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[justinman114]

Of course not, you were cheering for the Pats, right? But it certainly was one of, if not the, single stupidest, Herp D Derp moment, playcalls in Super Bowl history- you have perhaps the most physical, punishing short-yardage RB in the league (who's having a great game I might add), a great run-blocking OL, and you're on the half-yard line needing a TD to win the Super Bowl. NOT giving it to that RB for the gimme half-yard is unforgivable stupidity, and a loss-sealing INT is exactly what they deserved for trying to outsmart everyone (including themselves). 

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have thrown on 2nd down, but they would have had to if the run didn't work with only the 1 timeout left.  Who knows what would have happened?  I wouldn't have even given it to Lynch, I would QB sneak ALL DAY from the half yard line.  Still, I don't think it was as bad a call as everyone is saying, just wasn't the best call to make there.  Hell, it wasn't even a bad throw.  Like I said, Butler made a hell of a play.  I'd also like to say that though I'm a Pats fan, I consider myself very able to be unbiased.  You have to give credit to the defense for taking what's given.

[ajscott819]

Wilson was indoctrinated!

[q5tyhj]

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have thrown on 2nd down, but they would have had to if the run didn't work with only the 1 timeout left.  Who knows what would have happened?  I wouldn't have even given it to Lynch, I would QB sneak ALL DAY from the half yard line.  Still, I don't think it was as bad a call as everyone is saying, just wasn't the best call to make there.  Hell, it wasn't even a bad throw.  Like I said, Butler made a hell of a play.  I'd also like to say that though I'm a Pats fan, I consider myself very able to be unbiased.  You have to give credit to the defense for taking what's given.

They would have been perfectly able to run twice or more, if I remember correctly. But that play was as obvious a running down as you will ever see, particularly when you consider the circumstances. There's just no justification for throwing it- even if you have the best matchup in the world, the success rate is still going to be lower than a half-yard run, and the risk/reward is SO much worse (since, even if its the most picture perfectly executed play, at most you stand to gain half a yard and the touchdown no matter what). Now, obviously once they made the terrible playcall, the Pats player had to make the play on the ball and complete the pick, so its not like acknowledging that it was a really bad strategic call is to take away anything from the Pats player. But it was about as awful a playcall as you'll find, and at the worst possible time.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have thrown on 2nd down, but they would have had to if the run didn't work with only the 1 timeout left.  Who knows what would have happened?  I wouldn't have even given it to Lynch, I would QB sneak ALL DAY from the half yard line.  Still, I don't think it was as bad a call as everyone is saying, just wasn't the best call to make there.  Hell, it wasn't even a bad throw.  Like I said, Butler made a hell of a play.  I'd also like to say that though I'm a Pats fan, I consider myself very able to be unbiased.  You have to give credit to the defense for taking what's given.

You want to QB sneak all day with a small quarterback and Vince Wilfork at NT? It's a better call than throwing a slant into traffic at the goal line, but it's not the best run in the playbook. A play-action rollout would have been a good call for the second down. Odds are good that everyone commits to the run and a TE can slip into the corner uncovered or that Wilson escapes to the outside (as he'd already done) and jogs to the corner. Worst case scenario is that Wilson has to throw it away, which stops the clock and leaves the ball inside the one-yard line. It's a fast, easy read, and you're using it against a team that has to sell out to stop a one-yard gain from Marshawn Lynch.

And it was a bad throw, by the way. Any throw that gives a defensive player as good an approach to the ball as an intended receiver is a bad throw. But the play also gave Wilson very little to work with and required a perfect read and throw (from a 5'10" quarterback, mind you). The play demanded perfection from Wilson and left him nowhere to go if his first read was shut down. That's a play you run from outside the five, and you put the ball in the receiver's hands around the one, since the secondary has to play the goal line.

It was a wretched call. It would have been a wretched call even if it had worked.

[TheShadyEngineer]

I know absolutely zero about football and have no strong feelings one way or the other... but I was kinda hoping the Pats would win just to enjoy the collective rustling of jimmies of football fans in general and some of my die hard hardcore fan friends in particular. So far it's been going according to plan. 

[path0geN7]

And it was a bad throw, by the way. Any throw that gives a defensive player as good an approach to the ball as an intended receiver is a bad throw. But the play also gave Wilson very little to work with and required a perfect read and throw (from a 5'10" quarterback, mind you). The play demanded perfection from Wilson and left him nowhere to go if his first read was shut down. That's a play you run from outside the five, and you put the ball in the receiver's hands around the one, since the secondary has to play the goal line.

 

Not enough blame is going to Wilson for the poor throw. Lockette was open for a second and Wilson could have thrown it slightly behind him, a place where only his receiver could have caught it.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Not enough blame is going to Wilson for the poor throw. Lockette was open for a second and Wilson could have thrown it slightly behind him, a place where only his receiver could have caught it.

You don't throw behind the receiver on a slant or crossing route. Watch the play again: The ball was in Wilson's hands for no more than a second. It's a pure timing route. You throw that kind of pass to a spot, not the man. It's the receiver's job to get to that spot, but there's nothing to prevent a DB from getting to the spot first.

My point is that Wilson was put in a terrible position by the play call. Even if Wilson's psychic powers would have kicked in and he could have held up on the throw, there weren't really secondary options. But there were a lot of Patriots close to the ball and collapsing the pocket. The Seahawks were inviting an interception or a sack unnecessarily with that call, and the Patriots accepted.

[DeckardWasAReplicant]

Wilson shoulda shook his head at the play call and audible to a run

[Mindlog]

Agreed on the throw.

It may not have been the best throw, but If Wilson had thrown to the back shoulder we can bet Lockette would have been blown up. There's just very little that could have gone right there.
 

It can probably all be sourced to Bevell.

 

Play action isn't a bad idea, but I wouldn't frown on running it. Brady may not have the same deep ball he used to, but no point giving him anything extra to work with. Still had a little room to burn clock iirc.

[SirDieAL0t]

no one ????? 

 

[q5tyhj]

 Still had a little room to burn clock iirc.

They did. They didn't really have any conceivable reason to throw the ball there. They aren't a weak running team. They're not a particularly strong passing team (good, not great). NE isn't a scary run defense, and Seattle had been having great success running the ball since around the 2nd quarter. Oh, and you're on the half-yard line. Now, if it had been 4th and half a yard from, say, the 50 yard line, throwing it would at least have made a little more sense, since then they at least stand to gain something by throwing it (i.e. completing a downfield pass for big yardage, maybe a touchdown) to offset the risk of interception, but when you're right on the goal line you stand to gain NOTHING by throwing it as opposed to running it, and stand to lose... well, we saw what they stood to lose, the ability to hoist the Lombardi trophy.

 

Unjustifiable, moronic playcall- and while obviously they play 60 minutes,  that one play is the reason they are not celebrating a 2nd championship in a very real and substantive sense since if they just called Lynch's number a couple times its all but certain they would have scored (and left virtually no time on the clock for Brady).

[Clips7]

They did. They didn't really have any conceivable reason to throw the ball there. They aren't a weak running team. They're not a particularly strong passing team (good, not great). NE isn't a scary run defense, and Seattle had been having great success running the ball since around the 2nd quarter. Oh, and you're on the half-yard line. Now, if it had been 4th and half a yard from, say, the 50 yard line, throwing it would at least have made a little more sense, since then they at least stand to gain something by throwing it (i.e. completing a downfield pass for big yardage, maybe a touchdown) to offset the risk of interception, but when you're right on the goal line you stand to gain NOTHING by throwing it as opposed to running it, and stand to lose... well, we saw what they stood to lose, the ability to hoist the Lombardi trophy.

 

Unjustifiable, moronic playcall- and while obviously they play 60 minutes,  that one play is the reason they are not celebrating a 2nd championship in a very real and substantive sense since if they just called Lynch's number a couple times its all but certain they would have scored (and left virtually no time on the clock for Brady).

 

 

 

 

 

Co-Sign!...I could not have said it better myself...completely agree.

[Alfonsedode]

OK folks, permit me if you will, to enlighten those of you who do not grasp the nature of this great game.  It's attraction is that it is both elegant and brutal--the consummate test of finesse and physicality.  The Super Bowl is like the World Cup--only every year!  Here in the US, it's a highly anticipated and celebrated holiday.  Oh, and it's not spelled "football"....it's spelled "FOOTBALL !!!"

Just watched the second half (and avoided spoliers), it was an incredible show indeed !!! I m bound to downoload some old superbowl now , it will be nice to watch them when not sleeping cause of the baby. Any years recommended ? (without spoilers !) I tink I have watched the last 3, but i m not sure.

 

 

On the last play... Well, it was a genious call to go for TD pass at 6" left in the first half. It s the worst call to mix it up bit and go for a pass  on the 2nd down?!? Everybody was a expecting a Lynch or Wilson run... Going fo a short pass was ballsy and fun.

[Mindlog]

Meh, none of it made any sense.

"Malcolm and Brandon [Browner], on that particular play, just made a great play. I think the criticism they've gotten for the game is totally out of line and by a lot of people who I don't think are anywhere near even qualified to be commenting on it."

Belichick is defending Bevell and Carroll.

On here we also glossed over Bill's decision to eat those timeouts at the end of the game.

[q5tyhj]

 

Belichick is defending Bevell and Carroll.

I laughed when I saw that- talk about disingenuous; he knows how bad the playcall was, he just feels like people harping on the playcall are implying that the Seahawks "beat themselves" (newsflash: they sort of did) and minimizing what the Patriots did.

 

Of course, its not an either/or- it was as stupid a playcall as you'll ever see, but even being a stupid playcall, it wasn't a given the Pats would stop them (much less get a really nice interception). I mean, how many short-yardage slant/drag/short in routes do you see completed on a weekly basis in the NFL? Alot. So the Patriots defense obviously did a great job stopping them there- they did their part to win. But the Seahawks also made it really easy for them since if they had decided to do the sensical thing and just pound the ball in from the half yard-line there wouldn't have been anything the Patriots could have done to stop them. (Which is why the play was so unnecessary and retarded)