Has any codex or whatever mentioned what happened to the Relay on the Citadel? Or the Relay on Ilos? Or the Mu Relay leading to Ilos?
From what I can tell, none of the codex in ME3 every mention them, or what happened to them after ME1. I always assumed one of them was disabled after ME1, to prevent another Citadel invasion. But that has never been proven. And you can't access to Mu Relay in ME3.
We know that the Mu Relay is public knowledge and accessible for certain groups. Salarian research teams went through it to reach Ilos and the Alliance Fifth Fleet visited Ilos during their victory lap.
Has any codex or whatever mentioned what happened to the Relay on the Citadel? Or the Relay on Ilos? Or the Mu Relay leading to Ilos?
From what I can tell, none of the codex in ME3 every mention them, or what happened to them after ME1. I always assumed one of them was disabled after ME1, to prevent another Citadel invasion. But that has never been proven. And you can't access to Mu Relay in ME3.
Check out the demael flowers around The Conduit. They're coming in very nicely.
It's still there. They didn't do anything with it because nothing was written about it. In ME3, they originally called "The Beam" "The Conduit", then due to peoples confusion renamed it "The Beam." I always wondered why Shepard never used the one on Ilos again. Probably due to plot reasons.
Face the fact - the only way to do Mass Effect properly would be to reimagine ME1,2, and 3.
The power supply for the sending relay on Ilos probably failed right after Shepard went through it in ME1.
At least that would explain the timer and why none of the other geth troops got through after the Mako.
Face the fact - the only way to do Mass Effect properly would be to reimagine ME1,2, and 3.
Nah, 2 and 3 is enough. ME1 just had some very minor issues, that are not really relevant to the overall plot.
As for the conduit, I would actually assume that it was shut down or sealed in some way. Maybe they threw it off the station when the reapers closed in on Illos.
Nah, 2 and 3 is enough. ME1 just had some very minor issues, that are not really relevant to the overall plot.
As for the conduit, I would actually assume that it was shut down or sealed in some way. Maybe they threw it off the station when the reapers closed in on Illos.
Hell, I would settle for 3. Some things just boggle the mind. But hey, head-canon is actually very effective.
The Conduit is inoperable. Vigil warns you about that before the final charge with the Mako. Once it closes, it's dead.
The Council *suddenly* forgot all their inhibitions about sending a fleet into the Terminus systems when it was revealed there was a 'back door' onto the Citadel and major prothean artifacts on Ilos. Convenient, that. You learn about it in ME 2, indirectly, through a news article about the Batarians complaining they aren't permitted to visit Ilos.
The Relay Monument still stands on the Presidium. It was not dismantled or moved. You can catch a glimpse of it from the balcony of Anderson's office/the human embassy in ME 2.
Nah, 2 and 3 is enough. ME1 just had some very minor issues, that are not really relevant to the overall plot.
As for the conduit, I would actually assume that it was shut down or sealed in some way. Maybe they threw it off the station when the reapers closed in on Illos.
It's packed away right next to the Lost Ark 
What about the other Relay on the Citadel, you know the massive one that links to dark space?
It seems to me that if anyone was going to try and "prove" the existence of the Reapers in-between ME 1 & 2, or to try and find a weakness or at least a place to hide in ME 3 that this fact would have been looked into. Even if we accept that no one bothered to look into the Dark Relay prior to the Reapers' arrival, I find it odd that no one thought to go back and listen to Shepard's debriefing on his/her interaction with Vigil, you know the whole: "The Citadel is actually a giant mass relay, and that the Reapers use it as a gateway into the heart of the galactic government" bit.
It stands to reason that whatever is out there is the closest analog the Reapers have to a home world, and could quite possibly contain valuable information on Reaper construction or weaknesses. Maybe there is a giant shipyard of sorts that the Reapers use to effect repairs after each cycle, or even a Reaper command and control structure (really it would have made more sense to leave the controlling force of the Reaper in an area that none of the current cycle's species could reach). Even if there is nothing out there, then what better place to hide from the Reaper onslaught then dark space?
The Dark Relay could have been used to send out a contingency plan in case the Reapers won. Send out a massive fleet of ships filled with supplies and have them FTL in any direction away from the galaxy for a few hours and then go dark and slow boat it back to the Milky Way. It would take many generations to make it back to the galaxy proper, but the Reapers would have no possible way to track an impossibly small target amidst the infinite inter-galactic void.
What about the other Relay on the Citadel, you know the massive one that links to dark space?
It seems to me that if anyone was going to try and "prove" the existence of the Reapers in-between ME 1 & 2, or to try and find a weakness or at least a place to hide in ME 3 that this fact would have been looked into. Even if we accept that no one bothered to look into the Dark Relay prior to the Reapers' arrival, I find it odd that no one thought to go back and listen to Shepard's debriefing on his/her interaction with Vigil, you know the whole: "The Citadel is actually a giant mass relay, and that the Reapers use it as a gateway into the heart of the galactic government" bit.
It stands to reason that whatever is out there is the closest analog the Reapers have to a home world, and could quite possibly contain valuable information on Reaper construction or weaknesses. Maybe there is a giant shipyard of sorts that the Reapers use to effect repairs after each cycle, or even a Reaper command and control structure (really it would have made more sense to leave the controlling force of the Reaper in an area that none of the current cycle's species could reach). Even if there is nothing out there, then what better place to hide from the Reaper onslaught then dark space?
The Dark Relay could have been used to send out a contingency plan in case the Reapers won. Send out a massive fleet of ships filled with supplies and have them FTL in any direction away from the galaxy for a few hours and then go dark and slow boat it back to the Milky Way. It would take many generations to make it back to the galaxy proper, but the Reapers would have no possible way to track an impossibly small target amidst the infinite inter-galactic void.
I guess people thought it'd be a bad idea to open a relay to the Reaper "homeworld" right on the Citadel. What if some were left behind to guard the place?
I guess people thought it'd be a bad idea to open a relay to the Reaper "homeworld" right on the Citadel. What if some were left behind to guard the place?
The Reaper invasion seemed to be an "all hands(tentacles) on deck" move, but even if they left a guardian force behind, wouldn't it be even more prudent to try and see what the Reapers are hiding there?
All throughout the trilogy the various species have been scrambling for more concrete data on the Reapers, and here we have (potential) access to the Reaper "homeworld" right across the Citadel. I mean the Council and Alliance was willing to dump considerable resources into finding out about a 'Reaper Killer' in Leviathan, if they are so desperate to grasp at straws then why not go with the research into where the Reapers come from? For all anybody knew the Leviathan investigation was a wild goose chase (until Shepard and the plot showed up), and there was no way that anyone could know that the species that was able to kill a Reaper was still alive, let alone the ones that created the thing that created the Reapers.
Militarily, and logistically it would have made more sense to look into locating of Reaper strongholds or points of interest, and the Dark Relay fits those descriptions perfectly.
The "big" Relay that the Citadel is, is disguised. It doesn't look like the other Mass Relays because it wasn't designed like the other Mass Relays.
As for the idea that the other end of the Citadel relay is in dark space, I'm not so sure. I suspect what the Citadel does is enable a Reaper in dark space to act as the 'anchor' for the other end of the mass-free corridor, thus allowing the rest of the Reapers to travel directly to the Citadel.
It wasn't referred to at any other point in the series, which is probably because the lead writer forgot about that detail. That's something which happens a lot, when you're not working from a 'story bible' like the DA team does.
Nah. They didn't forget about it. It was because.... Arrival. Space Magic. And they wanted to do that "Starchild" ending because it was so awesome. 
Seeing the Reaper "homeworld" in dark space could have been the creepiest and most amazing part of ME3.
I mean, we blew one mass relay, why can't we blow their main relay?
Seeing the Reaper "homeworld" in dark space could have been the creepiest and most amazing part of ME3.
I mean, we blew one mass relay, why can't we blow their main relay?
It would have made for an awesome backdrop to the finale of the trilogy. Shepard fighting the Reapers in dark space, with the Milky Way; the physical embodiment of everyone s/he is trying to save; sitting in the background. Being trapped in the cold void of inter-galactic space would have made for a perfect Low EMS ending as well; Shepard has saved the galaxy, but can never return to it in his/her lifetime.
Its sad that two of the most fascinating locations of outer space (to me) were overlooked over the course of the trilogy namely: the super massive black hole at the center of the Milky Way, and the empty void of inter-galactic space.
It would have made for an awesome backdrop to the finale of the trilogy. Shepard fighting the Reapers in dark space, with the Milky Way; the physical embodiment of everyone s/he is trying to save; sitting in the background. Being trapped in the cold void of inter-galactic space would have made for a perfect Low EMS ending as well; Shepard has saved the galaxy, but can never return to it in his/her lifetime.
Its sad that two of the most fascinating locations of outer space (to me) were overlooked over the course of the trilogy namely: the super massive black hole at the center of the Milky Way, and the empty void of inter-galactic space.
Yup, instead we got to reenact the charge of the light brigade.
I mean, the tactics and battle-logic in ME (ME3 in particular) are just atrocious:
How do you kill a Yahg? You. Punch. Him. A being that should have been able to smash every bone in your body with one backhand. But Shepard somehow manages to push him back without the aid of some insane biotics or being a cyborg made from carbon nano tubes.
Facing multiple reapers on foot, somehow dodging their red beam of death, something that even nimble fighters and frigates have trouble doing, and not getting liquified or vaporized from the shockwave of a near impact.
Being defeated by Kai Leng's gunship, after taking down multiple gunships, harvesters, banshees, ravagers, etc.
I bet that there are many more examples, but none are as idiotic as the final charge, on foot, against Harbinger.
Think about it, Reapers have notoriously deadly targeting and analysis software, Harbinger has multiple main weapons, not to mention probably point defense lasers that are more then enough to vaporize a single organic, and we attack it on foot...
At this point I half wanted to see a total Reaper victory, because that's what the the brilliant "plan" deserved.
And what do you know, I kinda got my wish...
Shepard is a cyborg. Health upgrades from research terminal
Shepard is a cyborg. Health upgrades from research terminal
*snip*
That's not quite enough. The difference in mass alone, makes a direct physical confrontation a joke.
At best, Shepard should have been thrown across the room when he tried something so foolhardy.
We saw harvesters take down gunships, and Shep & Co took down at least a dozen over the course of the game.
And if the Cyber Ninja indeed had the shields and skills you describe, Shepard shouldn't have been able to kill him eventually.
But fine, the other examples are better anyway.
About the Dark Relay on the Citadel; there's a simple reason why they couldn't use it for research. The Alliance simply couldn't access it. There are parts of the Citadel that they either didn't know about or couldn't access, such as the entire section of the Citadel where the Starchild and such resides. Also, the signal that was supposed to open the Citadel in the first place was probably of Reaper-make, some sort of Reaper code, and without that particular code they wouldn't be able to open the Dark Relay to see what's on the other side. And the contingency plan in case the signal didn't reach the Citadel to activate it (as it didn't because the Protheans fucked with it before Mass Effect) was for a Reaper to physically interface with the Citadel to activate it. So without either the activation code or a willing Reaper, the Alliance wouldn't be able to activate the Dark Relay.
Also, traveling to Dark Space would be too great a risk for the Alliance. They had no idea where it went or what to expect on the other side; for all they knew, it would invite the Reapers right on in. Which would take out the Citadel. Which is the center of global trade and politics. Which is EXACTLY what the Reapers originally intended.
About the Dark Relay on the Citadel; there's a simple reason why they couldn't use it for research. The Alliance simply couldn't access it. There are parts of the Citadel that they either didn't know about or couldn't access, such as the entire section of the Citadel where the Starchild and such resides. Also, the signal that was supposed to open the Citadel in the first place was probably of Reaper-make, some sort of Reaper code, and without that particular code they wouldn't be able to open the Dark Relay to see what's on the other side. And the contingency plan in case the signal didn't reach the Citadel to activate it (as it didn't because the Protheans fucked with it before Mass Effect) was for a Reaper to physically interface with the Citadel to activate it. So without either the activation code or a willing Reaper, the Alliance wouldn't be able to activate the Dark Relay.
Also, traveling to Dark Space would be too great a risk for the Alliance. They had no idea where it went or what to expect on the other side; for all they knew, it would invite the Reapers right on in. Which would take out the Citadel. Which is the center of global trade and politics. Which is EXACTLY what the Reapers originally intended.
That's just means that it can be difficult. Originally, no one had a way to move through the Omega 4 Relay, until they did.
The Reapers are already attacking in a force sufficient to crush any resistance given enough time, at this point you have very little left to lose by opening the Citadel relay and attacking their "homeworld".
Its sad that two of the most fascinating locations of outer space (to me) were overlooked over the course of the trilogy namely: the super massive black hole at the center of the Milky Way, and the empty void of inter-galactic space.
Well, the Collector base is just at the verge of the accretion disc of a black hole at/near the galaxy's center. This black hole could very well be Sagittarius A*.
Shepard took only two gunships - Donovan Hock's and the one on Garrus recruitment mission. First, he had Kasumi disabling its shields, second was already damaged. There was also no crazy cyber-ninja with shields of a cruiser attacking him.
+ The gunship at Samara's RM.
I was goint to say that the shielded version used by hock seems to be a special fabrication, as no other A-61 has been seen to have kinetic barriers
-but the wiki claims the exact opposite, that unshielded versions are not standard. 
Well, the Collector base is just at the verge of the accretion disc of a black hole at/near the galaxy's center. This black hole could very well be Sagittarius A*.
Yeah, but it was just a brief comment and a static part of the background. It would have been cool if we got to explore it in more depth, but we jump through the Omega 4 relay, fight the Collector ship, get on the base, and then run away once we complete the SM.
I believe SporkFu is correct with the "one-way" point. It's why the Prothean researchers couldn't get back to Ilos.
Why others couldn't take it to the Citadel later, I don't know.
And it seemed as though only Soverign had the means to open the Citadel as a relay. Or maybe the Keepers. But since Soverign is a Reaper and beyond most technology of the known galaxy and the Keepers are BARELY sentient, there may be no way to open/operate the Citadel as a relay.
I believe SporkFu is correct with the "one-way" point. It's why the Prothean researchers couldn't get back to Ilos.
Why others couldn't take it to the Citadel later, I don't know.
And it seemed as though only Soverign had the means to open the Citadel as a relay. Or maybe the Keepers. But since Soverign is a Reaper and beyond most technology of the known galaxy and the Keepers are BARELY sentient, there may be no way to open/operate the Citadel as a relay.
It still would have been nice if the fact that the Citadel was a Relay was acknowledged outside of the end of the first game. Even if the scientists studying it weren't making any headway it would have been preferable to hear some dialogue to that effect.
Personally though, trying to exploit a known Reaper tactic and potentially use it against them to strike at their 'homeworld' would warrant far more attention and resources than trying to find out about a 'Reaper Killer' that very well could have been wiped out millions of years ago.
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