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[Roamingmachine]

Trying to find some potted plants in Fallout 4 is the current agenda.  Should also try to get a pic of Jennifer Nolan (My Sole Survivor).  She's built a sort of barracks in Sanctuary Hills, It's ugly oas all getout, but maybe some potted plants will help it.  (Def: 36, Water:3, power:6)

 

....You know, the ugliness of the Fallout world actually bugs the hell out of me.  It's been 200 years and youre still building shacks from corrugated sheet metal and can't nail two planks together straight? Seriously?  Every post-apocalyptic game makes the same mistake thinking that just because civilization crumbles people suddenly regress back to apes as far as crafting goes <.<

[Dieb]

Bollocks.

 

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

That video changed....

Edit: Watching the news at lunch and I now understand.

[LightningPoodle]

....You know, the ugliness of the Fallout world actually bugs the hell out of me.  It's been 200 years and youre still building shacks from corrugated sheet metal and can't nail two planks together straight? Seriously?  Every post-apocalyptic game makes the same mistake thinking that just because civilization crumbles people suddenly regress back to apes as far as crafting goes <.<

 

It's not like they can start producing new materials to build new buildings though. Post nuclear war. Won't bring the people back to the stone age, but it will stop them from building something more advanced from scratch.

[Roamingmachine]

It's not like they can start producing new materials to build new buildings though. Post nuclear war. Won't bring the people back to the stone age, but it will stop them from building something more advanced from scratch.

 

People have been using stone from older buildings to build new ones since we started building. That's why the coliseum looks like it does, for example. And there's plenty of regular old rock to cut and use as material too. Wood grows abudantly, at least in the Boston area. There are plenty of plants that look like rope material. Animal hides and bones make for great building material too. But thats not the point i was trying to make. The point is that it seems that in every post apocalypse game human creativity and ability learn somehow goes up in smoke and as a result everything looks half-arsed. Sloppily built without any planning or any ounce of skill.

The only exception to this rule seems to be, from what little we've been shown, Horizon: Zero Dawn.

[Dieb]

Yes, but it's a different kind of evolution you would experience here.

 

There is little aspiration left in anyone, most people lazily focus on looting and retrival, rather than building and re-progressing. De-evolution is a nasty thing, primarily because I can see how it would mess with people's heads. The Romans never saw anything built studier than they could, they had to come up with something, they were motivated by the unknown. I wanna say there is a considerable factor of bitterness, uniquely different than anything people may have felt throughout "regular" history; that is overshadowing a potential progress of "just" picking up where you have rocketed yourself back to, and progress up the ladder again.

 

The wastelanders stick to either looking for a quick way back by salvaging, or don't care for it at all. I think if this happened to us in reality, the "knowledge of knowledge" would essentially hold us back more or less for the same reasons. Starting from square one would mean abandoning the notion of some piece of old world utopia being still out there to be found, and people value hope over methodical labour.

[Serza]

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This is my newest elven Inquisitor. I absolutely adore how you can make the Elves look in this game!

 

Well, holy ****.

 

She looks great! I also like how elves look in this game which is why I keep making them.

 

...which is why I keep liking them.

[Roamingmachine]

Yes, but it's a different kind of evolution you would experience here.

 

There is little aspiration left in anyone, most people lazily focus on looting and retrival, rather than building and re-progressing. De-evolution is a nasty thing, primarily because I can see how it would mess with people's heads. The Romans never saw anything built studier than they could, they had to come up with something, they were motivated by the unknown. I wanna say there is a considerable factor of bitterness, uniquely different than anything people may have felt throughout "regular" history; that is overshadowing a potential progress of "jusT" picking up where you have rocketed yourself back to, and progress up the ladder again.

 

The wastelanders stick to either looking for a quick way back by salvaging, or don't care for it at all. I think if this happened to us in reality, the "knowledge of knowledge" would essentially hold us back more or less for the same reasons. Starting from square one would mean abandoning the notion of some piece of old world utopia being still out there to be found, and people value hope over methodical labour.

Civilizations have risen only to be completely destroyed time and again throughout history only to rise again. It's just how we are. When our house gets burned down we might have a period of grief but we WILL build a new one. Unless we are dead

 

I'd buy that if we were dealing with the generation that survived the war and the generation that followed that but 200 years after the fact? Salvaging and looting should be done at that point. Knowledge of what things were like before would be little more than campfire stories. Wastelanders should have, through sheer trial and error if nothing else, learned quite a bit about construction and crafting in general.

Of course this is me trying to impose real-world on a fictional one that can do the fine, precision work required in any kind of a firearm (and have the rather sophisticated machinery to do it) but can't build anything that doesn't look like a hobo shack

[straykat]

I like how female elves look. I don't like how males are built like me at my 12 yr old stage.. with a horse face to boot. And sometimes it's hard to escape little signs of DA2's fish face as well.

 

There is a more squarish skull that's slightly better, but then I end up looking like something out of Leave It To Beaver. It's very boyish. Not really what I had in mind when I first got stoked about "Dragon Age Inquisition".

[Roamingmachine]

I like how female elves look. I don't like how males are built like me at my 12 yr old stage.. with a horse face to boot. And sometimes it's hard to escape little signs of DA2's fish face as well.

 

There is a more squarish skull that's slightly better, but then I end up looking like something out of Leave It To Beaver. It's very boyish. Not really what I had in mind when I first got stoked about "Dragon Age Inquisition".

....The DA2 elves were the best look the elves have had in the whole DA franchise. Actually looking like species that is in no way related to humanity.

Heck, i made Enna as close to them as i could

[straykat]

....The DA2 elves were the best look the elves have had in the whole DA franchise. Actually looking like species that is in no way related to humanity.

Heck, i made Enna as close to them as i could

 

That's the boyish look I'm talking about

 

I just can't do it. I'm too much of an old fart, I guess.

 

I'll give you that DA2 elves were unique. But each one didn't get proper treatment. Only when they focused on a character did it look good (Merrill, Fenris, Marethari). And some of the bodies made them look extra funny. Like some of the males had a fat ass. Like that guy who sold poisons.

[LightningPoodle]

Civilizations have risen only to be completely destroyed time and again throughout history only to rise again. It's just how we are. When our house gets burned down we might have a period of grief but we WILL build a new one. Unless we are dead

 

I'd buy that if we were dealing with the generation that survived the war and the generation that followed that but 200 years after the fact? Salvaging and looting should be done at that point. Knowledge of what things were like before would be little more than campfire stories. Wastelanders should have, through sheer trial and error if nothing else, learned quite a bit about construction and crafting in general.

Of course this is me trying to impose real-world on a fictional one that can do the fine, precision work required in any kind of a firearm (and have the rather sophisticated machinery to do it) but can't build anything that doesn't look like a hobo shack

 

A lot of your point of view is missing much of the context of what is in the world in these games. In Fallout 4, the human race is no longer the apex predator it once was. Deathclaws, Mirelurks, even Bloatflys are considerable dangers to the average human being. Not only the creatures that now plague the earth but other human beings. Raiders for example thrive on killing and stealing, and ruining the lives of those who are trying to make something in the world. As well as potential dangers from monsters or other people, the world still struggles to grow edible food and produce drinkable water. It's not like history when one civilisation destroys another and builds on top of it. The entire world has crumbled. Everything is irradiated. 200 years has allowed the world to rid a lot of that irradiation, but it's still there and it's still capable of killing you. Most people would look to survive the night, rather than look to rebuilding what was lost, in a world that constantly wants to kill them.

[Roamingmachine]

That's the boyish look I'm talking about

 

I just can't do it. I'm too much of an old fart, I guess.

 

I'll give you that DA2 elves were unique. But each one didn't get proper treatment. Only when they focused on a character did it look good (Merrill, Fenris, Marethari).

....I'll have you know that Enna is not only a lady but a mother and a grandmother

 

But yeah, i call this look the "magic of no makeup plz"

[straykat]

....I'll have you know that Enna is not only a lady but a mother and a grandmother

 

But yeah, i call this look the "magic of no makeup plz"

 

Haha.. Well, that's better then

[Roamingmachine]

A lot of your point of view is missing much of the context of what is in the world in these games. In Fallout 4, the human race is no longer the apex predator it once was. Deathclaws, Mirelurks, even Bloatflys are considerable dangers to the average human being. Not only the creatures that now plague the earth but other human beings. Raiders for example thrive on killing and stealing, and ruining the lives of those who are trying to make something in the world. As well as potential dangers from monsters or other people, the world still struggles to grow edible food and produce drinkable water. It's not like history when one civilisation destroys another and builds on top of it. The entire world has crumbled. Everything is irradiated. 200 years has allowed the world to rid a lot of that irradiation, but it's still there and it's still capable of killing you. Most people would look to survive the night, rather than look to rebuilding what was lost, in a world that constantly wants to kill them.

 

You just described how life was in europe after the fall of the Roman empire. Heck, it was like that for most people during the empire. Double heck, it has been like that for the vast majority of humanity for most of our history Just add much crappier medical technology. Humanitys rise to the top is a very, very recent thing in our history that has happened in the last few hundred years.

[straykat]

You just described how life was in europe after the fall of the Roman empire. Heck, it was like that for most people during the empire. Double heck, it has been like that for the vast majority of humanity for most of our history Just add much crappier medical technology. Humanitys rise to the top is a very, very recent thing in our history that has happened in the last few hundred years.

 

Humanity was on top even then.. they just killed each other more in the dark ages. Or rather, there was a big void in political power. So more like, armies and their conscripts killed each other. Rome and Christianity still held things together somewhat. I doubt Fallout has the same luxury.. or at least, I can't tell. The only churches I've seen are ruins overtaken by mutants

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

Too many wallz of textz on diz pagez.

[Serza]

I find these Fallout convos a bit more interesting now. I mean, I walked out of 101 and saw the Capital Wasteland, and let me tell ya, I just looked for a few minutes.

[Dieb]

....I'll have you know that Enna is not only a lady but a mother and a grandmother

 

But yeah, i call this look the "magic of no makeup plz"

 

I actually tried making my "DAO Warden undercover" Elf Warrior Inquisitor look like a middle aged elf woman, DA2-style. The facial structure with big eyes, the whide, straight down-wards nose bridge and almost perfectly perpenducular, really pointy ears - but also trying to adapt to the generally more realistic style of DAI.

 

 

I agree that I liked their uniqueness a lot better than "slender pretty humans with elf ears".

 

edit: Also, well-defined facial bone structure is pretty hot.

[LightningPoodle]

You just described how life was in europe after the fall of the Roman empire. Heck, it was like that for most people during the empire. Double heck, it has been like that for the vast majority of humanity for most of our history Just add much crappier medical technology. Humanitys rise to the top is a very, very recent thing in our history that has happened in the last few hundred years.

 

Humanity was still at the top of the food chain. They still owned the world. It was theirs to do with as they would. All this despite people fighting and killing each other. And no, we've been at the top since we learnt how to make fire and throw a spear.

 

In Fallout 4, and other universes like it, humanity is no longer at the top of the food chain. They don't own the world anymore and they can't do as they will with it.

[Roamingmachine]

Humanity was on top even then.. they just killed each other more in the dark ages. Or rather, there was a big void in political power. So more like, armies and their conscripts killed each other. Rome and Christianity still held things together somewhat. I doubt Fallout has the same luxury.. or at least, I can't tell. The only churches I've seen are ruins overtaken by mutants

 

Not really. The large predators of the forests were more than a match for any individual hunter and the pack predators could, when hungry, wipe out smaller settlements. We were on par with other predators back then but not better and this, to my mind, did not change untill the invention of the firearm.

As for the dark ages, Rome lost all its relevance really after its first sacking and christianity didn't spread very far from its borders for a couple of hundred years after that. Europe basically devolved back to warring tribes that were thrown even more in to chaos with the invasion of the Huns and the epic migration from the east it caused.

And yet "dark ages" really doesn't do the period justice because throughout it people still created art, quality items, reinvented things that were lost with rome and most certainly didn't live in hobo shacks. Something that that technologically much more advanced (even after the war) wastelanders consistently fail to do.

[Roamingmachine]

I actually tried making my "DAO Warden undercover" Elf Warrior Inquisitor look like a middle aged elf woman, DA2-style. The facial structure with big eyes, the whide, straight down-wards nose bridge and almost perfectly perpenducular, really pointy ears - but also trying to adapt to the generally more realistic style of DAI.

 

*snip*

 

I agree that I liked their uniqueness a lot better than "slender pretty humans with elf ears".

 

edit: Also, well-defined facial bone structure is pretty hot.

 

I found trying to create visuals of age to be the tricky part. Enna is 44, but also an elf, not an easy combination. I think i managed it but the signs of age are really subtle and only really stand out in certain light:

[straykat]

Not really. The large predators of the forests were more than a match for any individual hunter and the pack predators could, when hungry, wipe out smaller settlements. We were on par with other predators back then but not better and this, to my mind, did not change untill the invention of the firearm.

As for the dark ages, Rome lost all its relevance really after its first sacking and christianity didn't spread very far from its borders for a couple of hundred years after that. Europe basically devolved back to warring tribes that were thrown even more in to chaos with the invasion of the Huns and the epic migration from the east it caused.

And yet "dark ages" really doesn't do the period justice because throughout it people still created art, quality items, reinvented things that were lost with rome and most certainly didn't live in hobo shacks. Something that that technologically much more advanced (even after the war) wastelanders consistently fail to do.

 

I don't think just measuring predator status is the way to do it though. Civilization didn't rise until agriculture. That, in turn, gave rise to all kinds of things (arts, quality items, as you pointed out above). The ability to just sit and think more often is what made us superior. lol. No matter how many improvements in hunting there were over millennia.

 

But yeah, the wasteland sucks.

[Warden Majere]

https://imageshack.com/i/p8TkkYKsp

Some fine tuning with the makeup and bone structure. Oh, and a new haircut!

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[Lebanese Dude]

Civilization didn't rise until agriculture.

 

The very first gift from the Levant to an undeserving world.

 

Mediterranean master race.