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[Pasquale1234]

Which I think totally detracks the armour design. ME1 had realistic and believable armour design, as it was practically a BioSuit with add-on armour. ME2 tried to uphold it (and ultimately failed), and ME3 threw almost all credibility out of the window.

Conceptually, I like the idea of a jumpsuit / biosuit with interchangeable armor pieces attached. The under-armor fabric appeared to be some heavy weave, sort of like a high-tech version of chainmail. My only issues with the ME2&3 N7 armor were that:
1) It didn't feel like it went quite high enough on the neck to get a good seal with the helmet.
2) The design team seems to have a thing about tucking clothing between the wearer's buttocks. I really hope that goes away.

I'd also really like to be able to change colors / patterns on squaddies' armors, for instant recognition on the battlefield. Put Garrus in his blue armor on a battlefield with a bunch of Turian Blue Suns, and it can get a little difficult to figure out who to shoot at.

[NM_Che56]

Did I notice male bulges...? No, because while I accept the fact that I live in a world with varying sexual predilections, my interests do not draw my eyes below the waist of humanoids that phenotypically show traits associated with an XY chromosomes

[Matthias King]

- Cleavage/impractical suits - Samara, Miranda, (teacher) Jack, to a lesser extent Benezia.

- Suicidal breather masks - going into a vacuum without anything to cover your eyes, ears, butt and/or other bodily openings will get you killed.

- Armour not being "armoury" - we all understand that a game needs to have a unique feeling, but spandex, latex or leather, these things do not protect against bullets, fire, ice. 

I agree 100% with all of this.  I enjoyed ME2 very much, but these types of changes drove me crazy.  I hated that part of the game.  They were very lowest-common-denominator and I hated it.  If Miranda wants to wear her skintight bodysuit uniform on board the Normandy or on her shore leave or whatever, that's up to her, but on a mission there's absolutely no excuse for not wearing a hardsuit.  In fact, it's plain irresponsible.  The same goes for Jacob, and what's even worse about him is that he was in the Alliance.  Of all the people who should appreciate the need and benefit of a hardsuit, it would be him.  And don't even get me started on Jack fighting in harsh conditions of somewhere like Tuchanka or the Derelict Reaper while wearing nothing but a pair of suspenders.

 

And there's a particularly glaring logistical problem with not wearing a hardsuit as well: where do the power cells for things like their shields go?  I know the cells have to be portable, but they have to take up at least some kind of space.  Let's assume they're fairly small and say they're roughly the size of something like a portable desktop external hard drive or something similar.  It's not that big and doesn't take up that much space, but it still has to go somewhere, and it's too big to simply go in a hip pocket.  In the hardsuit, it's integrated into the design and wired for easy replacement, and its location on the suit is presumably in a place where it won't be in the way and where the weight of it won't throw off the wearer's balance.  And then there are additional power cells to provide power to other possible suit functions, like life-support functions, and if they happen to have any kind of servo-assist or things like that.  Completely sidestepping the fact that forgoing a hardsuit means forgoing the ballistic protection and life-support they provide, and any strength-augmenting servo assist they may also provide, but you have no place to store anything, including the power cells for the shields that you absolutely can't survive without.

 

And the breather thing is just dumb, no two ways about it.

 

Everyone in ME1 wore a hardsuit, and they did so for a number of very good and inescapably practical reasons.  Taking that away after ME2 was a mistake in my eyes.  The fact that they didn't do this kind of stuff in ME1 is one of the many things that made me like it so much.  They wisely avoided the stupid 'impractical combat catsuit' cliché and I loved that.  Then ME2 came along and they completely undid all that.

 

Then there's Liara apparently getting breast augmentation surgery at some point in the two years Shepard was dead.

[Drone223]

^Add to that it was even worse when breather mask were worn on planets with hazardous environments. Breather masks aren't going to be useful if the atmosphere is corrosive.

[Bizantura]

Why bother?  If it is not ingame consciously it will be put in unconsciously.  I find the unconsciously put in worse.  Sexuality is a part of being human nothing to be afraid of.

[Matthias King]

Why bother?  If it is not ingame consciously it will be put in unconsciously.  I find the unconsciously put in worse.  Sexuality is a part of being human nothing to be afraid of.

 

It has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality or being afraid of it.  You've entirely missed the point.

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

You know I don't hear people complain nearly as loud about Jacob's skintight outfit, or Thane's trenchcoat with his chest out, or Grunt and Zaaed's arm(s) being exposed in vacuums and inhospitable planets.

 

EVERYTIME this subject comes out it's almost always about the females and how they're dressed. It seems to me that the "oversexualization" of the female characters are the biggest problem, and people are hiding behind the "impracticality" argument.

 

On that note I can give two shits. I love the outfits, and I won't apologize for it. Whether that makes me "part of the lowest common denominator", a loser, (and my personal favorite), a manchild.

 

Miranda's, Samara's, (with her tasty cleavage ) Ashley's sexy ME3 redesign. It added an overall flare and charm to the trilogy for me, how ever "impractical" they were. It didn't take away from their character and what strong women they were.

 

The trilogy would've been boring if they trotted every squad member out with the same bland armor everyone wore in ME1. Needless to say, I hope the next game features similar aesthetics. 

[Matthias King]

I don't know if you missed it, but Jacob was one of the first people I mentioned.  And I think that one of the main reasons why people point to the females before everyone else is because Miranda was a particularly glaring example of it, as was Jack.

[laudable11]

You know I don't hear people complain nearly as loud about Jacob's skintight outfit, or Thane's trenchcoat with his chest out, or Grunt and Zaaed's arm(s) being exposed in vacuums and inhospitable planets.
 
EVERYTIME this subject comes out it's almost always about the females and how they're dressed. It seems to me that the "oversexualization" of the female characters are the biggest problem, and people are hiding behind the "impracticality" argument.
 
On that note I can give two shits. I love the outfits, and I won't apologize for it. Whether that makes me "part of the lowest common denominator", a loser, (and my personal favorite), a manchild.
 
Miranda's, Samara's, (with her tasty cleavage ) Ashley's sexy ME3 redesign. It added an overall flare and charm to the trilogy for me, how ever "impractical" they were. It didn't take away from their character and what strong women they were.
 
The trilogy would've been boring if they trotted every squad member out with the same bland armor everyone wore in ME1. Needless to say, I hope the next game features similar aesthetics.

I have nothing to add. Well said.

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

Also, the above post wasn't aimed at the people that just want more practicality with armor, male AND female. Even though that doesn't really bother me in game, I can see where they're coming from with their complaints.

 

The people that irk me are the types that only focuses on what the females are wearing and claim that Bioware are pandering to the lowest common denominator, teenagers, and manchildren with their outfits.

 

Also claiming that anyone who like the lovely (if I may say so myself) outfits are losers with bad taste. That is very offensive to me, and I will fight with anyone who argues that sentiment tooth and nail.

[Display Name Owner]

My take on this...

 

I like a bit of sexy stuff, I enjoyed looking at some of the sexy characters - I'm not made of stone lol. But one thing I really liked about ME1 was that it made itself feel somewhat realistic in ways. Yes, there were Asari strippers and Benezia's outfit, but I loved the detail it went into in explaining the armour and weapons and what have you. It felt nice and grounded, which I found cool. So yes, I like some sexiness, I don't have problems with Miranda's outift and it's cool that male characters get a bit of the same treatment. Equality and all that. But I also liked ME's touch of details that made it feel more real. So when it comes to suiting up for missions, I'd like every character to go in looking like they realistically should.

 

It wasn't even a massive issue for me in most cases, Jack being one notable exception, but it's something I noticed. ME always went so far as to draw attention to the physics, no need to ditch it for a bit of skin, as much as I do like a bit of skin (I only feel the need to keep reiterating that because people seem to think the issue is a fear of sexuality).

 

Also, EDI's design was a stretch too far.

Anyway, it does seem like ME:Next's approach is going that way for the main character at least. Seems to be a biosuit that you can attach armour to, which is a nice idea.

[Andrew Lucas]

You know I don't hear people complain nearly as loud about Jacob's skintight outfit, or Thane's trenchcoat with his chest out, or Grunt and Zaaed's arm(s) being exposed in vacuums and inhospitable planets.
 
EVERYTIME this subject comes out it's almost always about the females and how they're dressed. It seems to me that the "oversexualization" of the female characters are the biggest problem, and people are hiding behind the "impracticality" argument.
 
On that note I can give two shits. I love the outfits, and I won't apologize for it. Whether that makes me "part of the lowest common denominator", a loser, (and my personal favorite), a manchild.
 
Miranda's, Samara's, (with her tasty cleavage ) Ashley's sexy ME3 redesign. It added an overall flare and charm to the trilogy for me, how ever "impractical" they were. It didn't take away from their character and what strong women they were.
 
The trilogy would've been boring if they trotted every squad member out with the same bland armor everyone wore in ME1. Needless to say, I hope the next game features similar aesthetics.

You're goddamn right.

[DanishViking]

why are some people against hot girls ? i do not get it

the world is full of them why shouldent they be in the mass effect universe?

[Matthias King]

To make it perfectly clear, they aren't against hot girls.  I'm certainly not. 

 

What they're against is the impracticality and ridiculousness of having them engage in combat while half-naked and wearing no armor or environmental protection when they would clearly need it, all for the sake of shoehorning T&A (or beefcake) in where it doesn't belong.  Especially given that ME1 didn't need to resort to that in order to be a great game.

 

Forcing that cheap T&A into the game came at the expense of things like believability and immersion.

[Drone223]

To make it perfectly clear, they aren't against hot girls. I'm certainly not.

What they're against is the impracticality and ridiculousness of having them engage in combat while half-naked and wearing no armor or environmental protection when they would clearly need it, all for the sake of shoehorning T&A (or beefcake) in where it doesn't belong. Especially given that ME1 didn't need to resort to that in order to be a great game.

Forcing that cheap T&A into the game came at the expense of things like believability and immersion.

Pretty much this. We don't mind characters wearing what they want while onboard the Normandy but in a firefight or hazardous environments high heels, breather masks, skin tight cat suits etc. are a no no. Characters in those situation should wear full body armor.

[Mcfly616]

Funny how everyone is In favor of a galaxy full of space strippers.

[Xerxes52]

Conceptually, I like the idea of a jumpsuit / biosuit with interchangeable armor pieces attached. The under-armor fabric appeared to be some heavy weave, sort of like a high-tech version of chainmail. My only issues with the ME2&3 N7 armor were that:
1) It didn't feel like it went quite high enough on the neck to get a good seal with the helmet.
2) The design team seems to have a thing about tucking clothing between the wearer's buttocks. I really hope that goes away.

I'd also really like to be able to change colors / patterns on squaddies' armors, for instant recognition on the battlefield. Put Garrus in his blue armor on a battlefield with a bunch of Turian Blue Suns, and it can get a little difficult to figure out who to shoot at.

 

 

1. Agreed. The neck seal could be higher up for me (to use an example: on Spartan IVs in Halo 4 their neck seal goes all the way up to the jawline).

 

2. Noticed this as well, I don't say I dislike it on the ladies, but I will say it would probably be very uncomfortable to have a wad of battlesuit up there.

 

I would really like it if NME adopted a "silhouette" design philosophy with companion armor, where it's their body/armor shape that makes them unique. Heard they did that for L4D from their dev commentary, great idea imo. I'd like to having matching team colors again.

[wright1978]

No don't think they should waste their time making superficial changes to aspects of prior games.
I completely understand from a visual perspective they introduced breather masks and don't mind suspending disbelief here.
As for outfits, iconic looks are fine in my book.

[Hans Olo]

...because I didn't encounter them.  Probably because I didn't have any reason to because of context.  That's the main issue: context.  What does seeing Samara's seemingly enhanced breasts in COMBAT have to do with anything?  Why do I see the outline of Miranda's labia in her COMBAT suit?  Why does Liara's COMBAT armor have to accentuate the curvature in her breasts?

 

"Grow up"...being grown up also means not having to have sexuality thrown in your face at every single turn for no apparent reason like I'm some sex starved 15 year old trying to unscramble the Playboy channel.  Context.  Taste. It matters.

 

Maturity is more than just being able to "see" sexual content meet the ESRBs suggested age range.  It's also about knowing when it serves a story that is supposed to be taken seriously, unlike a game such as Bayonetta 2, which makes no pretense otherwise.

 

My name is Hans Olo and I approve of this message.

[Hans Olo]

Funny how everyone is In favor of a galaxy full of space strippers.

 

Not I....

 

...not...I....

 

[Han Shot First]

To make it perfectly clear, they aren't against hot girls.  I'm certainly not. 

 

What they're against is the impracticality and ridiculousness of having them engage in combat while half-naked and wearing no armor or environmental protection when they would clearly need it, all for the sake of shoehorning T&A (or beefcake) in where it doesn't belong.  Especially given that ME1 didn't need to resort to that in order to be a great game.

 

Forcing that cheap T&A into the game came at the expense of things like believability and immersion.

 

Well said.

 

As far as combat goes, this...

 

 

...is better than this:

 

 

 

And I'd argue the first doesn't totally ditch sex appeal while managing to look practical.

[Matthias King]

That black outfit is what Miranda always wore in my game.  Like you said, it manages to look practical, unlike her catsuit.  There's still the breather mask issue, but it at least helped.

[Hans Olo]

It has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality or being afraid of it.  You've entirely missed the point.

 

Yeah, there seems to be a lot of that "missing the point" going on. I do not know if it is intentionally being clueless or actually being clueless.

[Hans Olo]

That black outfit is what Miranda always wore in my game.  Like you said, it manages to look practical, unlike her catsuit.  There's still the breather mask issue, but it at least helped.

 

I never liked Miranda and did everything in my power to get her killed, there is only one way and it has to happen at one point during the suicide mission, she should not be loyal.

 

Felt good not seeing that tight ass on my next ME3 playthrough, Oriana be damned!

 

*edit* 

 

To be clear, this actually had nothing to do with her dress sense, I just can not stand that woman, she has a personality worse than Ashley. The butt-hugging outfit only adds to my annoyance.

[Hans Olo]

You're goddamn right.

 

No, he is not.

 

Have you not read this thread? It would appear you have not, why would you say something like that when you do not know what you are basing it on?