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[Lewie]

War table alert!

 

Can I use the power of the Inquisition to find out why Fiona is cured? Considering the fact that she is in my frigging castle. 

 

We can find out Corys name and his history but not even touch Fiona?

 

I smell story.

[thesuperdarkone2]

War table alert!

 

Can I use the power of the Inquisition to find out why Fiona is cured? Considering the fact that she is in my frigging castle. 

 

We can find out Corys name and his history but not even touch Fiona?

 

I smell story.

I would seriously laugh if it turned out the cure to the Calling required Fiona/ the Architect being alived. Their reactions would be priceless

[l7986]

Because that whole 6months longer... We also won't take into account that he himself was still learning the ins-and-outs of the Wardens. Senior Warden quality right thur

Still 6 months more then the Warden had. Last time I checked the Warden either just had his family murdered, was taken from his clan, came close to being or was raped/had his soon to be wife kidnapped, raped and murdered (not sure about city elf origin), or was banished from Orzamaar. So yea lets all baby Alistair and make sure he has multiple years to take it slow and learn everything, but lets toss the Warden from one horrific situation into setting up the army that will take down the Archdemon because we wouldn't want poor precious Alistair to be overwhelmed.

[GreyWarden_Smith]

War table alert!

 

Can I use the power of the Inquisition to find out why Fiona is cured? Considering the fact that she is in my frigging castle. 

 

We can find out Corys name and his history but not even touch Fiona?

 

I smell story.

 

That does seem like an omission due to fact the Hero of Fereldans romance talks about the Fiona being cured and Fiona is there at Skyhold if you do the Mages story but she can be killed if you pick the Templars which brings up question on whether she is truly important to future content but the option would have been great but perhaps she has has no true ideas as to why she was cured but any speculation would help the Hero and their romance option they would also take a keen interest in it too.

[WardenWade]

I don't know if there is a thread about this.

 

In a play-through where Alistair stayed a warden instead of becoming king he said that the Hero of Ferelden in that play-through was walking a "dark path" and questioned whether they would help inquisition or not. My question is what made him say this about the Hero of Ferelden?.

This Hero of Ferelden wasn't a "evil" Hero of Ferelden at all. Is this due to fact he did the dark ritual and romanced Morrigan and walked through the Eluvian with her at the end of Witch Hunt DLC?.

 

this is my only state where he isn't King or where he is still a warden but didn't romance the Hero of Ferelden in that play-through so I can't compare the answer in other play-throughs.

I noticed this too, and found it very interesting.  I figure my Tabris Warden is deep in the West with

Spoiler

Solas/The Dread Wolf

and that is the "dark path" Alistair is hinting at

[Scofield]

no idea what Alistair is jealous about since he sat doing nothing in camp all the time

[Eyes_Only]

That was kind of my "wtf Alistair?" moment.

 

My hero lost his family thanks to Howe and Loghain. He got thrust into the fire where he single handedly solved the Orzammar conflict, the elves and werewolf conflict and restored order in the mage tower. He won over the hearts and minds of those at the landsmeet. Yet what did Alistair do this whole time? ****** and moan about how swooping is bad. "eww your kissing that witch." or "No I don't want to accept my duties as senior warden or the last member of the royal blood line." which forced my young Cousland to do all the work but ultimately save the throne by taking it himself with queen Anora so that at least noble blood remained on the throne.

 

ten years later and all Alistair can do is whine some more about how he was betrayed and blah blah blah. As I recall he was nothing but a sobbing idiot in camp and child when it came to any sort or responsibility.

 

I might have to do a world status with him as a warden and my HoF his lover but neither having the throne and see what he says then.

[Hazegurl]

LOL!! So Alistair is still a whiny prig 10 years later, even after sparing him from taking the throne he refused and keeping him a GW just like he wanted.  I always thought that keeping Alistair as a GW would have been the best possible ending for him, but oh well.  Good my warden let him die, then.  He has no one else to blame but himself for his lack of recognition. He could have taken the lead, took the throne, used my Warden as muscle, and saved the day. But he didn't.

[AlexiaRevan]

You can kind of understand his adversity. Alistair helped save Ferelden and Thedas, but others forget he even existed (perhaps due to his bastard lineage). Not everyone cares about recognition from their peers, and maybe the Warden was one of those people - entirely possible. For instance, my 3rd import Warden happily let Alistair take the credit if it meant he'd die... although, I suspect my she will get all the praise.

 

Alistair did almost as much as the Warden did, though it was his choice to let somebody else lead. As with a lot of things that involve Alistair, he's being a bit of a whinge. Not that there's anything wrong with that; it makes him personable and believable. He does deserve recognition though, even if he should have expected to be unappreciated for taking a backseat.

So much this....

 

Thats why....he isnt in my game anymore..Sprout is much better . I dont wanna hear how envious he is , when it was his choice to make someone who *may not have wanted to be a warden* and ya ditched all the goddamn pressure and burden on her...and followed happily like a sidekick . 

[Orian Tabris]

Anything that implies our former protagonist becoming something less heroic is good.

 

That depends on the situation, and relies on our former hero/heroine actually having been an anti-hero in that game.

[Lewie]

That does seem like an omission due to fact the Hero of Fereldans romance talks about the Fiona being cured and Fiona is there at Skyhold if you do the Mages story but she can be killed if you pick the Templars which brings up question on whether she is truly important to future content but the option would have been great but perhaps she has has no true ideas as to why she was cured but any speculation would help the Hero and their romance option they would also take a keen interest in it too.

For crying out loud. Please use full stops in your posts, or at least commas.

[Orian Tabris]

He could have taken the lead, took the throne, used my Warden as muscle, and saved the day. But he didn't.

 

Dude/tte, Alistair is neither that smart, nor that conniving/calculating. He was never going to do something as despicable as use the Warden, and you can't blame or hate him for it, because that would make you seem very pathetic (or it would, if this wasn't the BSN).

[Chuvvy]

He says that if you did the Dark Ritual. If the Warden did the US, he is instead angry that the Warden completely overshadowed everything he did and nobody cares about anything he did. I think he's just jealous 

 

And here I thought we were friends.

 

At any rate, everything with a warden Alistair and an unromanced HoF is pretty stupid, especially if you were friends. Either you fucked his girlfriend at some point or it's OOC. It doesn't make any sense to me that he would be so bitter and distrustful of the warden. In one instance he's buttmad he's still alive and thinks you're probably working for the bad wardens, and in the other he's butt mad that you giving your life to save him doesn't get him enough attention.

 

10/10 friendship there. Truly, I'm glad I gave you one of the best shields in the game because of your weird attachment to Duncan, just so you could pull this **** ten years later, and then not even use the ****** thing. 

[In Exile]

And here I thought we were friends.

At any rate, everything with a warden Alistair and an unromanced HoF is pretty stupid, especially if you were friends. Either you fucked his girlfriend at some point or it's OOC. It doesn't make any sense to me that he would be so bitter and distrustful of the warden. In one instance he's buttmad he's still alive and thinks you're probably working for the bad wardens, and in the other he's butt mad that you giving your life to save him doesn't get him enough attention.

10/10 friendship there. Truly, I'm glad I gave you one of the best shields in the game because of your weird attachment to Duncan, just so you could pull this **** ten years later, and then not even use the ****** thing.

Wait you thought that shield is good?

[KaiserShep]

Hey, all the more reason to leave him behind in the Fade XD

 

Anyway, I was glad to just make him king. If he's going to be useful for something, it might as well be as a hood ornament for Anora's political machine.

I'm not sure what this dark path is, though my Warden did some shady stuff in her time. She was basically running lyrium for Dust Town Heisenberg, assassinated people, drank Avernus' Evil Red Bull®, and then talked Al into gettin' down with OGB. And now, she is seemingly on a quest to cut ties entirely. I think I love my Warden even more now.

[RetconStupidity]

I also found this very frustrating, especially since I was 100% bros with Alistair all through Origins and besides the Dark Ritual (which he thought was a good idea in DA 1) my HoF did no bad choices.

 

So, was his friend, looked out for him, goes off to cure the Calling (e.g. for ungrateful pricks like him) and get's dismissed and told to be 'walking a dark path'.

 

Bah. Nearly five years on, and this is the pay-off on my HoF and Alistair's relationship? Geez, thank's Bioware.

[Phoe77]

This topic is making me want to import a worldstate where Alistair is with the wardens.  That's not good. How am I supposed to choose between Alistair and Hawke?  

 

On the other hand, the dialogue wheel does say that whoever stays behind "will likely die" or something.  I wonder why that instance leaves the possibility of survival open when other ones are very definitive about what the results are going to be...

 

I'll have to find my tinfoil hat and consider this more carefully...

[(Disgusted noise.)]

It really annoyed me. Ultimately it's moot since I've retconned my personal canon and made him king because I refuse to lose either him or Hawke, but it was still frustrating to hear him say that. My warden was closer with Alistair than he was with anyone else, he didn't force him to be king because Alistair said he didn't want to, and then did the DR so that both of them could make it through the Blight. He always tried to have Alistair's best interests at heart. And how does he repay me? By apparently abandoning our friendship and talking crap about me to a stranger. What the hell?

 

Although, I agree it felt less like Alistair talking and more like the writers wanting to punish you for picking a world state that they didn't want to exist.

[Hazegurl]

Dude/tte, Alistair is neither that smart, nor that conniving/calculating. He was never going to do something as despicable as use the Warden, and you can't blame or hate him for it, because that would make you seem very pathetic (or it would, if this wasn't the BSN).

True, he wasn't bright at all which is why he's dead in my game. However, as the senior GW at the time, he could have easily took charge. He was awake first, he had the treaties, he had connections to Eamon. The Warden most likely would have been in a position of following him and helping him out. The muscle, while Alistair leads the charge.  Not seeing how that is remotely considered despicable. But whatever.

 

However, Alistair didn't do those things but he wants to act salty because the HoF, the man who did take charge, got the recognition he deserved.

[Lewie]

This is Inquisition.

 

Choices don't matter.

[perfect_victime]

He didn't want to be King. He didn't want to get married to Anora. He didn't want to sleep with Morrigan. All these things the Warden did for him and he makes these comments. Oh it is sad what ten years can do to a man.

[Lebanese Dude]

Are you people forgetting that the HoF is the PC

Few remember the companions, and 10 years later theyd probably lose all favor while the infallible PC hero remains cherished.

Look at what Cassandra said about the mages who helped her.

What about Isseya? Who remembers her?

The fact of the matter is that Alistair is just having the perfectly normal human reaction to having your actions ignored and words dismissed because youre being compared to someone else, who by all accounts is off doing their own thing when he needs you most.

Have some empathy people ><

[SugarBabe49]

I felt like the game was punishing me for romancing Alistair than keeping him as a Warden! I choose to keep him with the Wardens - I have to leave him or Hawke behind in the Fade. I choose to keep him as King - my Queen has gone off somewhere (for who knows how long). Thanks Bioware - glad to see you like Alistair that much.

 

But overall - I would have preferred it if the Keep had allowed the option for you to say you were good friends with Alistair. Like you did with Varric because all of them were good friends with him.

 

However - if you ask Alistair (before and during landsmeet) he says he could make a good king. So really - he does want to become King, he is calling out Eamon for basically assuming Alistair will take the Throne without asking him. Considering Eamon shoved Alistair in to the stables at a young age, then threw him to the Chantry, which then led to the mothers to train him in becoming a templar, which then led to Duncan to conscripting Alistair into the Wardens because the Grand Cleric wouldn't let him go.

 

Over all - Alistiar never had much choice in anything so Eamon saying he will be King was the tip of the iceberg. Yet when I asked him as my warden, he admits that he think  he could be a good King - all because my warden asked him what he wanted instead of just listening to him shout at Eamon (which is always satisfying).

 

However - the Dark Path - that should be interesting, especially if you chose to keep Avernus/Architect Alive, took the power potion and allowed the Dark Ritual. Then there is a sign that everything will mix in together, now with Solas roaming...

 

Does anyone know what Bioware's stance on Avernus/Architect? I know they made Alistair King and I think they didn't keep the Dark Ritual since they said the default import doesn't have it?

[Quaddis]

Alistair is an idiot. Lovable idiot, but still an idiot. and lazy at that.

[Lebanese Dude]

Alistair is an idiot. Lovable idiot, but still an idiot. and lazy at that.

Which makes him all the more human to me. Perfect characters bore me.