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[Valmar]

All I posted was that I would never want to have a beard in the military so I can have a proper seal. That's all. And even if I were to be in the mass effect universe and a beard would not hamper having a good seal, I still would not grow a beard. Is there a problem with me not wanting to have a beard when wearing a gas mask?  

No, no problem. You just brought it up in the middle of a debate between other forum members about whether or not the Alliance allows it. Forgive me for therefore assuming, within the context, that was your argument in favor for then denying it. The information seemed rather irrelevant otherwise.

 

 

Which lore would you use?

Example. During the battle over Earth, an Alliance ship fires two shots at a reaper blowing off two legs.

During the fight against Sovereign, x number of ships are firing at it and do no damage until the shields are disable and only does it take damage after the SR1, along with 2 fighters, fire at the reaper destroying it.

From the codex. In the case of a Reaper capital ship, these kinetic barriers can hold off the firepower of two dreadnoughts simultaneously, but three clearly causes strain, and four typically results in destruction.

That ship that destroyed the two legs with only two shots, would seem unlikely if the reaper is able to hold off firepower of two dreadnoughts at the same time.

So which of the three would you believe?  Two of them we see in game, ME1 and ME3, and the other is a codex entry

 

If something we see in the game goes against the codex then I refer to the codex. Codex takes precedent for me. That doesn't mean that we can't view anything not specifically in the codex as lore, though. It just means the writing and story isn't perfect and has inconsistencies. Especially in the cutscenes where Rule of Cool is Law.

 

Nothing in the codex states the Alliance has regulations against haircuts. We see Alliance members with long hair. Therefore the lore is the Alliance has no regulation against hair. Otherwise what we see is a plothole. I say we go with what we know. We know that they have long hair. We know that they're alliance. Therefore, they are either plotholes or the Alliance in lore do not have regulations against hair.

 

If they kept Shepard from having long hair on the principle of "its regulation" then this would not fit with the examples where this is not true. It isn't a satisfying reason. Why is it when Shepard wants long hair there is a regulation but when the others have it suddenly its okay?

 

 

Is there a meaning to the number 42?

 

Just the answer to life, the universe and everything. 42.

[Larry-3]

Just out of curiosity, does their shields protect them from the vacuum of space? Also, in every mission that involves walking in space you are either in a ship or a station, would it not have its own atmospheric conditions? No air, but gravity and such...

[DirtySHISN0]

Just out of curiosity, does their shields protect them from the vacuum of space? Also, in every mission that involves walking in space you are either in a ship or a station, would it not have its own atmospheric conditions? No air, but gravity and such...

We must assume the shields do protect them, jack, liara and few others don't wear armor or full face masks in space/geth dreadnought/collector ship. 

[Fixers0]

We must assume the shields do protect them, jack, liara and few others don't wear armor or full face masks in space/geth dreadnought/collector ship. 

 

 

Which is totally ridiculous when you remind yourself that the codex bluntly states that Kinetic barriers' only fuction is to deflect small, rapid moving objects. 

[themikefest]

If something we see in the game goes against the codex then I refer to the codex. Codex takes precedent for me.

Doesn't that work both ways? Someone may take the game over what the codex says. Who would be right in a discussion? Would both parties wave the white flag and just agree to disagree?
 

Nothing in the codex states the Alliance has regulations against haircuts. We see Alliance members with long hair. Therefore the lore is the Alliance has no regulation against hair. Otherwise what we see is a plothole. I say we go with what we know. We know that they have long hair. We know that they're alliance. Therefore, they are either plotholes or the Alliance in lore do not have regulations against hair.

The only people that are seen with long hair are females in the Alliance. I don't recall seeing any male with long hair that serve in the Alliance
 

 

[fhs33721]

The only people that are seen with long hair are females in the Alliance. I don't recall seeing any male with long hair that serve in the Alliance

That's probably because all the random NPC's are most likely created with the same character creator as Shepard, therefore they don't have any long hairstyles becaue MaleShep doesn't get any either. The only male character with long hair is Kai Leng I think and that's probably because he has a special model.

[DirtySHISN0]

Which is totally ridiculous when you remind yourself that the codex bluntly states that Kinetic barriers' only fuction is to deflect small, rapid moving objects. 

Well there aren't many options, nobody was debating that it isn't ridiculous.

[Valmar]

Doesn't that work both ways? Someone may take the game over what the codex says. Who would be right in a discussion? Would both parties wave the white flag and just agree to disagree?
 

 

I'd be right, of course! In all seriousness though it would be a matter of debate. Neither side would be wrong. Whoever lays out the most convincing case would be the victor, I suppose. If thats what they're looking to achieve. In the lore of the codex, for example, the krogan are practically unstoppable killing machines. In cutscenes though they're weak little squishy things that can be taken out by a single tap. In the lore I assume a single shot to the head on an unarmored, unshielded enemy will kill them. In gameplay it can take a lot of hits depending on what gun you use.

 

The game has never bee perfect or consistant with these things. I would use all the evidence of "rule of cool" ignoring the codex as evidence to support why the codex is the most reliable lore, since the gameplay takes many liberties. You didn't ask what lore everyone should adhere to, though. You asked me what lore I support when the story contradicts the codex. I told you my opinion on it, that is all.

 

 

The only people that are seen with long hair are females in the Alliance. I don't recall seeing any male with long hair that serve in the Alliance

 

Yes but like you kept saying the real-world regulation of military A has regulations against hair being that long. Therefore, the regulation doesn't exist in the fictional military of the Alliance.Why males don't have long hair, I go with FHS on this one. That being said, Kai Lang was an N7 and he has long hair. Granted he is no longer Alliance its still something to work off of. Beyond that Shepard spends the second game as essentially a merc for Cerberus and is a Council spectre in at least two of the three games. So there's also that.

 

The entire argument on my side was to counter the claim that "long hair wouldn't jive with Shepard due to the Alliance". I consider that a flawed assertion due to the lore provided.