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[GreyWarden_Smith]

I don't know if there is a thread about this.

 

In a play-through where Alistair stayed a warden instead of becoming king he said that the Hero of Ferelden in that play-through was walking a "dark path" and questioned whether they would help inquisition or not. My question is what made him say this about the Hero of Ferelden?.

This Hero of Ferelden wasn't a "evil" Hero of Ferelden at all. Is this due to fact he did the dark ritual and romanced Morrigan and walked through the Eluvian with her at the end of Witch Hunt DLC?.

 

this is my only state where he isn't King or where he is still a warden but didn't romance the Hero of Ferelden in that play-through so I can't compare the answer in other play-throughs.

[thesuperdarkone2]

He says that if you did the Dark Ritual. If the Warden did the US, he is instead angry that the Warden completely overshadowed everything he did and nobody cares about anything he did. I think he's just jealous 

[Orian Tabris]

He says that if you did the Dark Ritual. If the Warden did the US, he is instead angry that the Warden completely overshadowed everything he did and nobody cares about anything he did. I think he's just jealous 

 

You can kind of understand his adversity. Alistair helped save Ferelden and Thedas, but others forget he even existed (perhaps due to his bastard lineage). Not everyone cares about recognition from their peers, and maybe the Warden was one of those people - entirely possible. For instance, my 3rd import Warden happily let Alistair take the credit if it meant he'd die... although, I suspect she will get all the praise.

 

Alistair did almost as much as the Warden did, though it was his choice to let somebody else lead. As with a lot of things that involve Alistair, he's being a bit of a whinge. Not that there's anything wrong with that; it makes him personable and believable. He does deserve recognition though, even if he should have expected to be unappreciated for taking a backseat.

[ThreeF]

Will he still think of it as "dark path" if  Warden romanced him?

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Glad I made him King, this would have thrown me right out of the experience. My Warden and Alistair were, like, total big sister and little brother. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Will he still think of it as "dark path" if  Warden romanced him?

 

Nope, it's all jolly good there and he can't wait to be reunited with her.

[Eyes_Only]

My hero of Ferelden also romanced Morrigan, performed the dark ritual with her. But then married Queen Anora before eventually vanishing through the mirror with Morrigan after the events at Vigil's Keep. Alistair said the same of him as well. "walks a dark path." I assume meaning due to his alliance with Morrigan and her "evil witch ways" or something. He seemed also rather bitter over the fact my HoF took the throne, a throne he did not want. I guess he grew bitter after my HoF vanished and Queen Anora had him banished from Ferelden... I think anyway because I don't recall banishing him when my HoF took the throne. in fact due to some strange bug at the end of DAO the queen said Alistair died in the battle and a statue was raised in honor of his memory and deeds. he then showed up however in DA2 not as a drunken outcast but as a warden in the middle of an important mission.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Glad I made him King, this would have thrown me right out of the experience. My Warden and Alistair were, like, total big sister and little brother. 

 

Eh. I thought that line was one of the things that was good about the Alistair cameo.

 

Anything that implies our former protagonist becoming something less heroic is good.

[o Ventus]

 

 

Anything that implies our former protagonist becoming something less heroic is good.

I would argue otherwise, but okay.

 

The "old hero becomes a villain" thing is for people who mistake needlessly dark for good writing, especially when you can play a Lawful Good boyscout Warden.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Even if it's completely out of character and untrue of their relationship. 

 

Yeah. Good. 

 

The "old hero becomes a villain" thing is for people who mistake needlessly dark for good writing

 

^^^^^^^^^

[Isaidlunch]

Warden Alistair in DAI felt like someone was whacking me with a newspaper for making a "wrong" world state. It's fitting if the HoF is dead but otherwise it's really unsatisfying.

[Eyes_Only]

While Alistair is in Skyhold I went and talked to Fiona who mentioned it was good to see him... a hint perhaps to the books where she is in fact suppose to be his mother. I wonder what she will say when he doesn't return from the Fade...

[GreyWarden_Smith]

While Alistair is in Skyhold I went and talked to Fiona who mentioned it was good to see him... a hint perhaps to the books where she is in fact suppose to be his mother. I wonder what she will say when he doesn't return from the Fade...

 

She sadden about his lose but doesn't mention her being his Mother.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=U_fvDXb_q1o

[GreyWarden_Smith]

OK this good know thought could be a bug or the fact that the warden drank the blood from Avernus and that will come around and bite the warden in the arse in the future.

 

Its strange that Alistair's reaction due to the friendship between him and the warden and the fact that during the origins he doesn't seem too bothered about the ritual situation (that I can remember at least) maybe it due to his dislike and distrust of Morrigan and the use of blood magic for the ritual. Leliana doesn't mention a "dark path" or does Morrigan but she playing happy families with the warden & it was her idea.

 

Nope, it's all jolly good there and he can't wait to be reunited with her.

 

That interesting I have a play-through where that is case, I guess cause he knows the warden more intimately and knows her true intentions then he has no reason to question her but you would thought he would mention it a little about the "dark path".

[Lewie]

OK this good know thought could be a bug or the fact that the warden drank the blood from Avernus and that will come around and bite the warden in the arse in the future.

 

Its strange that Alistair's reaction due to the friendship between him and the warden and the fact that during the origins he doesn't seem too bothered about the ritual situation (that I can remember at least) maybe it due to his dislike and distrust of Morrigan and the use of blood magic for the ritual. Leliana doesn't mention a "dark path" or does Morrigan but she playing happy families with the warden & it was her idea.

 

 

That interesting I have a play-through where that is case, I guess cause he knows the warden more intimately and knows her true intentions then he has no reason to question her but you would thought he would mention it a little about the "dark path".

My Hof didn't drink the blood from Avernus, that might be why you have a different reaction. 

 

Crikey. Choices do show up I guess.

[GreyWarden_Smith]

My Hof didn't drink the blood from Avernus, that might be why you have a different reaction. 

 

Crikey. Choices do show up I guess.

 

What choices did you make? & What did he say?

Did you do the ritual?

[Lewie]

What choices did you make? & What did he say?

Did you do the ritual?

I didn't drink the blood, told Avernus to help the wardens. Alistair had the ogb with Morrigan.

 

This is my 3rd playthrough so I have no idea how it plays out. My first 2 Alistair was king.

 

Siding with the templars... when Alistair is/was a templar and I have to wipe his mother? Who has a cure or knowledge?

 

Bioware you dun goofed. Big time.

[l7986]

You can kind of understand his adversity. Alistair helped save Ferelden and Thedas, but others forget he even existed

Everyone remembers the person in charge. Alistair had every chance to be the leader of the group but he was insistent on the Warden being in charge. If he wanted people to remember him he should have acted like the senior Grey Warden he was and led.

[Lebanese Dude]

Here you have a Grey Warden Alistair on the run trying to save the order from disaster, while the Hero of Fereldan is trying to get rid of the taint via questionable means rather than help him fix this mess.

Is it so out of character for him to get irritated? He's gotten pissed for lesser things.

[Monica21]

I would argue otherwise, but okay.

 

The "old hero becomes a villain" thing is for people who mistake needlessly dark for good writing, especially when you can play a Lawful Good boyscout Warden.

 

I'm not sure why "dark path" automatically means "might become a villain." Trying to cure the Calling can quite possibly become very dark. Avernus was doing a lot of messed up stuff. A dark path can simply mean that if one is going to try to cure the Calling, it might necessarily test the boundaries of morality. That doesn't equal "villain" status to me.

[Phoe77]

Everyone remembers the person in charge. Alistair had every chance to be the leader of the group but he was insistent on the Warden being in charge. If he wanted people to remember him he should have acted like the senior Grey Warden he was and led.

 

Just because I know that people can be jerks doesn't mean that I have to grin and be happy about it.  His resentment is justified because there's no good reason that his efforts shouldn't be acknowledged.  

 

If I were him, I'd also be kind of peeved that my bud and fellow Grey Warden decided to wander off and do who-knows-what while the world is spiraling out of control.

[DracoAngel]

Everyone remembers the person in charge. Alistair had every chance to be the leader of the group but he was insistent on the Warden being in charge. If he wanted people to remember him he should have acted like the senior Grey Warden he was and led.

Because that whole 6months longer... We also won't take into account that he himself was still learning the ins-and-outs of the Wardens. Senior Warden quality right thur

 

TBH whenever I had a world state that had Alistair as a Warden and unromanced, what he says "I'll be answering that question the rest of my life. Yes, I was there. It was big. The Hero of Ferelden was brave. What have you done for us lately, Alistair? New time. New problem." I never saw it as him downplaying the HoF's role. I just think after 10yrs he has grown tired of the same question over and over again. Think about it: you would be tired of people asking you about someone and an event over an 10yr span too. Don't even deny it.

[Lewie]

Here you have a Grey Warden Alistair on the run trying to save the order from disaster, while the Hero if Fereldan is trying to get rid of the taint rather than help him fix this mess.

Is it so out of character for him to get irritated? He's gotten pissed for lesser things.

This is where something isn't right for me. Fiona is his mother right? I can understand him not knowing because secrets. 

 

Siding with the templars you just wipe her out. 

 

No dialogue, nothing. She has been a leader of mages, a grey warden.

 

The Inquisitor is a bloody sponge, has to suck up everything to keep it safe. 

[o Ventus]

I'm not sure why "dark path" automatically means "might become a villain." Trying to cure the Calling can quite possibly become very dark. Avernus was doing a lot of messed up stuff. A dark path can simply mean that if one is going to try to cure the Calling, it might necessarily test the boundaries of morality. That doesn't equal "villain" status to me.

The person I was responding to said "something less than heroic". What else would that mean if not becoming a villain? In any other context, that's EXACTLY what that would entail if you aren't arguing semantics. Funny you mention Avernus, because he could arguably be called a villain (with well intentions, but a villain regardless).

[GreyWarden_Smith]

Here you have a Grey Warden Alistair on the run trying to save the order from disaster, while the Hero if Fereldan is trying to get rid of the taint via questionable means rather than help him fix this mess.

Is it so out of character for him to get irritated? He's gotten pissed for lesser things.

 

He doesn't know that the Hero of Fereldan is searching for the cure only that they are missing but I can see why he might be irritated by the fact the Hero isn't helping with this dire situation but he suggests that Hero of Fereldan might not even help inquisition if they could.

 

I'm not sure why "dark path" automatically means "might become a villain." Trying to cure the Calling can quite possibly become very dark. Avernus was doing a lot of messed up stuff. A dark path can simply mean that if one is going to try to cure the Calling, it might necessarily test the boundaries of morality. That doesn't equal "villain" status to me.

 

its not just the phrase but the way it acted, Alistair seems cold about the Hero of Fereldan in the play-through and he doesn't know about the cure at the time but it is  only the that line dialogue plus he has been warden for 10 years  and the fifth blight was a long time ago so I can see one he isn't he old chirpy self from origins and bit more withered.