382 réponses à ce sujet

[Hans Olo]

I've said it before but it's worth saying again...you can have characters wear armor that looks like it serves it's intended function (protection) while also having it reflect their individual personalities. There is no reason why you can't have armor that looks both practical and sexy.

 

Some posters in this thread appear to be under the mistaken impression that it's an either/or thing.

 

Indeed, as if asking for that makes me/us prudes who can not stand the sight of boobs or butts (male and female) or sexy skin or curves.. 

 

- No more wedgies

- Actual masks

- Actual armour

- Keeping the audience/context in mind (Jack's nippleteaching)

- Casual outfits on board if possible

 

Is that crazy to want in a game of this calibre? From a games studio of this calibre? In a universe where it makes sense and where it was already put into practice in 33% of the games before being ditched for no good reason whatsoever?

[Morty Smith]

If you want to get rid of cleavage and bums I will fight you to the death.

[Hans Olo]

If you want to get rid of cleavage and bums I will fight you to the death.

 

I would like to answer your (obviously very informed and not at all ignorant) comment by quoting myself in the post above your own:

 

Indeed, as if asking for that makes me/us prudes who can not stand the sight of boobs or butts (male and female) or sexy skin or curves.. 

 

- No more wedgies

- Actual masks

- Actual armour

- Keeping the audience/context in mind (Jack's nippleteaching)

- Casual outfits on board if possible

 

Is that crazy to want in a game of this calibre? From a games studio of this calibre? In a universe where it makes sense and where it was already put into practice in 33% of the games before being ditched for no good reason whatsoever?

[HTTP 404]

perhaps to answer all of OP's concerns would be "Shields"

 

however, if it is personal tastes....I doubt there would be any changes to that.  

[Hans Olo]

perhaps to answer all of OP's concerns would be "Shields"

 

however, if it is personal tastes....I doubt there would be any changes to that.  

 

"Shields" are the reason for the huge difference between the aesthetics of the first game and the second and third?

 

Could you explain that to me?

[HTTP 404]

"Shields" are the reason for the huge difference between the aesthetics of the first game and the second and third?

 

Could you explain that to me?

 

nope, I don't care to.  You should ask Casey Hudson

[Hans Olo]

nope, I don't care to

 

Oh, so you COULD explain it to me, but you are not going to?

 

Somehow I doubt that you could, but if you say so.

[HTTP 404]

Oh, so you COULD explain it to me, but you are not going to?

 

Somehow I doubt that you could, but if you say so.

 

I don't want to discuss anything with you because you already have your mind set and are egging for an argument.  I see that you have an opinion on it and want others to have some sort of input but all I see is that you put them down for sharing it with you.

[Arppis]

I don't get why people make such a big deal out of this. Bioware has always been about diversity in their games. Like it or not, in real life some people are comfortable with their bodies enough that they want to show it off. So given they try to represent the real world diversity as much as possible when it comes to characteristics, race, genders, sexual orientation, etc. Why is there an outcry when it comes to personal wardrobe? Just because you wouldn't dress like that, doesn't mean that others won't or that it demeans them in any way. Samara, Jack, Miranda, and Ashley may have wore cleavage/tight fitting clothes but that isn't what they are defined by, its their character and its something that the writers have done a good job conveying. You are essentially judging a book by its cover. You wouldn't (I hope) do it in real life, so why here?

 

This. There are women on streets wearing outfits that show off their butt-cheeks. People choose to wear these outfits most cases. I doubt these women were forced to wear them by someone.

 

But I totally agree about skin-showing breathing masks and cleavage openings in the space. That is riddicilous and should be fixed. Spandex outfits however are alright. When this argument comes up, nobody mentions Jacob's outfit. He was wearing one as well. Is he being objectified? Ofcourse not, because he's a man! And us men are so awesome, we can wear anything and look cool in it, I suppose.

[Vazgen]

I don't read anything in that fan-composed material which would contradict a variance in strengths and capabilities of biotics.

Ah, yes, the inaccuracy of the wiki...

In that case, here are screenshots of in-game codex on

Biotics

Spoiler

Eezo

Spoiler

Mass Effect Fields

Spoiler

Shields

Spoiler

Body Armor

Spoiler

 

I also give you in-game dialogue about strain on the biotic's organism after prolonged use of his powers - Video link

 

Now, please, explain what means "biotic protection on a molecular level" and how it can work without contradicting lore (or at least part of it brought above).

[von uber]

Doesn't matter, since most of the game takes place outside the "Oh, let's have casual outfits here" encounters, making "casual outfits" pretty meaningless and useless. Again, there are PLENTY other games catering to that "let's dress realistic" nonsense. The ME games are not of that boring type, and should stay as they are for these aesthetic decisions, or they simply won't be Mass Effect games. If a minor lack of realism gets in the way of peoples "immersion", then that simply spells out to me that they lost all their imagination.

 

I didn't realise that if Mass Effect didn't have gratuitous arse shots, dromedary feet, straps over nipples/ erect nipples and copious amounts of cleavage it would render the entire game boring.

[Wynterdust]

The outfits of a character are supposed to contribute to what type of character they are. Although highly unrealistic, the characters outfits are part of what make them unique in the world.

Take Miranda for example. She has her catsuit which immediately  shows us she's confident not only in her appearance but also her ability in the heat of battle. It also adds to the fact she's not designed for frontal assaults but rather for being able to move around the battlefield quickly and quietly. (Even if that doesn't happen with the gameplay mechanics that doesn't matter). Give her a realistic set of battle armour and she loses part of what makes her unique. It's the same with Jack. That she's walking around pretty much in the nude is showing us her rebellious and free spirited nature and that she has no interest in following society's rules. Again, put her in armour and she's just an angrier soldier.

For NPC's it's fine that they dress realistically but for unique characters that all have their own identity in a story, they need to have outfits to set them apart from eachother and the NPC's.

On that basis, I disagree that they should change this should the trilogy be re released on the new gen consoles.

[AsheraII]

A style they suddenly acquired between ME1 and ME2?

 

 
Boobsplates: check
Shape emphasizing patterning: check
Only HALF a visor: check
 
Did you ever even play ME 1?
 
Conclusion: Aesthetics were a leading factor over practicality in ME 1 already. That doesn't make the games any less immersive. For people to complain about it, simply means they fail at immersion THEMSELVES. Harry Potter is no less immersive than a SciFi movie. And neither is the least bit realistic anyhow. Immersion has nothing to do with realism.
 

It does distinguish itself from other games. The KKK or hells angels also distinguish themselves from other clubs, does that make them good clubs?

I knew it was just a matter of time for people to start pulling Godwins using other examples than nazies.
 

The ME universe used to be one of those universes/games, until (surprise surprise) they were bought by EA.

I actually find Bioware games becoming slightly more mellow eversince they were taken over by EA. Graphics quality went up, but the games lost some of their provoking edge.
 

Have you played many bioware games? 
 
 
I am gonna take a wild guess and say you have not played Myst, or Half-Life, or Portal, or Baldur's Gate, or Fallout, or the elder scrolls.
 
Am I right?

Nope, I played most Bioware games within a week after release since Baldur's Gate, Just Shattered took a bit longer, and I never really got into NWN. Maybe if they hadn't picked such a fairytale-ish name at the time, I would've picked it up. As for the Elder Scrolls: I quit playing those after Morrowind, since it became very apparent Bethesda had no interest in ever returning to the game depth of Daggerfall. Sorry kid, but I don't see what you're trying to suggest either way. All I notice is you trolling around these forums to turn Mass Effect into a poor HALO ripoff. I'd be playing HALO if that interested me. Maybe you should, it fits perfectly to your requirements.

[Tex]

The outfits of a character are supposed to contribute to what type of character they are. Although highly unrealistic, the characters outfits are part of what make them unique in the world.
Take Miranda for example. She has her catsuit which immediately  shows us she's confident not only in her appearance but also her ability in the heat of battle. It also adds to the fact she's not designed for frontal assaults but rather for being able to move around the battlefield quickly and quietly. (Even if that doesn't happen with the gameplay mechanics that doesn't matter). Give her a realistic set of battle armour and she loses part of what makes her unique. It's the same with Jack. That she's walking around pretty much in the nude is showing us her rebellious and free spirited nature and that she has no interest in following society's rules. Again, put her in armour and she's just an angrier soldier.
For NPC's it's fine that they dress realistically but for unique characters that all have their own identity in a story, they need to have outfits to set them apart from eachother and the NPC's.
On that basis, I disagree that they should change this should the trilogy be re released on the new gen consoles.

I agree competly with this I never thought of them as being sexually objectifyed to me it actually added to their personality and character.

[Mathias]

I like cleavage and hot outfits.

 

It's fiction.

 

****** off and stop trying to hinder fun and creativity in games.

[Pasquale1234]

 

 
Boobsplates: check
Shape emphasizing patterning: check
Only HALF a visor: check
 
Did you ever even play ME 1?

I did. Did you?

The armor designs in ME1 looked protective. The helmets had shaded areas over the eyes, while non-reflective material covered the lower part of the face. The only impractical aspect of them are the ubiquitous wedgies - which would be both very uncomfortable and are, frankly, pretty gross.

It wasn't until ME2 that we started seeing squadmates go into hostile environments with a lot of bare skin exposed and masks connected to nothing.

[StealthGamer92]

 

 
 

 

You know,I wouldn't care at all about squad outfit's if my character could get the 3 style's of ME1 armor in MENext! Hell every game after 1 had those armor's but I was the only person in the universe who couldn't get my hand's on on a set. Even that Conrad idiot got a Heavy Armor in ME2, a replica I know but that would mean they should sell a retro-armor or something Shepard coulda got his/her hand's on somehow.

[Iakus]

I did. Did you?

The armor designs in ME1 looked protective. The helmets had shaded areas over the eyes, while non-reflective material covered the lower part of the face. The only impractical aspect of them are the ubiquitous wedgies - which would be both very uncomfortable and are, frankly, pretty gross.

It wasn't until ME2 that we started seeing squadmates go into hostile environments with a lot of bare skin exposed and masks connected to nothing.

Yup.  Put the squaddies in Onyx armor or something else with solid colors and you're good to go.

[von uber]

I like cleavage and hot outfits.

 

It's fiction.

 

****** off and stop trying to hinder fun and creativity in games.

 

So fun and creativity is defined by cleavage and hot outfits? Blimey, what with you and Asherall I didn't realise I had so woefully misjudged Mass Effect.

 

 

My Daughter is born in 5 weeks time. I really, really, really ****** hope that people like you no longer have an influence on the artistic style of games - especially alleged grown up ones likes this - by the time she comes around to playing them.

[goishen]

Well, I mean...  Ehh.  

 

You're arguing that they should return to the fully covered styles that they had in ME1, when they themselves created ME1.  When they, themselves, created the entire MEU.

 

You are basically saying, "No, you can't take artistic liberties on your own IP!"

 

Wait...  What?

[Mathias]

So fun and creativity is defined by cleavage and hot outfits? Blimey, what with you and Asherall I didn't realise I had so woefully misjudged Mass Effect. My Daughter is born in 5 weeks time. I really, really, really ****** hope that people like you no longer have an influence on the artistic style of games - especially alleged grown up ones likes this - by the time she comes around to playing them.

 

 

Oh stop it. Sexualization of women in gaming was at it's peak in the 90s and early 2000s, and it didn't turn me or other gamers into a bunch of misogynists. I love sexy looking women and outfits in my fiction, yet in real life, I respect women and treat my girlfriend very well. If your kids grow up not knowing what's appropriate in fiction and in reality, then that's your failure as a parent, and not the fault of the artist. Gaming is more diverse than it's ever been, but there should always be room for sexuality in games for artists and gamers who want it. You're going to continue to see a more diverse style of games in the future, but sexuality isn't going away. Not to mention that there are A LOT of women in real life who choose to dress in sexy revealing clothing.

 

Also drop the "people like you" act. You don't know me sir or ma'am. 

 

The only time I felt the Mass Effect trilogy went too far with the sexuality was the pointless and blatant close up shots of Miranda's butt, and Ashley's makeover. Other than that I see no other issue. Go play Ride to Hell: Retribution if you want to see actual objectification of women.

[von uber]

Stuff

 

I apologise for my tone; it is just that the display of certain female characters in this game is problematic. You may like looking at Jack's nipples EDi nicely sculpted anatomy can you not see how this might be alienating for female players? Or at the very least put them off the game?

[Mathias]

I apologise for my tone; it is just that the display of certain female characters in this game is problematic. You may like looking at Jack's nipples EDi nicely sculpted anatomy can you not see how this might be alienating for female players? Or at the very least put them off the game?

 

I do, but on the other hand there are both men and women who enjoy it or don't mind it. I've seen plenty of female gamers claim they like sexy outfits. And as long as there is a lore related reason why a female character has a revealing outfit, I don't find it offensive. EDI's nicely sculpted body didn't make sense to me at first, until I realized who had her designed. You can still argue it was fanservice, but at the same time you can still find an explanation for it. Ashley on the other had had literally no reason for her to go through such a drastic makeover, which bothered me.

 

As for ME4, Miranda and Liara were both received very positively by the fanbase in terms of character and looks. So I wouldn't be shocked to see very attractive and possibly sexy clothed women in the next game.

[CronoDragoon]

Perhaps they could play it safer for the default outfits and relegate the "sexier" ones to alternate outfits (for female and male characters!)? This way one can enjoy what they please but the normal choice is a bit safer.

[Cadell_Agathon]

I apologise for my tone; it is just that the display of certain female characters in this game is problematic. You may like looking at Jack's nipples EDi nicely sculpted anatomy can you not see how this might be alienating for female players? Or at the very least put them off the game?

 

Sorry to butt in but I cannot see how the depiction attractive women or showing of female skin is alienating to female players. In these same games, there are usually attractive and physically perfect male characters. There are even male characters that are specifically stated to be handsome or hunky, especially in modern day games. If these attractive male depictions do not alienate me from a game, why should attractive female depictions alienate females from a game.

 

Now if you were talking about true unashamed female objectification, then I'd agree that a female gamer (male as well) would probably take issue.