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Why does every one hate Cole? Minor spoilers


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The party members I mean Cassandra and Vivienne both call Cole a demon with Vivienne repeatedly telling the Inquisitor to leash his/her "pet" demon along with telling the Inquisitor to get rid of Cole and his hat.

 

All Cole does is help people feel a bit better in the dire end of the world scenario and reads others like a book usually catching them off guard like with the Cassandra being better than Lambert conversation.

 

Cole's pretty cool in battle too he kills the enemy Archers and rogues for my turn the boltless two hander without dying at all (set Skirmisher, Stealth, Evade, Knockout powder, to preferred in tactics and use knife in the shadows passive with bees...).

 

Cole's reading of Blackwall disturbs me too even though jerkwall (yeah yeah Blackwall's a great tank and Sera liker...) just said that Cole was insane and dangerous just like Cullen said even though Cole helped.

 

Is their some deep dark spoiler secret about Cole? 



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Its because to the rest of the companions(except Solas) Cole is a demon and you know the rampaging demons attacking the world doesn't help but further banter and all of the companions begin to like Cole (with Vivienne and Sera in their own way).

 

Also people don't like getting reminded of past failures or embarrassing moments hence why some are disturbed by Cole.



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Some are afraid of Cole based upon what he might become, including Cole himself. Others may be resentful of Cole as he is able to look under the masks and façade of others.

Personally, he is my fave DAI character, though I have yet to take him along much yet.

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The companions that dislike Cole drink Andraste's bathwater; it's to be expected.


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They're jealous of Cole's epic hat


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I love cole...but he's a mindreading spirit. In real life I'd be very uncomfortable with that.

 

Since it's a game though I'm pretty pissed he doesn't do it to my PC. The RP potential. THE RP POTENTIAL THAT WAS SQUANDERED.

 

Plus he allows us to see the sides of our companions that they often try to hide.


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Cole killed a lot of people before he realized what he was doing was wrong. To people like Vivienne, Cole is a dangerous entity. She's not wrong. But she does come around to worrying about him if you listen to all of the companion dialogue. 


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Pet demon just makes the friendship sound even more badass TBH.



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I don't think you've listened to enough banter. Even Cassandra grows to like and accept him - I had them together a lot in my second playthrough. And Blackwall actually does get along with him (Blackwall: You know, Cole, you're not so bad, but I'll never get used to the things that come out of your mouth).

 

The only two companions who really might not like Cole that much are Vivienne and Sera - but even they show signs of acceptance (or at least acknowledgment of him as a person) now and then. I don't remember the exact dialogue, but someone in a thread about Vivienne (not the main thread) cited some lines that showed that Vivienne kind of secretly cared about Cole, or was concerned for him at minimum.



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Cole and Solas are BFFs

 

Varric also likes him a lot.

 

Vivienne and to a lesser extent Cassandra are hampered by Chantry programming. Cass gets over it. Vivienne just has to get in her bitchy quota every day to feel important. I kind of relate.


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Is their some deep dark spoiler secret about Cole?


Yes, he first appears in the book Asunder, where he was a much darker character before he found out what he really was. He didn't know he was a spirit, and his desire to help others was twisted into a compulsion to kill people who were in pain, in order to be seen and to feel more real, but he didn't understand why.

I'm not sure why the other companions would know about that past though. But I'm thinking they are just being wary of him because of what he is, and also they are influenced by what the Chantry teaches about spirits/demons.

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I love cole...but he's a mindreading spirit. In real life I'd be very uncomfortable with that.

 

Since it's a game though I'm pretty pissed he doesn't do it to my PC. The RP potential. THE RP POTENTIAL THAT WAS SQUANDERED.

 

Plus he allows us to see the sides of our companions that they often try to hide.

Doesn't he tell you that the Anchor is preventing him from reading us?

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Doesn't he tell you that the Anchor is preventing him from reading us?

Spoiler

 

Lame excuse is lame.

 

That and he give some generic "heavy load" quote.

 

:crying:



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You really have to look at the back grounds of the individual characters and what they are going through in the games to determine why, and no its not because they are all Chantry apologists...which is hardly the case.  For Cassandra she is a Seeker of Truth and how can one seek truth with a spirit that can make you forget them and then dissapear?  Sera does not like magic of any kind, Viv is probably afraid of possession, the Iron Bull has enough personal demons to open up a personal demon shop.  And considering Cole's backstory we do have plenty of reasons to be leary of the kid.  


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-Cass is pure Andrastian so that is expected reaction of her.

-Sera is just big child,not bad person just immature so she many times like a child once she gets her own theory of something she simply refuses to even listen to another.As I said way to much like little kid.

-As for Vivienne

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So I think you can see why Vivienne hates him as she does.



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Doesn't he tell you that the Anchor is preventing him from reading us?

 

No, it's just making it harder because it makes us so "bright". He does give us his impression of us in the same conversation, after all. Plus, he felt our predicament with Envy and came to help with that. And he can read Solas, who is also "bright" as well as quiet inside.

 

Him not turning his perceptiveness on the Inquisitor comes, as always, down to the fact that Bioware is crap about making protagonist/companion relationships mutually supportive. Companions form beautiful two-way bonds, caring for each other and inquiring after each other's well-being, but the protagonist gets left out of that and is only there to give one-way support. I get it, it's hard to account for different personalities, but they could at least try to have companions -- especially someone like Cole -- show some caring in return after major events.


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No, it's just making it harder because it makes us so "bright". He does give us his impression of us in the same conversation, after all. Plus, he felt our predicament with Envy and came to help with that. And he can read Solas, who is also "bright" as well as quiet inside.

 

Him not turning his perceptiveness on the Inquisitor comes, as always, down to the fact that Bioware is crap about making protagonist/companion relationships mutually supportive. Companions form beautiful two-way bonds, caring for each other and inquiring after each other's well-being, but the protagonist gets left out of that and is only there to give one-way support. I get it, it's hard to account for different personalities, but they could at least try to have companions -- especially someone like Cole -- show some caring in return after major events.

 

I am out of likes but yeah this. So tired of it too.


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Cole is mindrape personified. If you've seen that entry on his character spot on the tv tropes page, I'm the guy who put it there.

 

Cole reaches into your mind, pulls out your most private and painful memories, and lays them bare for all to see in his bumbling attempts to help, even when asked to stop. 

 

On top of that, he can make you forget he ever existed. He can alter and deny your perception of reality.

 

His intentions are noble, I'm not denying that, but his methods are horrifically invasive and he has no concept of consent. 

 

So, yea, I can think of a few reasons why someone might take exception to him.


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Him not turning his perceptiveness on the Inquisitor comes, as always, down to the fact that Bioware is crap about making protagonist/companion relationships mutually supportive. Companions form beautiful two-way bonds, caring for each other and inquiring after each other's well-being, but the protagonist gets left out of that and is only there to give one-way support. I get it, it's hard to account for different personalities, but they could at least try to have companions -- especially someone like Cole -- show some caring in return after major events.

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Lame excuse is lame.

 

That and he give some generic "heavy load" quote.

 

:crying:

If you ask Cole what he sees when looking at you, he does give some information based on your race, in his typically weird way.

 

For example my qunari he saw 'Old blood, deeper, passion pounding pulsing, unchecked.  Raw rage, but only an option"



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Cole is mindrape personified. If you've seen that entry on his character spot on the tv tropes page, I'm the guy who put it there.

 

Cole reaches into your mind, pulls out your most private and painful memories, and lays them bare for all to see in his bumbling attempts to help, even when asked to stop. 

 

On top of that, he can make you forget he ever existed. He can alter and deny your perception of reality.

 

His intentions are noble, I'm not denying that, but his methods are horrifically invasive and he has no concept of consent. 

 

So, yea, I can think of a few reasons why someone might take exception to him.

 

I don't see it? Edit: wait I see it now. XD it's sad but true.

 

WHY YOU NO MINDRAPE QUIZZY COLE?!? I WOULD'VE BEEN WILLING!

 

 

If you ask Cole what he sees when looking at you, he does give some information based on your race, in his typically weird way.

 

For example my qunari he saw 'Old blood, deeper, passion pounding pulsing, unchecked.  Raw rage, but only an option"

 

Goddamnit. I usually play humans.



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Cole is mindrape personified. If you've seen that entry on his character spot on the tv tropes page, I'm the guy who put it there.

 

Cole reaches into your mind, pulls out your most private and painful memories, and lays them bare for all to see in his bumbling attempts to help, even when asked to stop. 

 

On top of that, he can make you forget he ever existed. He can alter and deny your perception of reality.

 

His intentions are noble, I'm not denying that, but his methods are horrifically invasive and he has no concept of consent. 

 

So, yea, I can think of a few reasons why someone might take exception to him.

This is why Cole is, in many ways, like a child.  He's got all these weird powers and a desire to help, but he doesn't understand rules or boundaries.  He is still learning "right" from "wrong"



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They feel uncomfortable around Cole because that's instinct whenever you encounter something that is unknown to you. Cole is truly unique, nobody knows what to expect of him except maybe Solas. Because of this natural tendency to fear the unknown, the other companions don't feel comfortable around him until they get to know him and see that he isn't a monster or freak, but a kindred spirit trying to find it's identity again. After you decide if he becomes more human or spirit like, his personality solidifies and then I feel that's when the companions get more comfortable with him. 


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Goddamnit. I usually play humans.

Sadly, I don't recall what he says to humans.



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This is why Cole is, in many ways, like a child.  He's got all these weird powers and a desire to help, but he doesn't understand rules or boundaries.  He is still learning "right" from "wrong"

 

Yep. Oh well I guess I'll write a fic with a quizzy that let's Cole rummage in private to practice healing the hurt. Partly out of curiosity and desperation. (She'll be all "the pain never goes away." to human Cole).

 

Sadly, I don't recall what he says to humans.

 

Yeah me either. I just recall the bright comment and him mentioning how many lives were on your shoulders.