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[Pasquale1234]

Besides that, he wouldn't be allowed to have a beard

The Navy seems to go back and forth a lot wrt beards. They were allowed during the term of my service.

[themikefest]

The Navy seems to go back and forth a lot wrt beards. They were allowed during the term of my service.

Was that in the US Navy?

 

I know when I was in the US Army, facial hair was a no go except a neatly trimmed moustache. I had to shave twice a day. Very annoying. 

[Pasquale1234]

Was that in the US Navy?
 
I know when I was in the US Army, facial hair was a no go except a neatly trimmed moustache. I had to shave twice a day. Very annoying.

Yep. The Navy was always a bit different from other service branches.

From http://en.wikipedia....in_the_military

 

"On November 10, 1970, Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) Elmo Zumwalt explicitly authorized beards for active duty Naval personnel, in his Z-gram number 57,"

 

"The Navy ban on beards on Naval installations and operational vessels, including its submarine fleet, was reinstated in 1984 by CNO James D. Watkins.^[19][21] However, this rule is generally ignored on board deployed submarines at the Captain's discretion."

 

Of course, I've no idea what the grooming standards are for non-US military organizations - but I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect that the standards for a Human Alliance formed in 2150 (?) may be very different than today's military standards.

[Valmar]

While I have no doubt that an alternate universe Alliance Miranda would probably have the same hair style, her not being part of a formal military kind of gives her a pass I think. As for Kai Leng, because ninja is the only thing I can think of.

 

Yes but the argument was that long hair wouldn't jive with a character that has a background history in the Alliance.

 

Granted, Miranda doesn't have such a background but she DOES work with the Alliance near the end. Kai Leng was Alliance and N7, so theres a background. Ashely most definitely was/is Alliance. We have characters already with Alliance backgrounds that have long hair. So I don't see why Shepard shouldn't on those principles alone.

 

Of course, I've no idea what the grooming standards are for non-US military organizations - but I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect that the standards for a Human Alliance formed in 2150 (?) may be very different than today's military standards.

 

My sentiments as well. The Alliance is a formulation of all Earth governments. Even assuming ALL earth militarizes have this strange hatred for hair it is still easy to give the writers liberty in this. This is over a hundred years in the future and a fictional military force compromised of many nations and regulations - plenty of leeway there to assume the rules are not as strict as they are today. Taking the approach that "well, current US military forbids it" is a fallacy in my eyes.

 

Frankly, given that we're the only ME species that has hair, you'd think they'd want to encourage keeping it to show off our diversity. Uh, not including the photoshopped quarians. Lol.

[KotorEffect3]

The only time I ever had a problem with hair is sometimes the import into ME 3 gets wonky and gives my Shepard a completely different hairstyle than he had in the first two games.  Sometimes I have to go into the CC to fix that.

[Sir DeLoria]

Aren't some Spec Ops unit members allowed to wear civilian hair styles and facial hair? Given Shep's rather unusual position in the Alliance military, slightly longer hair could've made sense.

[DirtySHISN0]

I'm one of the few people on the BSN who used Sheploo for the entire trilogy. 

I think its hard to make a good looking custom shepard. Every single one seems to have pockmarked skin texture, deep wrinkles around the mouth and tiny little chicken eyes.

[KotorEffect3]

I think femshep is even harder to make.  When done right she can look great but I have had some really off looking femsheps and I have had to restart the game and go into the cc again to get it right.  I should note that I create all of my shepards in ME 1 so I am referring to the ME 1 CC.

[DirtySHISN0]

I think femshep is even harder to make.  When done right she can look great but I have had some really off looking femsheps and I have had to restart the game and go into the cc again to get it right.  I should note that I create all of my shepards in ME 1 so I am referring to the ME 1 CC.

I was a big fan over the cover femshep, not the weird looking thing we got as ME3 default. I couldn't replicate it on my own. I found a nexus mod which was the closest i could get to box art femshep. 

[Vegeta 77]

I use sheploo im good.

[sjsharp2011]

I think femshep is even harder to make.  When done right she can look great but I have had some really off looking femsheps and I have had to restart the game and go into the cc again to get it right.  I should note that I create all of my shepards in ME 1 so I am referring to the ME 1 CC.

I personally find Male sheps harder I can normally get what I'd call attractive femsheps r3elatively easily but that's just me though.

[KotorEffect3]

I am curious in what way do you find male shep harder?  I usualy just give him a crew cut and maybe a five o'clock shadow.  With femshep I have a hard time balancing her facial features to make them look just right (mouth, nose , etc..).  Not to mention she looks really awkward in ME 1 with her neck if I forget to downsize it.  I guess I just have a lot of balancing issues when it comes to creating a femshep.

[Arppis]

No, I always went for bald, it looks good.

 

I just wish there would have been proper beards. Maybe in ME4!

[Larry-3]

What about Mass Effect 2? He left the Alliance and was basically a mercenary for Cerebus. Also, he is a spectre who can do whatever he wants. Ashley let her hair grow when she became a spectre.

[Han Shot First]

Aren't some Spec Ops unit members allowed to wear civilian hair styles and facial hair? Given Shep's rather unusual position in the Alliance military, slightly longer hair could've made sense.

 

 

In Afghanistan some of them wear beards because it's a cultural tradition for Afghanis and seen as a sign of manhood. Most of their men have beards. The theory goes that if they adopt some of the local traditions they'll get on better with the locals.

 

Shepard shouldn't be following different standards than the rest of the Alliance, because there is no equivalent in the lore to the current war in Afghanistan. 

[fhs33721]

Shepard shouldn't be following different standards than the rest of the Alliance, because there is no equivalent in the lore to the current war in Afghanistan. 

Are there even any established alliance standards for hair at all? Because nobody in the aliance seems to give a flying f*ck about how people cut their hair in universe.

[Massa FX]

I mod hairstyles, especially for ME3, changing as often as I want throughout the playthru. I edit and change eye color, hair color... whatever until I like the Shepard "look".

 

PC gaming works best for me. I think it's ridiculous that I purchased MEU games for two platforms (360 and PC). But <shrug> it's what I did. 

[Valmar]

In Afghanistan some of them wear beards because it's a cultural tradition for Afghanis and seen as a sign of manhood. Most of their men have beards. The theory goes that if they adopt some of the local traditions they'll get on better with the locals.

 

Shepard shouldn't be following different standards than the rest of the Alliance, because there is no equivalent in the lore to the current war in Afghanistan. 

 

So? The alliance are a united military formed by by all earth nations. Why must it adhere to customs of one particular military doctrine? This is set over a hundred years in the future in a time where FTL travel and aliens are everywhere. Why is it so crazy to think hair and beards would be permitted? Does every single military faction on earth in all the nations really follow such an anti-hair doctrine that they would never reconcile this in over a hundred years with a combined military force and space aliens?

 

Beyond that we have examples already in Mass Effect lore where Alliance members DO have long hair or DO have beards. So clearly the Alliance DON'T care about such things.  We've come a long way in a hundred years - people can wear their hair long. Shocking.

 

Coincidentally the guy leading the Alliance was called Amul Shastri. So that might be interesting context.

[themikefest]

I wouldn't want to have a beard in the military. I like to have my gas mask have a good seal around my face.

 

Long hair gets in the way unless its tied up in a bun or similiar with no lose strands in the face and not touching the collar. This would apply to a female..

[Valmar]

I wouldn't want to have a beard in the military. I like to have my gas mask have a good seal around my face.

 

Long hair gets in the way unless its tied up in a bun or similiar with no lose strands in the face and not touching the collar. This would apply to a female..

 

None of that seems to be much an issue in Mass Effect, though.

 

Spoiler

 

They can survive the vacuum of space with little cups.

 

Beyond that, Ashley and Traynor both had hair that touched the collar and Ashley definitely had some in her face. The point of all this wasn't which is "better" or less in the way. It was that the Alliance allow long hair, so the argument made earlier that Shepard shouldn't have long hair due to "Alliance Hair Regulation" is debunked.

[themikefest]

None of that seems to be much an issue in Mass Effect, though.

 

 

They can survive the vacuum of space with little cups.

 

Beyond that, Ashley and Traynor both had hair that touched the collar and Ashley definitely had some in her face. The point of all this wasn't which is "better" or less in the way. It was that the Alliance allow long hair, so the argument made earlier that Shepard shouldn't have long hair due to "Alliance Hair Regulation" is debunked.

Why are you showing an image of an asari?  I did mention I wouldn't want a beard when wearing a gas mask. And wearing a gas mask in a vacuum woukd not work

 

With Traynor and Ashley, I would have them with their hair up as well all other women who's hair is touching their collar if they're part of the Alliance

[Valmar]

Why are you showing an image of an asari?  I did mention I wouldn't want a beard when wearing a gas mask. And wearing a gas mask in a vacuum woukd not work

 

With Traynor and Ashley, I would have them with their hair up as well all other women who's hair is touching their collar if they're part of the Alliance

 

View the picture with the context of "They can survive the vacuum of space with little cups."

 

In we can accept something like a little cup over the mouth being enough to survive space then a beard certainly isn't going to be the tipping point. Mass Effect fields have your back, your beard can stay safe.

 

What you'd do with their hair isn't relevant. The entire point was that in the lore the Alliance don't care about it. What you'd do is an entirely different matter. If you want the Alliance to have a hair doctrine thats fine. That isn't the lore, however. The lore makes it clear they don't. Which was the entire premise of the argument.

[themikefest]

View the picture with the context of "They can survive the vacuum of space with little cups."

 

In we can accept something like a little cup over the mouth being enough to survive space then a beard certainly isn't going to be the tipping point. Mass Effect fields have your back, your beard can stay safe.

 

What you'd do with their hair isn't relevant. The entire point was that in the lore the Alliance don't care about it. What you'd do is an entirely different matter. If you want the Alliance to have a hair doctrine thats fine. That isn't the lore, however. The lore makes it clear they don't. Which was the entire premise of the argument.

Why are you bringing up vacuum when I'm talking about a gas mask? And again, I would not have a beard if I was to put on a gas mask

 

You keep bringing up[ lore. Is there somewhere stating the regulations of hair? Or are you just going by what the game shows?

[Valmar]

Why are you bringing up vacuum when I'm talking about a gas mask? And again, I would not have a beard if I was to put on a gas mask

 

You keep bringing up[ lore. Is there somewhere stating the regulations of hair? Or are you just going by what the game shows?

 

Seriously? I figured it would be obvious. You said that a beard could get in the way of making a complete seal with a gas mask. I was pointing out that in the Mass Effect series this shouldn't be an issue. If a little cup around the mouth can provide enough protection from the exposure of space then surely it can overcome the awesome power of grizzly Adams.

 

If you don't see what that would have to do with a gas mask specifically, I don't know what to tell you. Just how complex do you expect the gas mask to be that a mask capable of protecting you to the exposure to space cannot overcome? It stands to reason that if it can keep you safe from space it can probably keep you from choking on smoke. Is that really a stretch of  the imagination?

 

What the game shows shouldn't be taken as lore? Okay then. It was just reasonable deduction. Someone claims the Alliance would follow the discipline of certain military groups in today's real world and ban long hair. I say the fact that there are Alliance members  in the game who have long hair disproves this notion. If the Alliance had such policies then why would there be members of the Alliance that break that regulation? Especially someone as Alliance-devout as Ashley Williams who certainly does have hair past her collar.

 

Evidence does not fit the claim. Though if we're not allowed to use what we observe in the game visually as lore then I still don't know what to tell you. Maybe it isn't even lore that Liara is blue - maybe she's purple... Afterall, does it ever explicitly say she is blue? If we're not allowed to base the lore off of what we see then who knows what color she is.

 

What do you want if we cant use what we see in the game as lore?

 

42. There. Thats the answer. 42.

[themikefest]

Seriously? I figured it would be obvious. You said that a beard could get in the way of making a complete seal with a gas mask. I was pointing out that in the Mass Effect series this shouldn't be an issue. If a little cup around the mouth can provide enough protection from the exposure of space then surely it can overcome the awesome power of grizzly Adams.

All I posted was that I would never want to have a beard in the military so I can have a proper seal. That's all. And even if I were to be in the mass effect universe and a beard would not hamper having a good seal, I still would not grow a beard. Is there a problem with me not wanting to have a beard when wearing a gas mask?
  

What do you want if we cant use what we see in the game as lore?

Which lore would you use?

Example. During the battle over Earth, an Alliance ship fires two shots at a reaper blowing off two legs.

During the fight against Sovereign, x number of ships are firing at it and do no damage until the shields are disable and only does it take damage after the SR1, along with 2 fighters, fire at the reaper destroying it.

From the codex. In the case of a Reaper capital ship, these kinetic barriers can hold off the firepower of two dreadnoughts simultaneously, but three clearly causes strain, and four typically results in destruction.

That ship that destroyed the two legs with only two shots, would seem unlikely if the reaper is able to hold off firepower of two dreadnoughts at the same time.

So which of the three would you believe?  Two of them we see in game, ME1 and ME3, and the other is a codex entry
 

42. There. Thats the answer. 42.

Is there a meaning to the number 42?