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[von uber]

The colours are a bit naff (although pink is used in camouflage.. but even so..), but the overall design is allright:

 

[goishen]

I don't know how you see that as pink.

 

That's obviously red.

 

Hopefully you're not on team white and gold, are you?

[KrrKs]

Colour coding and processing in the brain is complicated, but how do you see red there?

Spoiler

 

Edit: strange, the ME wiki version is way larger...

Anyway: White and decent pink are still way better than white and almost glowing yellow

-those were the colours of the soldier behind her in the distress call to the Normandy

[Matthias King]

At least Ashley's armor looked functional in ME1.  In fact I never had a complaint about her armor.  The armor she wears in ME3 (the blue armor, not the stupid miniskirt armor) was good, although it didn't look quite as 'sealed' as the ME1 armors did.  And it's essentially the same armor that Liara had available, so that's what she always wore in my game as well.

 

The white and red (it always looked red to me, not pink) was a little off-putting.  Definitely not a good tactical choice.  If they wanted to give her some unique armor (which at the point you meet her she's just a member of a combat unit so it makes no sense for her to have a unique color, but whatever) they could have at least chosen something that made some tactical sense and not something that would make her stand out like a sore thumb on the battlefield as an easy highlighted target for enemy fire.

 

Thankfully you can change her armor as soon as she joins you, and that at least makes sense because now she's on secondment under a Spectre's command, and their rules and regulations are much looser.  It's common even today for elite special forces units to have more leeway in their gear and weapon choice than the typical rank and file.  Even their hair.

 

I'm sure the white and red was to make her stand out when you first encounter her, but it was still a poor choice.  Aside from that, though, she had no unnecessary cleavage and her buttcheeks weren't hanging out, and she was actually wearing a hardsuit and a helmet.  I liked that.

 

In fact, when I played Mass Effect 1 for the first time and I first saw Ashley, the first thing that struck me was that she wasn't rocking the tired, tired, TIRED 'combat catsuit' that EVERY other movie, game, and TV show insists on employing.  My affection for Mass Effect instantly jumped up several points just off that.  I thought to myself, "finally, a game that isn't trying to force-feed sex with every female character, FINALLY."  I was happy about that, and Mass Effect quickly stood out in my mind as being better than the rest in that regard.

 

Then ME2 came along and undid all that.

 

But anyway, I digress.  The point is, I liked Ashley's armor with the exception of the terrible color choice.

[Display Name Owner]

To be fair Ashley's white & pink Phoenix armor in ME1 was equally bad. While it offers greater protection than Ashley's default outfit in ME3, it never made sense that she was wearing different armor from every other Alliance Marine on Eden Prime, or that it had two of the most untactical colors imaginable. She might as well have had a target painted on her chest that said, "Here I am...shoot me." Having said that...you can swap out it for something else. Thankfully she isn't stuck with Phoenix armor for the entire game.

 

Still, it's a bit confusing why she would be wearing that initially. I head canon that she was off duty when the Geth hit and was forced to arm and equip with whatever was at hand, which in her case was some gear scavenged from dead colonists.

 

Camouflage. Before Eden Prime, Ashley was deployed in the deadly Marshmallow Jungles of Sweetie Planet.

[goishen]

Colour coding and processing in the brain is complicated, but how do you see red there?

Spoiler

 

Edit: strange, the ME wiki version is way larger...

Anyway: White and decent pink are still way better than white and almost glowing yellow

-those were the colours of the soldier behind her in the distress call to the Normandy

 

 

The problem here is what color is reflecting off'a the red,  I think.  Here, it appears to be white which can give a pink like tone.  Look at the right side of the helmet.  It does, in fact, look pink- (ish?) there.  At the very best you could call it very very very dark pink.  Almost red.  However, look at the legs and shoulders.  Looks red, right?   That's because no light is shining off of the legs and shoulders.  Or rather, not much. 

 

Play around with the color settings in ME3 MP to see what I'm talking about.   I mean, you can have one color be yellow and the light shining off'a it be blue and it gives this weird mauve kind'a look.  I'll give the credit to ME1 shaders (I think that's the correct term?  I dunno.), they were geniuses.

 

EDIT :  Actually all three.   They were just whoah smart.

 

EDIT x 2 :  And it wasn't a @#$%ing miniskirt.  It was what I would call a skort.  Part skirt, part short.  Functional in both ways.

[Han Shot First]

I don't know how you see that as pink.

 

That's obviously red.

 

Hopefully you're not on team white and gold, are you?

 

It looks pink in ME1 and red in ME2. The lighting might play role in that though.

 

In either case though the armor never made much sense for Ashley in ME1. It differs from every other Marine, and bright colors are a bad choice for combat armor.

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

Noted.  I just wanted to make sure that my point was clear and not misconstrued.  I hate it when people think it's the sexuality itself that offends me, which it's most certainly not.

 

As for the realism of the Mass Effect series, I can suspend some disbelief.  I have no problem with that.  I think the main disconnect between a lot of the fans regarding this particular subject is that Mass Effect started out noticeably more realistic and mature than what it ultimately ended up being by ME3.

 

In fact, it was some of the those kinds of immature and cheap things that they chose NOT to do in Mass Effect 1 that made me fall in love with the game to begin with, then ME2 came along, and while great in a lot of ways, it also dragged the series down in a number of others.  One of which was pitching out their armor system and the realism they'd built there all just to have some boobies for 13-year-olds to gawk at, which doesn't offend my morals.  It offends my intelligence and my impression of what ME started out as, opposed to what it ended up as.

 

If any of that makes sense.

 

What gets me is how so many gamers cry for people to take games seriously and view it as an art form, which I do.  It's a young art form, but an art form nonetheless.  But then the second someone like me asks for the developers, such as Bioware, to elevate their game and aspire to something a little better, and rise above the lowest common denominator, those same people descend and all of a sudden have adopted the attitude of "relax dude, it's just a game, who cares?"

 

So which is it?  An art form, or some disposable thing not to be taken seriously?  I wish people would make up their minds.

 

Anyway, rant over.

 

Who are these people, and where are they? I mean other than insecure pseudo-intellectuals that care what other people think? I don't care what other people think about my hobby, I just play video games, because they're fun and are an escape from everyday life.

 

I don't care whether it's an "artform" or "some disposable thing", as I don't get caught up in labels. BTW, who gives a **** whether or not gaming is taken seriously by the masses? Considering the majority of people spend most their time watching reality shows nowadays, what gives them a right to judge gaming?

 

 I like the male and female uniforms from in ME2/ME3, (especially Ashley's design) because they add an overall flare and charm to the games. I will admit that the outfits are sexually appealing to me (and probably for a lot of women), but that doesn't take away from the character or personality of the females or males.

 

I take offense to such terms as "lowest common denominator", "manchild" , and being compared to a 13 year old horny teenager just for liking the outfits.

 

I am a 24 year old man, and are they plenty of people my age and above who enjoy the aesthetics. Plenty of females, as well. Why would so many of them cosplay if they didn't like the outfits?  

 

I am sick of SJWs hiding behind the "realism" argument to take away things people find appealing. I really hope Bioware doesn't listen to you people for the next Mass Effect.

[von uber]

Social justice warriors eh.
What exactly is one of those then? And why is striving for it a bad thing (which you are implying)?

[Tex]

[quote name="Ser Pounce A Lot_" post="18740878" timestamp="1425659372"]Who are these people that care what other people think? I don't care what other people think about my hobby, I just play video games, because they're fun and are an escape from life.

I like the male and female uniforms from in ME2/ME3, (especially Ashley's design) because they add an overall flare and charm to the games. I will admit that the outfits are sexually appealing to me (and probably for a lot of women), but that doesn't take away from the character or personality of the females or males.

I take offense to such terms as "lowest common denominator", "manchild" , and being compared to a 13 year old horny teenager just for liking the outfits.

I am a 24 year old man, and are they plenty of people my age and above who enjoy the aesthetics. Plenty of females, as well. Why would so many of them cosplay if they didn't like the outfits?

I Agee with everything you have stated here but then you had to throw that un needed comment at the end "sigh" there was no need for the insolts either.

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

Social justice warriors eh.
What exactly is one of those then? And why is striving for it a bad thing (which you are implying)?

 

TBH, I never should've put that in there. I got a little heated. Believe it or not I do think social justice is a good (great) thing. I support women/LGBT/minority rights.

 

Even Feminism, though I support parts of it, and I don't consider myself a feminist. It just seems to go overboard sometimes with making a mountain of a moehil, especially the tumblr ilk.

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

[quote name="Ser Pounce A Lot_" post="18740878" timestamp="1425659372"]Who are these people that care what other people think? I don't care what other people think about my hobby, I just play video games, because they're fun and are an escape from life.

I like the male and female uniforms from in ME2/ME3, (especially Ashley's design) because they add an overall flare and charm to the games. I will admit that the outfits are sexually appealing to me (and probably for a lot of women), but that doesn't take away from the character or personality of the females or males.

I take offense to such terms as "lowest common denominator", "manchild" , and being compared to a 13 year old horny teenager just for liking the outfits.

I am a 24 year old man, and are they plenty of people my age and above who enjoy the aesthetics. Plenty of females, as well. Why would so many of them cosplay if they didn't like the outfits?

I Agee with everything you have stated here but then you had to throw that un needed comment at the end "sigh" there was no need for the insolts either.

 

I agree, That was something I shouldn't have said.

[StealthGamer92]

@Ser Pounce A Lot_ I don't see many people saying get rid of sexually apealling atire, but rather they want it to be either optional or only in appropriat environments like on the ship and non-hostile hubs. Or am I missing something.

[dreamgazer]

I wonder if removing sexualized costumes would generate a response akin to Spielberg removing guns for walkie-talkies in E.T.

[Demonique]

I am a 24 year old man, and are they plenty of people my age and above who enjoy the aesthetics. Plenty of females, as well. Why would so many of them cosplay if they didn't like the outfits? 

 

Most people who cosplay as ME3 Ashley cosplay her in armour rather than the skank costume though

[von uber]

Sexy fun time has it's place:

 

 

Just not on the battlefield; nor as a default characterisation of a (usually) female character.

[Malak1001]

Sexy fun time has it's place:

 

Just not on the battlefield; nor as a default characterization of a (usually) female character.

 

Do you honestly think showing a bit of skin is equivalent to being nearly nude and ready for sex? Get out of here!  I find it ridiculous that showing some skin or wearing a cat suit is somehow the same as being near naked and ready for sex.

 

The more progressive a race becomes the less Victorian they tend to be about sex (unless you're Vulcan). Are today's women walking around in hot pants showing cleavage a problem? No, unless you're a middle aged man, so why does this seem silly in a possible future where everyone's more progressive?

 

Does wearing a cat suit on the battlefield make sense? No, but this is a non-fiction that includes shields! Shields go down? Duck and recharge, Armour gets damaged? Well you just repair it, ow wait.. so much for realism.

 

If you strip both Miranda (or whoever) of their shields and shoot them both at the same time, who's going to die first? Answer: both, armour get less useful after ME1, you can still die as fast as someone wearing only a cat suit. Before anyone mentions realism, it's not realistic to carry a mini nuke (stray shot, boom!) on your back or to shower in your underwear.

 

Mass Effect will only be realistic when the AI can shoot the "cain" on my back and blow us all up! If video games were meant to be realistic there would be no point in playing them, anyway feel free to rip my post to shreds or gloss over it (nothing against you von uber, just adding my 2 cents!)

 

Disclaimer: Don't take me too seriously.

[Larry-3]

I do not know asari anatomy, so I cannot comment on how they would react in space, or how their body developes. As far as humans go, the mission where you wear a mask takes place on a Collector vessel. It is probably pressurized, but lacks oxygen. If that is the case, then you would only need a mask for your nose and eyes. If they were actually floating in space, then I believe they would need a full suit.

[Vazgen]

I do not know asari anatomy, so I cannot comment on how they would react in space, or how their body developes. As far as humans go, the mission where you wear a mask takes place on a Collector vessel. It is probably pressurized, but lacks oxygen. If that is the case, then you would only need a mask for your nose and eyes. If they were actually floating in space, then I believe they would need a full suit.

What about Legion's or Tali's loyalty missions? Not to mention the Collector Base where everyone forgets to even wear masks  

[Demonique]

 Cleavage/hot girls is part of mass effect why would anyone want to change that ?

i dont get you people.  

 

Cleavage wasn't part of the female squadmates design in Mass Effect 1 though

[Demonique]

Samara, Jack, Miranda, and Ashley may have wore cleavage/tight fitting clothes but that isn't what they are defined by, its their character and its something that the writers have done a good job conveying. 

 

Except Ashley's character was butchered in ME3, she's a pale shadow of Chris L'Etoile's Ashley. The catsuit is out of character for her, she even states in ME3 that she 'wears armour into battle, not swim wear'

[Demonique]

God suggestion. Get rid of Chobot and give us Emily Wong for christ sake. We all know she was supposed to be in the game instead of Allers to begin with but Allers licked someone's... PSP at Bioware and got into the game. What a bosh'tet.

 

Even Khalisah Al-Jilani would have been a better choice than Allers. I've seen a fanfic where Shepard invites her onboard the ship after the run-in in the Presidium, she doesn't feature much but the fic writer does a much better job with her than BW did with Allers

[dreamgazer]

Even Khalisah Al-Jilani would have been a better choice than Allers.

 

Agreed.  I think it was Han Shot First up there who once associated bringing al-Jilani on-board with a mini-redemption plot line. I would have enjoyed that.

 

That said, if Emily Wong was an option, I'm not sure I'd ever get the chance to see that. 

[AsheraII]

@Ser Pounce A Lot_ I don't see many people saying get rid of sexually apealling atire, but rather they want it to be either optional or only in appropriat environments like on the ship and non-hostile hubs. Or am I missing something.

Those are two drastically different options. One is "optional", the other is "non-optional".

Ashley in armor or wearing her skort? We DID get to choose her outfit on away missions, so I really don't see the problem.

Got an immersion problem? Go for the armor.

Got enough imagination to justify the skort? Well, pick the skort if you like.

So I really don't see the point of this whole thread, other than as an attempt to ruin OTHER PEOPLES joy playing Mass Effect games.

Choice good.

No choice bad.

 

And I'm sure Bioware can look up what outfits people actually picked in their metrics.

[Han Shot First]

Those are two drastically different options. One is "optional", the other is "non-optional".

Ashley in armor or wearing her skort? We DID get to choose her outfit on away missions, so I really don't see the problem.

Got an immersion problem? Go for the armor.

Got enough imagination to justify the skort? Well, pick the skort if you like.

So I really don't see the point of this whole thread, other than as an attempt to ruin OTHER PEOPLES joy playing Mass Effect games.

Choice good.

No choice bad.

 

And I'm sure Bioware can look up what outfits people actually picked in their metrics.

 

The issue I had with Ashley's default uniform in ME3 was that it was her default. It's what she also wears on the ship or on the Citadel. The problem, besides being obviously sexed up, is that it is a military uniform that differs from that worn by every other Alliance character we see in the game. It is the opposite of the definition of the word uniform.

 

Instead her default outfit for the Normandy and the Citadel should have been camo utilities similar to what Traynor or Cortez wore, or one of the dress uniforms like we see Hackett wearing. 

 

That isn't to say that they couldn't have Ashley wearing something more revealing or sexy while on the Citadel...just that it should have been civilian clothing rather than some sexed up version of an Alliance uniform that no one else wears.