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[thats1evildude]

I'm not sure your opponent would be too bothered about the forfeit if you'd just turned him into a pile of ash, stuck an arrow through his throat or decapitated him with a waraxe. It's obvious that your usual weapon should be set aside and only the chosen weapons used.

 

Technically speaking, you don't even need a weapon to kill Otranto. You could just use Mark of the Rift and boom, he's dead. Hell, as a Tempest, I could have used alchemy to win that duel easily. The specializations offer a range of. options for cheating.

 

But the point here is not to kill Otranto; it's to defeat him in an honourable duel so he breaks off the engagement, thus sparing the Montilyets any backlash. If Josie's lover dishonourably MURDERED Otranto in front of witnesses, what do you think the repurcussions would be? It would shame the Montilyets, if it didn't get them killed. Vendettas have been declared for less serious crimes.

 

If you got her family slaughtered in a blood feud, do you suppose Josie would be very happy with you?

[YourFunnyUncle]

Again, Josephine cannot simply call off the engagement without causing harm to her family. If her lover dishonourably MURDERED Otranto in front of witnesses, what do you think the repurcussions would be? If you got her family killed in a blood feud, do you suppose Josie would be very happy with you?

*sigh*

You'd be an idiot to do it but that's not the point I'm trying to make. By carrying your weapon the opportunity is there for foul play and if you set it aside then you demonstrate that the fight will be a fair one(well, unless you are a mage, where it's more of a symbolic gesture, but still...)

Added to that, carrying a huge staff, two-handed sword or axe on your back in a rapier duel has to impede your mobility. It just makes no sense to leave it in place if you're not going to use it.

[thats1evildude]

*sigh*

You'd be an idiot to do it but that's not the point I'm trying to make. By carrying your weapon the opportunity is there for foul play and if you set it aside then you demonstrate that the fight will be a fair one(well, unless you are a mage, where it's more of a symbolic gesture, but still...)

That still doesn't make sense to me. You can't use it, so whether there's an opportunity for foul play is irrelevant. As I said above, even with no weapons at hand, the Inquisitor can use Mark of the Rift to kill Otranto. And as you yourself indicated, a Mage doesn't NEED a staff to cast. It's impossible to disarm completely.

I can sorta see your other point, but equipment never bogs down the Inquisitor like it should.

How about I concede that the Inquisitor's weapon would slow them down, you concede my point and we leave it at that?

[YourFunnyUncle]

That still doesn't make sense to me. You can't use it, so whether there's an opportunity for foul play is irrelevant. As I said above, even with no weapons at hand, the Inquisitor can use Mark of the Rift to kill Otranto. And as you yourself indicated, a Mage doesn't NEED a staff to cast. It's impossible to disarm completely.

I can sorta see your other point, but equipment never bogs down the Inquisitor like it should.

How about I concede that the Inquisitor's weapon would slow them down, you concede my point and we leave it at that?

I'm sorry I'm not making myself clear, am I? It's not about you and what you will do given your circumstances, it's about duels in general. How does the one side know that they can trust the other? Otranto has never previously met you, so he can't know what you're prepared to do. In other cases a duel might be between two people with a bitter personal grudge .You remove doubt about the other side's integrity by making it an obviously fair playing field for both duellists. That's kind of the point of duels. It's why you choose weapons, and why traditionally they are checked by third parties to ensure fairness. Going to that trouble and then having another huge weapon strapped to your back goes completely against traditional duelling protocol.

Sure magic muddies the waters compared to the real world, and as you say the Inquisitor's Mark of the Rift power makes the point even more one of appearances, but you'd still follow protocol. The whole reason for the duel is protocol, after all.

Edit: Just to further clarify, I was never thinking in terms of understanding the Inquisitor's motivation for carrying their normal weapon. I think this is an oversight on the part of the cinematics guys. They should have removed the Inquisitor's weapon or better yet shown him/her hand it off to another party member. It would've improved the scene a lot for me by making it seem more like an actual duel following traditional protocol.

[Silcron]

So that's his name. I had forgotten. I have to admit, he was the best and only redeeming part of Josie's romance IMO. I'm sorry for Josie, she's nice but it just doesn't do it for me (then again that character just didn't work with me, but I wanted to finish the game so I could discuss it without spoiling myself.)

Hmm, maybe we could meet him in DA4. Hmm, maybe I should start a thread asking for him to get a major role and possibly be an LI, seemed to work for Cullen.

[thats1evildude]

I'm sorry I'm not making myself clear, am I? It's not about you and what you will do given your circumstances, it's about duels in general. How does the one side know that they can trust the other? Otranto has never previously met you, so he can't know what you're prepared to do. In other cases a duel might be between two people with a bitter personal grudge .You remove doubt about the other side's integrity by making it an obviously fair playing field for both duellists. That's kind of the point of duels. It's why you choose weapons, and why traditionally they are checked by third parties to ensure fairness. Going to that trouble and then having another huge weapon strapped to your back goes completely against traditional duelling protocol.

 

Well, RL duels are also generally conducted in private to avoid interference by the authorities, since RL duels have been basically illegal forever.

 

Otranto duels you right in the middle of the Summer Bazaar with a crowd of witnesses watching, including at least one servant. So even if you used another weapon to murder him, your dishonourable actions would be known.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Well, RL duels are also generally conducted in private to avoid interference by the authorities, since RL duels have been basically illegal forever.

 

Otranto duels you right in the middle of the Summer Bazaar with a crowd of witnesses watching, including at least one servant. So even if you used another weapon to murder him, your dishonourable actions would be known.

Well that's true. The weapon strapped to your back isn't the only thing that doesn't fit with a normal duel. Still, was really jarring to me to see it, in a scene that I otherwise liked, and I'd warrant that it costs fewer resources to get rid of a weapon than to construct a whole new "secluded duelling ground" sub-level.

[Qun00]

Zevran, annoyingly try hard?!?!

Look at me, I'm Zevran! My accent is thicker than Sten's arms and I am very assassin in my totally assassin ways!

[HayleyTaurus]

Haha am I the only one who thinks it would be hilarious to see a Qunari Inquisitor dancing around with a rapier?  In my mind it would be like giving them a tooth pick.

[d1ta]

Orlesian gents.. you may take notes from Otranto.
Especially on the fashion departement.


... I hope he has a brother whom i could bang with and starts a cheesy romance in DA4 later (omg I totally said that)

[Qun00]

Who is this Lord Ocrappo? :/

[Jedi Comedian]

Who is this Lord Ocrappo? :/

Otranto is the kind of guy that makes you want to rethink your sexuality.

[Qun00]

No, no, that's Cullen.

[Jedi Comedian]

No, no, that's Cullen.

Maybe its just that I like more the Water Dance than the Knight's Dance lol.

[Sifr]

I need to see him and Isabela duel to the death. (Or not to the death. To the nudity? Naked mud dueling?)

 

I can see Brotranto as being the guy Isabela mentioned to Carver, that she dueled on the beach until one of them ended up on top... so to speak.

 

Haha am I the only one who thinks it would be hilarious to see a Qunari Inquisitor dancing around with a rapier?  In my mind it would be like giving them a tooth pick.

 

I've done this before with a mage Adaar and it was extremely fun to see how awkward he looked holds a sword (since when would he have ever needed one before), especially when the blade looks so small due to his sheer size.

 

Female Qunari look slightly less awkward in that scene though, since they're a lot more slender. I've not played through with a female Qunari who romanced Josie yet, just watched the Allegra Clark video of her playing through that scene and then messing with the streamers by promptly dumping Josie/herself when the decision came up.

[dragonflight288]

I'm not sure your opponent would be too bothered about the forfeit if you'd just turned him into a pile of ash, stuck an arrow through his throat or decapitated him with a waraxe. It's obvious that your usual weapon should be set aside and only the chosen weapons used.

 

No, but the entire reputation of the Inquisitor, Herald of Andraste and the Inquisition as a whole would be forfeit and would likely make Josephine have a huge headache trying to sort things out.

[Undead Han]

No, but the entire reputation of the Inquisitor, Herald of Andraste and the Inquisition as a whole would be forfeit and would likely make Josephine have a huge headache trying to sort things out.

 

Pretty much. 

 

I would imagine that Thedas has it's own version of the Code Duello.

[YourFunnyUncle]

 

I would imagine that Thedas has it's own version of the Code Duello.

Which was my point. I can't imagine a duelling code where you're allowed to have a hulking great secondary weapon strapped to your back. I wasn't trying to suggest that it would be a good idea for the Inquisitor to cheat.