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[RedCaesar97]

So I came across this little nugget when reading planet descriptions in Mass Effect 3. I searched the forums to see if anyone had created a topic similar to this but did not find any. 

 

The description for the asteroid Lucen (Athena Nebula > Parnitha System > Asteroid belt) has the following paragraph:

 

Lucen is named for the servant of the goddess Athame, who beseeched the goddess for the gifts of pottery, forging, and biotics. Lucen then sailed the sea and sky teaching these gifts to mortals. It is said that the aging, powerful matriarch begged Athame for the gift of prophecy, so she would see whether the asari would prosper in the future. Athame refused, prophecy being hers alone, and when Lucen tried to steal it from Athame's silver jars, Athame struck her down.

 

Considering some of the conversations with Javik in the Temple of Athame, and how the ancient Asari viewed events that were beyond their understanding, what do you think really happened between Lucen and Athame?

 

 

[Undead Han]

I think it is difficult to determine whether or not that is based on a real event with Protheans, or is just part of their religious mythology. The other issue is whether Athame or Lucen existed before the arrival of the Protheans, or if their cults began after Prothean contact. I lean towards the former, just because that mirrors some events in our own history where first contact between two civilizations resulted in one mistaking the other for beings from existing myths. I think worship of Athame and Lucen probably predates Prothean contact, and the primitive Asari just mistook Prothean explorers for those gods.

[RanetheViking]

In the Temple on Thessia, Lucen, Janiri and Athame are visually represented as Prothean (the busts of Lucen and Janiri and the mural depicting Athame).  Whether they took their names from the Asari pantheon or not is unclear. Javik says "Athame was us", but you could argue that either way.

 

On Thessia Liara, when speaking about Lucen and Janiri,  says "He". That "He brought enlightenment to Thessia" etcetera, but in the codex you quoted above it says  "the aging powerful Matriarch ". It could be a cultural thing, the Asari using the feminine pronoun, but it could be from a story that pre-dates the Protheans.

 

Or maybe I'm reading it wrong.

[Undead Han]

Interesting catch Rane.

 

I wonder if Lucen was originally a female deity, who later morphed into a male after Prothean contact?

[RanetheViking]

Interesting catch Rane.

 

I wonder if Lucen was originally a female deity, who later morphed into a male after Prothean contact?

Yeah personally I think they were. I'm just playing through the Thessia mission at the moment and the planetary codices refer to Lucen, and Janiri, as Asari Goddesses (sp?).  So I think you are right, the Prothy's used the existing pantheon to make themselves more believable.

 

But whether the Prothean Lucen and Janiri were male (even Javik in the Temple refers to them in the masculine) personally I'd expect that the Prothean Athame would've had to have been a female Prothean. Because I can't see the Asari going along with having a male acting as their 'main' goddess. Surely they would've questioned it or something.  Or hell, maybe the writers overlooked that detail while the making the game. lol

 

But as to Red's qurstion,  -  one scenario could be that Lucen got too close to the Asari and wanted to come clean and give them full disclosure, but 'Athame', probably the head of the Asari Uplift Program, said that was a no-no and he got a 'slap on the wrist'  ... or his limbs torn off.  Because I get the feeling that everything was punishable by death in the Empire. lol

 

Or maybe he argued they should be brought in to the Empire early because the Reapers had arrived and he knew they would need all the soldiers they could get. Especially as the Asari are all biotics (which was his "gift" to them).

 

Wow. That's a long post for me.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

In the Temple on Thessia, Lucen, Janiri and Athame are visually represented as Prothean (the busts of Lucen and Janiri and the mural depicting Athame).  Whether they took their names from the Asari pantheon or not is unclear. Javik says "Athame was us", but you could argue that either way.

 

On Thessia Liara, when speaking about Lucen and Janiri,  says "He". That "He brought enlightenment to Thessia" etcetera, but in the codex you quoted above it says  "the aging powerful Matriarch ". It could be a cultural thing, the Asari using the feminine pronoun, but it could be from a story that pre-dates the Protheans.

 

Or maybe I'm reading it wrong.

I think that's a writer's error on Thessia. They kind of went out of their way to make Liara look like an idiot.

[Vazgen]

I think that's a writer's error on Thessia. They kind of went out of their way to make Liara look like an idiot.

There is only one idiot in Mass Effect trilogy.

"You mean you were her other mother?"

"No, I did not pop her out"

"Sorry. If you were a human you'd both be called mother, regardless of who gave birth"

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

There is only one idiot in Mass Effect trilogy.

"You mean you were her other mother?"

"No, I did not pop her out"

"Sorry. If you were a human you'd both be called mother, regardless of who gave birth"

 

I thought Asari needed other species to reproduce.

[Laughing_Man]

There is only one idiot in Mass Effect trilogy.

"You mean you were her other mother?"

"No, I did not pop her out"

"Sorry. If you were a human you'd both be called mother, regardless of who gave birth"

 

Yeah, I don't know if it's the male voice actor, or the one who wrote commander Shaperd's responses, but I found myself cringing a lot every time I played ME3.

 

I thought Asari needed other species to reproduce.

 

I think Liara answered this in ME1: That would have meant that Asari couldn't have survived to meet the Salarians or indeed develop as a species at all.