addai]

2. Completely fan-coning(retcon by fans) tevinter's attitude towards southern mages in a bid to make them seem less evil

It's interesting that you think you know this about Tevinter.

5. it's "Stockhold Syndrome" to be a mage and not hate templars, even if your fellow mages call you a mage-traitor and try to kill you.

I used that term, and not with your definition, rather in reference to the First Enchanters cooperating in oppressing themselves and their own kind. And it fits. But of course the towers are all Hogwarts, mages should feel lucky, etc., even those that starve in the dark or are so despairing that they'd prefer to have their throats slit than live under that system.

As for the rest, it's poor baiting, 4/10, points given for claiming that you just want forum posters to get along better.

[Paragonslustre]

It actually makes me wonder why you couldn't judge her in the game because she literally stands around doing nothing.  Maybe she's going to have a meatier role in DLC or DA4 (if we get one).  Surely it can't be down to an oversight .... can it?

[Herr Uhl]

It actually makes me wonder why you couldn't judge her in the game because she literally stands around doing nothing.  Maybe she's going to have a meatier role in DLC or DA4 (if we get one).  Surely it can't be down to an oversight .... can it?

 

Considering that you have to kill her by getting the templars, I doubt it.

 

5. it's "Stockhold Syndrome" to be a mage and not hate templars, even if your fellow mages call you a mage-traitor and try to kill you.

 

Stockholm Syndrome.

[Barquiel]

It actually makes me wonder why you couldn't judge her in the game because she literally stands around doing nothing.  Maybe she's going to have a meatier role in DLC or DA4 (if we get one).  Surely it can't be down to an oversight .... can it?

Because Anora and/or Alistair dealt with the matter themselves (which makes sense), they banish Fiona from Ferelden. Josephine tells the inquisitor that you can only judge Alexius because Ferelden has given him to the Inquisition as acknowledgement of your aid.

[Tremere]

*laughs & smh* I'm sometimes inclined to think that the disconnect between who a character is in books and comics, versus what they become in-game is the stuff that serves to do nothing but maintain interest in the respective game... Even a bad one. It's like BioWare is exercising some kind of weird pyscho-social experiment that we pay to be a part of. *laugh - snort*

[Paragonslustre]

Considering that you have to kill her by getting the templars, I doubt it.

 

Oh, that slipped my mind - I haven't played the Templar version yet    

 

ETA:  Since when did that mean anything?  There are a lot of people wondering how Leli made it to DAI.  Evil twin maybe?

 

Because Anora and/or Alistair dealt with the matter themselves (which makes sense), they banish Fiona from Ferelden. Josephine tells the inquisitor that you can only judge Alexius because Ferelden has given him to the Inquisition as acknowledgement of your aid.

 

But she's standing right there!  I applaud Alistair's (in my game) decision.  Now allow me to kick her the hell out of my Fortress for selling the mages down the river 

[legbamel]

I haven't seen anyone mention the fact that Alexius and his retinue showing up in Redcliffe two days after the Conclave despite their having ti have trekked across a couple of countries to get there as a reason Fona should have been exceedingly suspicious of him so I'll just throw that out there. As an added bonus, everyone telking Fiona to take the deal was a stranger to her. Nah, nothing that should have raised red flags there. Let's all go to Tevinter!