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[SgtSteel91]

Also Alexius came with his offer nearly right after the Convlave exploded and many people would point their fingers at the Mages for the Divine's death and the creation of the Breach. For all they knew, the Monarchy would have turned on them and gladly given them to the Templars or any mob that formed demanding Justice. Fereldan was already being given **** for harboring the Mages, like Starkhaven putting sanctions on their trade as a sign of protest and people kind of wanting the Mages in Fereldan to leave since the War was spilling over on their land. Alexius' offer, before he changed it, was to take the Redcliff Mages to Tevinter and work as indentured servants until they became full citizens, by Tevinter immigration laws.

[Lumix19]

Also Alexius came with his offer nearly right after the Convlave exploded and many people would point their fingers at the Mages for the Divine's death and the creation of the Breach. For all they knew, the Monarchy would have turned on them and gladly given them to the Templars or any mob that formed demanding Justice. Fereldan was already being given **** for harboring the Mages, like Starkhaven putting sanctions on their trade as a sign of protest. Alexius' offer, before he changed it, was to take the Redcliff Mages to Tevinter and work as indentured servants until they became full citizens, by Tevinter immigration laws.

This is true as well. Fiona must have felt the common people blamed the mages so sought to leave.

[AshenEndymion]

Fiona specifically states when you meet her that the Templar attacks grew worse so obviously they were already happening, that's what drove the desperation.

 

Fiona specifically fails to mention Templar attacks at all, when you meet her in Val Royeaux.  So obviously the Templar attacks that occurred prior to Alexius showing up were perpetrated by Alexius and his Venatori, or non-existent and made up by the Venatori agents who were impersonating southern Circle mages.

[Lumix19]

Fiona specifically fails to mention Templar attacks at all, when you meet her in Val Royeaux. So obviously the Templar attacks that occurred prior to Alexius showing up were perpetrated by Alexius and his Venatori, or non-existent and made up by the Venatori agents who were impersonating southern Circle mages.

Or in the unaltered timeline the mages had repelled them until they were recalled by Envy. Why bother mentioning it if it's dealt with?

Edit: She mentions them in Redcliffe in case you are wondering

[SgtSteel91]

Another point, the Mages lost the War when the Conclave exploded. They weren't realistically going to take out the entire Templar Order, their only chance of winning was to survive and get the Chnatry to listen to their plight and come together as equals to make a better system. With the Divine dead and now a Breach spewing Demons everywhere, their only real hope of not getting lynched was to win back the people's trust (unlikely since they got no favors for helping in the Exalted Marches or the Blights) or get out of town. Fiona tried the former by going to the Inquisition and offering an alliance but Alexius went back in time and came to Fiona with his offer first. And with your life and your people's lives on the line, I can't fault her for taking the deal and not wait until a better offer came out of nowhere, if they weren't lynched first.

[AshenEndymion]

Or in the unaltered timeline the mages had repelled them until they were recalled by Envy. Why bother mentioning it if it's dealt with?

Edit: She mentions them in Redcliffe in case you are wondering

 

Following the explosion, there were Templars primarily in three places:  With Lord Seeker Lucius, at the White Spire, or with the Inquisition.  Renegade Templars were patrolling everywhere searching for Apostates, but they refused to be commanded by anyone.  If there was a large contingent of Templars within striking distance of Redcliffe(where most of the rebel mages had holed up prior to the Conclave), very few mages would have shown up to the conclave for fear of what could happen to their friends/family while they were gone.

 

Fiona only mentions Templars when you meet her in Redcliffe because Alexius fabricated a story to make her desperate.  And Fiona believes the story, without any evidence, because she's incompetent.

[Ashagar]

The Templars were not decapitated. Nor were the mages, they sent negotiators in their stead so the leadership was somewhat still intact. And I think you mean the Templars were rallying to Therinfal Redoubt not White Spire. I think it's possible Envy took over as Lucius and ordered attacks on the mages, supposedly to punish them for the Conclave explosion but more likely to drive them into the arms of the Venatori then later recalled them.


Fiona specifically states when you meet her that the Templar attacks grew worse so obviously they were already happening, that's what drove the desperation.

 

Except the Templars were effectively without high level leadership. Even the Knight-vigilant, the head of the Templar order was at the conclave but managed to survive only to get murdered by the red Templars working for Corypheus so he wouldn't spot the fake lord seeker because the high level Templars would see that envy wasn't the lord seeker and we don't see any of the Knight Divines, who besides normally acting as the divine's bodyguards make the order's rules. From what I seen that seems to left mostly knight captains and low as well as some  knight commander not of all whom obeyed the orders to go to Therinfal rebout.

 

As for the seekers they were taken out by Lord Lucius sending them off to their deaths.

[Lumix19]

Following the explosion, there were Templars primarily in three places:  With Lord Seeker Lucius, at the White Spire, or with the Inquisition.  Renegade Templars were patrolling everywhere searching for Apostates, but they refused to be commanded by anyone.  If there was a large contingent of Templars within striking distance of Redcliffe(where most of the rebel mages had holed up prior to the Conclave), very few mages would have shown up to the conclave for fear of what could happen to their friends/family while they were gone.
 
Fiona only mentions Templars when you meet her in Redcliffe because Alexius fabricated a story to make her desperate.  And Fiona believes the story, without any evidence, because she's incompetent.

The White Spire stands empty, the Cleric in Val Royeux says that. And weren't Lucius and the other Templars at Therinfal Redoubt? When Leliana sends out her Ravens to proclaim the formation of the Inquisition I thought the Ravens go to Redcliffe and Therinfal Redoubt. And Therinfal is in Fereldan so possibly only a day's march away Redcliffe. Besides few mages did go to the Conclave because they suspected it was a trap but they still had to send negotiators. And I stand by the fact that Fiona said Templar attacks grew worse which suggests she had seen these attacks first hand.

Except the Templars were effectively without high level leadership. Even the Knight-vigilant, the head of the Templar order was at the conclave but managed to survive only to get murdered by the red Templars working for Corypheus so he wouldn't spot the fake lord seeker because the high level Templars would see that envy wasn't the lord seeker and we don't see any of the Knight Divines, who besides normally acting as the divine's bodyguards make the order's rules. From what I seen that seems to left mostly knight captains and low as well as some  knight commander not of all whom obeyed the orders to go to Therinfal rebout.
 
As for the seekers they were taken out by Lord Lucius sending them off to their deaths.

Yes but Lucius/Envy was still there so he was in command, he just didn't have any high level peers to question his orders.

[SgtSteel91]

Fiona only mentions Templars when you meet her in Redcliffe because Alexius fabricated a story to make her desperate.  And Fiona believes the story, without any evidence, because she's incompetent.

 

Or maybe because Fiona doesn't want to take chances and get her people killed by Templars. And it's reasonable to believe that Templars would have been coming to kill them, three days after the Divine's death and the creation of the Breach. So she was in a rock and a hard place and took a chance for people to actually live and perhaps have a better life in Tevinter? Better than Southern Thedas, especially after the Conclave explosion and the Breach.

 

Or would you suggest she take refuge in Redcliff Castle with her hundreds of Mages and the entirety of Redcliff villiage? Does that sound reasonable? Taking that many people in? Or would you suggest Arl Tegan would take the Mages and leave the villagers to defend themselves?

 

Don't forget that the people of Redcliff were taught to fear and distrust magic and Mages by the Chantry, was recently attacked by the undead by a Mage, who they still have not forgiven, and that Fereldan was getting sanctioned by it's traders for taking in the Mages and is getting ravaged by skirmishes between Templars and Mages in the Hinterlands and Redcliff villiage was getting damaged by the Mages staying there

 

So maybe Fiona couldn't count on Fereldan protecting her people and her only choice to keep them safe would have been to accept Alexius' help.

[Ranadiel Marius]

 

So maybe Fiona couldn't count on Fereldan protecting her and her people and her only choice would have been to accept Alexius' help.

Maker ****** damn it, the proper response if she didn't believe that she could trust the Fereldan crown to protect her people is either negotiate to get them to do more to help or to leave. The proper response is not to take over one of their most important territories. How is this a hard concept for people to get?

 

She wants to negotiate to get her people TI citizenship? Fine w/e stupid plan from a PR perspective but I can understand why she would want to do it, but don't go along with taking over territory you can't hold. Especially not when you have to get through two countries before you can get to your new home. Had Alexius been on the up and up and not recruiting for a doomsday cult, the Fereldan Army would have ended up cutting down all the mages before they could reach Orlais. The stupidity of this plan reaches levels that I can not even begin to grasp.

[Lumix19]

Maker ****** damn it, the proper response if she didn't believe that she could trust the Fereldan crown to protect her people is either negotiate to get them to do more to help or to leave. The proper response is not to take over one of their most important territories. How is this a hard concept for people to get?
 
She wants to negotiate to get her people TI citizenship? Fine w/e stupid plan from a PR perspective but I can understand why she would want to do it, but don't go along with taking over territory you can't hold. Especially not when you have to get through two countries before you can get to your new home. Had Alexius been on the up and up and not recruiting for a doomsday cult, the Fereldan Army would have ended up cutting down all the mages before they could reach Orlais. The stupidity of this plan reaches levels that I can not even begin to grasp.

If Alexius hadn't been recruiting for the Venatori the mages probably would have left Redcliffe immediately without seizing it. Maybe gone to a nearby port and sailed away. But that's a moot point. Alexius probably seized the village after the mages had been acquired so there wasn't a whole lot Fiona could do. She could of contested I suppose but then she would be putting her people in harm's way since she would be fighting Alexius' forces within Redcliffe itself.

[SgtSteel91]

She didn't take over Redcliff Caslte, Alexius did. And I doubt she was expecting Alexius to evict the Arl. But what could she really do about it? Fight Alexius? He and his Venatori are a proper army. Fiona may have been a Grey Warden, but I doubt she and her people could stand up to Alexius. Wait for the Arl and the Monarch? Look what happened at the end of In Hushed Whispers, they were evicted from Fereldan. Do you know they were going through Fereldan and Orlais to get to Tevinter? Maybe they were going to the Storm Coast and take a boat all the way to Tevinter. You find Venatori on the Storm Coast, so that seems probable.

[SgtSteel91]

And do people also forget Alexius had time on his side with his Time Magic? At first Fiona did the right thing and go the Inquisition to offer an alliance. Alexius went back in time and changed that. What would have happened if Fiona said no or sent scouts to look for Templars or whatever? Alexius would have save-scummed and tried another tactic to get her people under his control. Or just erase her from time like he tried with the Inquisitor.

 

She had no chance of winning against Alexius without the Inquisitor's help.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Another point, the Mages lost the War when the Conclave exploded. They weren't realistically going to take out the entire Templar Order, their only chance of winning was to survive and get the Chnatry to listen to their plight and come together as equals to make a better system. With the Divine dead and now a Breach spewing Demons everywhere, their only real hope of not getting lynched was to win back the people's trust (unlikely since they got no favors for helping in the Exalted Marches or the Blights) or get out of town. Fiona tried the former by going to the Inquisition and offering an alliance but Alexius went back in time and came to Fiona with his offer first. And with your life and your people's lives on the line, I can't fault her for taking the deal and not wait until a better offer came out of nowhere, if they weren't lynched first.

That's if you assume the crown's offer of support was untrustworthy. Were they given reason to believe so other than a cynical assumption that the king and/or queen were willing to betray commitments they had willingly made (and knew or should have known would carry the consequences they did) due to pressure from subordinates? (Which isn't even slightly fair to automatically assume of Alistair even if I could believe it of Anora?)

 

She didn't take over Redcliff Caslte, Alexius did. And I doubt she was expecting Alexius to evict the Arl. But what could she really do about it? Fight Alexius? He and his Venatori are a proper army. Fiona may have been a Grey Warden, but I doubt she and her people could stand up to Alexius. Wait for the Arl and the Monarch? Look what happened at the end of In Hushed Whispers, they were evicted from Fereldan. Do you know they were going through Fereldan and Orlais to get to Tevinter? Maybe they were going to the Storm Coast and take a boat all the way to Tevinter. You find Venatori on the Storm Coast, so that seems probable.

She would have had some chance of getting out of this if she'd sold Alexius out to Ferelden or to the Inquisition at the very first chance. That she does not attempt this is a large part of the reason many on this forum are exasperated with her.

 

As for the question of whether or not the Tevinters planned on a sea trip to Tevinter, where would they get the boats? How would they defend them while loading the mages on to them? How would they defend the wagon trains that would still be needed to get the mages to the coast? This idea improves things, but not by enough.

 

And do people also forget Alexius had time on his side with his Time Magic? At first Fiona did the right thing and go the Inquisition to offer an alliance. Alexius went back in time and changed that. What would have happened if Fiona said no or sent scouts to look for Templars or whatever? Alexius would have save-scummed and tried another tactic to get her people under his control. Or just erase her from time like he tried with the Inquisitor.

 

She had no chance of winning against Alexius without the Inquisitor's help.

I am judging her because that was unnecessary. I can see a way out of the trap she was actually in, and believe that she was stupid not to have seen and taken it; the question of whether he would immediately have improved upon it is relevant to her own competency if and only if she knew that that was possible and changed her mind for that reason due to the hopelessness of attempting to resist a time mage.

 

Also, it is impossible for Alexius to erase Fiona from the timeline. He can only retcon events that happened after the Breach opened; my understanding is that time travel is objectively impossible and that objective reality is to some degree out to lunch after the Breach is opened due to the Fade touching the physical realm more closely. Whatever rule causes time travel to be impossible before the Breach opens, it means that he cannot cause her to have never existed at all, as her parents had already conceived her and she had already grown up before his influence over time began. He can ambush her at any time after The Breach opened, even in her sleep, but as an experienced former Warden she ought to be at least a fair fight when she's awake and smart enough to take some precautions against waking up with a hole in her neck. (And that's assuming that that would kill a sufficiently powerful mage, which is not at all clear given that Morrigan can save herself from a wound that I don't think any real-life surgeon could have saved her from before the Cold War.) Anyway this is all moot due to the above paragraph.

[AshenEndymion]

 

Or maybe because Fiona doesn't want to take chances and get her people killed by Templars. And it's reasonable to believe that Templars would have been coming to kill them, three days after the Divine's death and the creation of the Breach. So she was in a rock and a hard place and took a chance for people to actually live and perhaps have a better life in Tevinter? Better than Southern Thedas, especially after the Conclave explosion and the Breach.

 

So, what you're saying is that you agree that Fiona is an incompetent leader... If you're going to start a rebellion with the slogan "freedom from the Circles or death", having people die at the hands of the Templars is a good thing...

 

And while it's reasonable to think that the Templars would be coming for the mages after the explosion at the conclave, it's unreasonable to think that the Templars would be showing up to Redcliffe, with an army outfitted to take Redcliffe Castle, within a week, or even a month, of the explosion...  But Fiona didn't believe the Templars were on their way, she believed they were already there.  And that's an easy thing to check, but she didn't, so your position of Fiona "being between a rock and a hard place" is a fantasy created to justify Fiona selling out her own people.

 

Or would you suggest she take refuge in Redcliff Castle with her hundreds of Mages and the entirety of Redcliff villiage? Does that sound reasonable? Taking that many people in? Or would you suggest Arl Tegan would take the Mages and leave the villagers to defend themselves?

 

You act like Arl Teagan would be forced to choose between his villagers and the mages... That it'd be impossible to fit both inside the castle... The same castle that held the people of Redcliffe Village, the Arl's Army, and a contingent of each of the factions(the Dwarven Army, Cricle mages or Templars, and Dalish elves) during the Darkspawn attack...

 

If Arl Teagan were forced to make a choice, he'd choose the villagers over the mages... But he wouldn't need to make that choice unless the mages did something stupid like selling themselves to Tevinter, and declaring themselves rulers of Redcliffe...

 

Don't forget that the people of Redcliff were taught to fear and distrust magic and Mages by the Chantry, was recently attacked by the undead by a Mage, who they still have not forgiven, and that Fereldan was getting sanctioned by it's traders for taking in the Mages and is getting ravaged by skirmishes between Templars and Mages in the Hinterlands and Redcliff villiage was getting damaged by the Mages staying there

 

No... The people of Redcliffe were taught to fear and distrust magic and mages by mages who did things like becoming possessed by demons and destroying the town, and then assisting in the Tevinter takeover of the region.  Perhaps if mages could stop being idiots and actively endangering the lives of the people, they wouldn't be feared so much...

 

So maybe Fiona couldn't count on Fereldan protecting her people and her only choice to keep them safe would have been to accept Alexius' help.

 

If Fiona didn't count on Ferelden protecting her people, she'd have never had them stop in Redcliffe... 

 

Honestly, you'd probably be better off arguing that Fiona realized she was an idiot and way over her head, so, by allying with Alexius, Fiona was really just abdicating leadership of the mage Rebellion to a Tevinter Magister...  I'd believe that more than "Fiona sold the rebel mages into slavery to Tevinter in order to save them from slavery in the Circle."

[SgtSteel91]

It was indenture servitude for 10 years and then freedom in Tevinter as opposed to death or eternal imprisonment and abuse in the Circles.

 

Why do you assume that the Redcliff Mages were already living in Redcliff Castle? Or consider that Time was changed so in this new timeline, real Templars actually tried to march on Redcliff and were scared off by Alexius. You never met Fiona in Orlas so there could have been other things that changed.

 

The Mage's position in Fereldan was already in question with the sanctions placed on Fereldan because of their presence. It stands to reason that it would have gotten much worse after the Divine was killed and the Veil torn open by magic and fighting in the Hinterlands starting afterwards. And there are people in Fereldan who want the Mages to leave like the writer of the Codex entry "Fereldan After the Blight" and Arl Wulf, who prepared the Mages for Alexius because he thought the Mages would have a better life in Tevinter than Fereldan and Fereldan wouldn't have to suffer from their presence.

 

Taking Redcliff Castle was never Fiona's intention. She says that when the Monarchs arrive at the end of the mission. Unfortunately, she can't really do anything about it because if she tries to fight back, her people get hurt at worst and at best, she's stuck in Fereldan with people growing to hate their presence and no where else to go. And if she leaves, then Fereldan gets pissed at her and her people for letting Tevinters take Redcliff Castle and are accepted no where else. So she's fucked either way.

 

But whatever, I don't think Fiona is incompetent or a fool given the situation after the Conclave explosion and the Venatori's manipulations and I even agree with her that at the time, taking the deal was the best option they could have hoped for before Alexius took over Redcliff Castle and revealed he was going to make her people conscripted soldiers.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

 

Why do you assume that the Redcliff Mages were already living in Redcliff Castle?

Why do you assume she wouldn't have access to it should that become relevant?

 

Or consider that Time was changed so in this new timeline, real Templars actually tried to march on Redcliff and were scared off by Alexius.

I don't know how Alexius could have arranged either of these things to happen. His comrades don't control the Templars at this stage and he doesn't have anything particularly scary to them. He has soldiers, but the Templars do too.

 

The Mage's position in Fereldan was already in question with the sanctions placed on Fereldan because of their presence. It stands to reason that it would have gotten much worse after the Divine was killed and the Veil torn open by magic and fighting in the Hinterlands starting afterwards. And there are people in Fereldan who want the Mages to leave like the writer of the Codex entry "Fereldan After the Blight" and Arl Wulf, who prepared the Mages for Alexius because he thought the Mages would have a better life in Tevinter than Fereldan and Fereldan wouldn't have to suffer from their presence.

Again: the monarch of Ferelden knew or should have known that these sanctions and grumblings would result from taking in the mages. It's not news to he/she/them that mages are feared. If they did not view this result as acceptable, one would think he/she/they wouldn't have done what he/she/they did at all.

 

Taking Redcliff Castle was never Fiona's intention. She says that when the Monarchs arrive at the end of the mission. Unfortunately, she can't really do anything about it because if she tries to fight back, her people get hurt at worst and at best, she's stuck in Fereldan with people growing to hate their presence and no where else to go. And if she leaves, then Fereldan gets pissed at her and her people for letting Tevinters take Redcliff Castle and are accepted no where else. So she's fucked either way.

Her single best chance at getting out of the contract whose true terms she comes to know damn well she doesn't know with minimal loss of life to her people is to make an arrangement with the Inquisitor (or the Crown, if she can get a message to them without drawing Venatori attention) as soon as the opportunity arises. She didn't know the opportunity had arose when she made the deal with Alexius, because he had prevented it. Fine. That was well done on his part. But why exactly did she allow the man whom she knew she could not trust to handle negotiations with her potential out instead of sneaking an emissary to them when she did find out she had one?

 

But whatever, I don't think Fiona is incompetent or a fool given the situation after the Conclave explosion and the Venatori's manipulations and I even agree with her that at the time, taking the deal was the best option they could have hoped for before Alexius took over Redcliff Castle and revealed he was going to make her people conscripted soldiers.

It's the fact that she keeps her end of the bargain after this happens that really galls people, I think. Acting on Alexius's breach of the contract would have cost some of her peoples' lives, but it should be obvious to her that there is no choice open to her that won't. Trying to gain their freedom would have been risking complete defeat and the survivors being enslaved, but that was more or less true of her choice to rebel in the first place. (I say more or less because the Circles are more quarantine than enslavement.)

[Lumix19]

 

 

Why do you assume she wouldn't have access to it should that become relevant?

 

I don't know how Alexius could have arranged either of these things to happen. His comrades don't control the Templars at this stage and he doesn't have anything particularly scary to them. He has soldiers, but the Templars do too.

 

Again: the monarch of Ferelden knew or should have known that these sanctions and grumblings would result from taking in the mages. It's not news to he/she/them that mages are feared. If they did not view this result as acceptable, one would think he/she/they wouldn't have done what he/she/they did at all.

 

Her single best chance at getting out of the contract whose true terms she comes to know damn well she doesn't know with minimal loss of life to her people is to make an arrangement with the Inquisitor (or the Crown, if she can get a message to them without drawing Venatori attention) as soon as the opportunity arises. She didn't know the opportunity had arose when she made the deal with Alexius, because he had prevented it. Fine. That was well done on his part. But why exactly did she allow the man whom she knew she could not trust to handle negotiations with her potential out instead of sneaking an emissary to them when she did find out she had one?

 

It's the fact that she keeps her end of the bargain after this happens that really galls people, I think. Acting on Alexius's breach of the contract would have cost some of her peoples' lives, but it should be obvious to her that there is no choice open to her that won't. Trying to gain their freedom would have been risking complete defeat and the survivors being enslaved, but that was more or less true of her choice to rebel in the first place. (I say more or less because the Circles are more quarantine than enslavement.)

 

I'm pretty sure Envy replaced Lucius quite a while back, either before or during the Conclave. Envy notes that he was watching Lucius for weeks and another templar notes that Lucius' opinions on the war changed a short time after he took command. Hence I think it's perfectly possible Alexius and Envy were collaborating to lure in the Rebel Mages.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I'm pretty sure Envy replaced Lucius quite a while back, either before or during the Conclave. Envy notes that he was watching Lucius for weeks and another templar notes that Lucius' opinions on the war changed a short time after he took command. Hence I think it's perfectly possible Alexius and Envy were collaborating to lure in the Rebel Mages.

Fair point, but how would Envy have sold pulling back if it was Alexius's limited resources they were facing? Especially since the change, as I recall it, was going from moderate to hardline? Don't forget that Envy only controls them to a limited extent due to the fact that they hadn't spread the red lyrium throughout the ranks yet.

[Lumix19]

Fair point, but how would Envy have sold pulling back if it was Alexius's resources they were facing? Especially since the change, as I recall it, was going from moderate to hardline?

Envy doesn't have to 'sell' anything. Lucius is not only the highest ranking Seeker but the only one giving orders and any other high ranking leadership was being eliminated (like the Knights-Vigilant). Besides Templars tend to follow Seekers orders unquestionably. Conceivably Envy told the Templars that that he had a powerful way to crush the mage rebellion completely (I.e. Red lyrium). I recall during the Red Water quest you can find a Templar note saying that they have a powerful new lyrium with which to crush the mages

[Shahadem]

 

Or maybe because Fiona doesn't want to take chances and get her people killed by Templars. And it's reasonable to believe that Templars would have been coming to kill them, three days after the Divine's death and the creation of the Breach. So she was in a rock and a hard place and took a chance for people to actually live and perhaps have a better life in Tevinter? Better than Southern Thedas, especially after the Conclave explosion and the Breach.

 

Or would you suggest she take refuge in Redcliff Castle with her hundreds of Mages and the entirety of Redcliff villiage? Does that sound reasonable? Taking that many people in? Or would you suggest Arl Tegan would take the Mages and leave the villagers to defend themselves?

 

Don't forget that the people of Redcliff were taught to fear and distrust magic and Mages by the Chantry, was recently attacked by the undead by a Mage, who they still have not forgiven, and that Fereldan was getting sanctioned by it's traders for taking in the Mages and is getting ravaged by skirmishes between Templars and Mages in the Hinterlands and Redcliff villiage was getting damaged by the Mages staying there

 

So maybe Fiona couldn't count on Fereldan protecting her people and her only choice to keep them safe would have been to accept Alexius' help.

 

You are forgetting just how powerful 500 mages would be. That is a force that is more than capable of taking on and defeating the Templar forces. I know the game mechanics make mages seem on par with Templars, but the game's story makes it very clear that the mages are much, much stronger. And since the mages were entrenched in Redcliffe, the Templars only hope would have been a prolonged siege, something which wouldn't have been possible considering that the Templars, who apparently fell completely out of favor with the Chantry according to what we saw in Val Roy, lacked the supplies and popular support needed to maintain a siege for that long of a period of time.

 

And judging by the fact that Fiona is traveling around without any escort, we know that the mages didn't face any problems following the explosion. So there was never any siege, there was never any attack, and the mages never felt overly threatened. If anything it was the Templars who felt the most threatened as they felt they had no choice but to align with Coryfish. And that happened in both versions of the time line.

 

Actually this creates a plot hole. You can encounter Fiona in Val Roy, and then immediately head to Redcliffe. Now if we assume that Fiona was traveling around trying to find the last couple of mages who didn't know that the mages were now free, or trying to drum up more support or find a more permanent base for the mages, then Fiona would have still been wandering around when you enter the time bubble in Redcliffe such that there would have to be two Fionas, the one in the time bubble and the one outside the time bubble. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Actually this creates a plot hole. You can encounter Fiona in Val Roy, and then immediately head to Redcliffe. Now if we assume that Fiona was traveling around trying to find the last couple of mages who didn't know that the mages were now free, or trying to drum up more support or find a more permanent base for the mages, then Fiona would have still been wandering around when you enter the time bubble in Redcliffe such that there would have to be two Fionas, the one in the time bubble and the one outside the time bubble. 

I didn't think she was wandering to find the last couple of mages or a more permanent base: she wanted to find the Inquisitor. Which means that unless she was handling other errands at the same time she either wouldn't have gone near Val Royeaux or would simply never have left Redcliffe, since she was grabbed up before she knew the Inquisitor existed.

[Lumix19]

You are forgetting just how powerful 500 mages would be. That is a force that is more than capable of taking on and defeating the Templar forces. I know the game mechanics make mages seem on par with Templars, but the game's story makes it very clear that the mages are much, much stronger. And since the mages were entrenched in Redcliffe, the Templars only hope would have been a prolonged siege, something which wouldn't have been possible considering that the Templars, who apparently fell completely out of favor with the Chantry according to what we saw in Val Roy, lacked the supplies and popular support needed to maintain a siege for that long of a period of time.
 
And judging by the fact that Fiona is traveling around without any escort, we know that the mages didn't face any problems following the explosion. So there was never any siege, there was never any attack, and the mages never felt overly threatened. If anything it was the Templars who felt the most threatened as they felt they had no choice but to align with Coryfish. And that happened in both versions of the time line.
 
Actually this creates a plot hole. You can encounter Fiona in Val Roy, and then immediately head to Redcliffe. Now if we assume that Fiona was traveling around trying to find the last couple of mages who didn't know that the mages were now free, or trying to drum up more support or find a more permanent base for the mages, then Fiona would have still been wandering around when you enter the time bubble in Redcliffe such that there would have to be two Fionas, the one in the time bubble and the one outside the time bubble.

If the Templar threat had been dealt with in the unaltered timeline then yes she would probably feel somewhat safe anyway don't you think? But we don't actually know how safe she felt, she might have had an entourage who she left out of sight so she didn't look threatening. Also you underestimate the power of Templars, an army of them could dampen magic around the area to make the mages much less of a threat. I recall a note in Redcliffe in the burning house about this. Some of the apostates had locked themselves within because the rogue Templars had dampened their magics.

[Ranadiel Marius]

If Alexius hadn't been recruiting for the Venatori the mages probably would have left Redcliffe immediately without seizing it. Maybe gone to a nearby port and sailed away. But that's a moot point. Alexius probably seized the village after the mages had been acquired so there wasn't a whole lot Fiona could do. She could of contested I suppose but then she would be putting her people in harm's way since she would be fighting Alexius' forces within Redcliffe itself.

If Alexius's conquest of the castle did occur without her prior knowledge then she has three not horrible options available to her.

1. Murder him in his sleep and put his head on pike near the entrance of Redcliffe and proceed to kick out any Venatori agents, then when the army arrives beg for forgiveness.

2. If Venatori presence is to weak, send emissary to crown explaining what happened and arrange to assist in retaking the castle by having the mages help

3. Inform Alexius that he has broken the terms of the agreement as he has just needlessly put the rebel mages in danger and that she can't trust him to deliver what he has promised. Then take the sane rebel mages someplace else, perhaps throwing themselves at the mercy of the crown. If she is worried he is going to kill them if they try to escape, then skip telling him off and instead leave in the middle of the night.

Of course taking one of these choices would have required her to realize she had **** the bed, which I don't think she did. Honestly I am surprised that the Fereldan monarch didn't demand Fiona's head when they showed up.

[keesio74]

I saved the Templars but always had sympathy for Fiona.

 

One of the things that bugged me a lot is how Fiona did not get her due respect when you fight/kill her. She just shows up as a mini-boss in the middle of the fight with no intro (She was nearly dead when I even noticed that I was fighting a elite enemy called "Fiona"). She deserved a cut scene when she shows up and also one as she dies. Her death is hardly acknowledged for such an important character.