Your point is valid but Fiona wasn't one of potential importance, she was important as the mother of Alistair and the only Warden to ever be cured of the taint. I think that qualifies her for plot armor.
In some other setting it very well might have.
Your point is valid but Fiona wasn't one of potential importance, she was important as the mother of Alistair and the only Warden to ever be cured of the taint. I think that qualifies her for plot armor.
Considering the amount of hate Fiona has gathered, I'd say the only reason you kill her if you side with the Templars was so that the haters could kill her.
Considering the amount of hate Fiona has gathered, I'd say the only reason you kill her if you side with the Templars was so that the haters could kill her.
If you side with the Templars, she becomes your enemy. While what you're mentioning might have something to do with it, being killed is an occupational hazard of being the PC's enemy.
1. She is an important character for the lore. I'm rather shocked that she dies such an anti-climactic death on the Templar path. This alone almost invalidates the entire Templar storyline for me. She is cast aside far too easily. It's such a waste. Maybe you didn't really kill her...
We drove a stake through her heart, cut her head off, filled it with garlic and then throw her body to running water.
That's how you kill a vampire.
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Actually, that should work on just about anybody, vampire or not. 
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1. She is an important character for the lore. I'm rather shocked that she dies such an anti-climactic death on the Templar path. This alone almost invalidates the entire Templar storyline for me. She is cast aside far too easily. It's such a waste. Maybe you didn't really kill her...
Dude, I bashed her head in with a shield and stabbed her multiple times with a sword before dropping an avalanche on her location. She better be dead...
We drove a stake through her heart, cut her head off, filled it with garlic and then throw her body to running water.
That's how you kill a vampire.
Thats what i thought when I read it.I thought it was holy wafers, not garlic?
Wonder how Fiona factors into the Calling cure?
If she described how she went about getting her cure (which requires her to still be alive), and the one who originally caused it to happen (the Architect) is still alive and inclined to be helpful, I believe it could be replicable. Otherwise I don't know what she could provide.
Your point is valid but Fiona wasn't one of potential importance, she was important as the mother of Alistair and the only Warden to ever be cured of the taint. I think that qualifies her for plot armor.
Fiona is important to lore. You know who else is? Maric, and he's dead. Loghain, Alistair and Fiona are all pivotal characters in lore, but they're part of the plot, not it's reason for existence. Fiona dying is just another thread in the tapestry.
Except Maric, Loghain and even Alistair (can) have dramatic and climactic deaths. Fiona did not.
Which strikes me as a welcome dose of realism.
Beg that they rewrite it for we have seen the death of Fiona and it was empty.
Except Maric, Loghain and even Alistair (can) have dramatic and climactic deaths. Fiona did not.
So? Perhaps it's not to be dramatic. Perhaps the quickness to it shows us what it is- an ugly death in an ugly war. War isn't glorious, glamorous or romantic. It's messy and dirty and unfair.
Except Maric, Loghain and even Alistair (can) have dramatic and climactic deaths. Fiona did not.
It should be pointed out that Alistair only gets a "dramatic and climactic" death if his death involves killing the Archdemon. Having him executed for attempting to usurp the Ferelden throne results in Alistair being killed quite unceremoniously and entirely off-screen.
And while all of Loghain's potential deaths are "dramatic and climactic," he is either a major antagonist, or assisting in killing the Archdemon(like Alistair). If Fiona died helping the Inquisitor in some way, she might have gotten(and deserved) a death scene/sequence equivalent to Alistair or Loghain. But since Fiona dies fighting the Inquisitor, she's really only deserving of such a sequence if she's considered a major antagonist(at least if being compared to Loghain). And I would disagree with such a characterization.
I can't really comment on Maric's death because I haven't read the books that take place prior to DAO.
It should be pointed out that Alistair only gets a "dramatic and climactic" death if his death involves killing the Archdemon. Having him executed for attempting to usurp the Ferelden throne results in Alistair being killed quite unceremoniously and entirely off-screen.
And while all of Loghain's potential deaths are "dramatic and climactic," he is either a major antagonist, or assisting in killing the Archdemon(like Alistair). If Fiona died helping the Inquisitor in some way, she might have gotten(and deserved) a death scene/sequence equivalent to Alistair or Loghain. But since Fiona dies fighting the Inquisitor, she's really only deserving of such a sequence if she's considered a major antagonist(at least if being compared to Loghain). And I would disagree with such a characterization.
I can't really comment on Maric's death because I haven't read the books that take place prior to DAO.
Since you don't really 'know' Fiona (Those who have read the books are better versed in understanding her) - those who haven't read the books would not really 'notice' her. Heck - I didn't even believe she was Fiona from 'The Calling' until she talked about Alistair.
For Maric...does he die before Origins? I have only read 'The Calling' and I know that he was presumed Lost at Sea. I have read the comics though and I thought it was quite interesting and I had more feelings about that than I did with Fiona in Inquisition.
For Maric...does he die before Origins?
For Maric...does he die before Origins? I have only read 'The Calling' and I know that he was presumed Lost at Sea. I have read the comics though and I thought it was quite interesting and I had more feelings about that than I did with Fiona in Inquisition.
BountyhunterGER is correct in when Maric dies. However, you read The Calling but you didn't read The Stolen Throne? Seriously, you HAVE to read The Stolen Throne. The Calling was good, don't get me wrong, but The Stolen Throne was better, and much more fascinating because you get a real understanding of the Ferelden Rebellion and how Maric won in the end. Totally puts Loghain in a different light, too, and it gives new meaning to Eamon's description of Loghain in Origins.
BountyhunterGER is correct in when Maric dies. However, you read The Calling but you didn't read The Stolen Throne? Seriously, you HAVE to read The Stolen Throne. The Calling was good, don't get me wrong, but The Stolen Throne was better, and much more fascinating because you get a real understanding of the Ferelden Rebellion and how Maric won in the end. Totally puts Loghain in a different light, too, and it gives new meaning to Eamon's description of Loghain in Origins.
To be honest - I don't really care for Loghain. I like him, I think he is a complex character but at the end of the day - he and Maric are not really interesting enough for me to actually read about them.
I only picked up 'The Calling' because of Duncan and The Architect because I wanted to know more about them. Unfortunately - I still don't like Duncan very much and is pretty much divided when it comes to killing/keeping Architect alive to be honest.
Plus - I pretty much ignore anything Eamon says because I don't like the guy.
Either way - The Calling got me interested in Fiona (and being the potential mother of Alistair before it was confirmed) but to be honest - I feel they dropped the ball with her in Inquisition because everytime I get to Redcliffe, I either want to slap her or face-palm myself.
Though I am gearing myself up to read Asunder because I need to understand what happened to Wynne and to understand the Divine better (though I am wary because it seems like they don't really carry the characterization into the game really well)
I guess I am one of the few that liked Fiona in the calling...I don't agree with her being a Mary-Sue (Katriel on the other hand? That's a Mary-Sue in my opinion, she is just there to be pretty, have Maric fall for her and put a wedge between Rowan and Maric..)
But I hate what they did with (to) her in DAI, her role should have been played by Adrian, it would have made more sense.
I don't know, Fiona should have been murdered or held prisoner or something, overhthrown by Adrian and the other hot headed idiots of mages that was a part of her group.
Spoilers for Asunder follows below:
She's an idiot and would totally have gone to Tevinter for help...hell, she would have gone willingly to Corypheus for help!
I really wish that Adrian would have been in the game instead of (or with) Fiona. Fiona was not an idiot and it's a shame to see her portrayed as such.
They could have placed Adrian in the game and through just a few lines of dialogue, or a codex entry, explained her role.
I don't know about others, but I didn't like her because I had such high hopes for character, granted that I haven't actually read the novels, but from what I heard about her; from slave to Warden to Grand Enchanter, I was expecting someone, I don't know, less pathetic...
Seriously I didn't hate her, I pitied her, to a point. I was expecting someone ballsy and manipulative and/or arrogant ( like Vivienne, though I don't know what she has done to be arrogant about) or at the very least competent. All I found was a mewling kitten begging to be saved from the 'evulz magisterz'.
And after all said and done, after she sold her people in slavery to free them from 'teh oppressive templaaars', after I saved her from her epic failure and still offered an alliance, she had the audacity to tell me, that if given a choice, she'd do it all again. Yeah, maybe I do hate her a bit.
I don't know about others, but I didn't like her because I had such high hopes for character, granted that I haven't actually read the novels, but from what I heard about her; from slave to Warden to Grand Enchanter, I was expecting someone, I don't know, less pathetic...
Seriously I didn't hate her, I pitied her, to a point. I was expecting someone ballsy and manipulative and/or arrogant ( like Vivienne, though I don't know what she has done to be arrogant about) or at the very least competent. All I found was a mewling kitten begging to be saved from the 'evulz magisterz'.
And after all said and done, after she sold her people in slavery to free them from 'teh oppressive templaaars', after I saved her from her epic failure and still offered an alliance, she had the audacity to tell me, that if given a choice, she'd do it all again. Yeah, maybe I do hate her a bit.
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