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In case the ME trilogy comes to Xbox One and PS4, get rid of unnecessary cleavage and other impracticalities?


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How can you miss Zaaed's uncovered arm, Thane's bare chest and neck, and Jacob's skintight outfit? Although there are no camera panning and up close shots, it's still there.

Did you read some of the earlier post? No one is ignoring how some of the male characters still lack of a full set of armor and breather masks, but as said before the issue's are more noticeable with the female characters.


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Did you read some of the earlier post? No one is ignoring how some of the male characters still lack of a full set of armor and breather masks, but as said before the issue's are more noticeable with the female characters.

 

Exactly.  I pointed out that Jacob's suit was just as impractical as Miranda's, it's just that a lot more attention is called to characters like her and Jack, along with Samara's cleavage (really, who designs legitimate armor with a plunging neckline?) and later, EDI's cameltoe suit.

 

Jacob's catsuit, Thane's shirtless 'ballistic trench coat' are just as ridiculous, they just don't have the added tackiness of gratuitous butt shots and in-your-face cleavage, or inexplicably wearing suspenders as a shirt.


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Quite the contrary ^_^

My problem with something like Miranda's white catsuit, especially if worn everywhere, is not that it looks sexy, but that it looks cheap...which hurts her image as a competent operative.

 

Jacob and Thane have similar "cheap" outfits on, what about their competence? Or is this just Miranda's well endowed boobs and ass (that her outfit is showing off) that's causing you to feel that way? 


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Exactly.  I pointed out that Jacob's suit was just as impractical as Miranda's, it's just that a lot more attention is called to characters like her and Jack, along with Samara's cleavage (really, who designs legitimate armor with a plunging neckline?) and later, EDI's cameltoe suit.

 

Jacob's catsuit, Thane's shirtless 'ballistic trench coat' are just as ridiculous, they just don't have the added tackiness of gratuitous butt shots and in-your-face cleavage, or inexplicably wearing suspenders as a shirt.

 

Fine, guess I'll just drop the argument since it seems like we're going in circles. I just wish there were shots of Jacob or Thane's ass and chests so we'd get less complaints. (or just took out the camera panning all together) 



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Jacob did in fact have an ass shot.

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Jesus, you really care that much? I like Samara's design, and not just because I can see her ******. There's nothing wrong with it, it doesn't need to be changed. Neither does Benezia's and Jack's outfit DEFINITELY doesn't need to be changed as it reflects her personality.


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Jesus, you really care that much? I like Samara's design, and not just because I can see her ******. There's nothing wrong with it, it doesn't need to be changed. Neither does Benezia's and Jack's outfit DEFINITELY doesn't need to be changed as it reflects her personality.

They can wear whatever they want on the ship. On the mission they better wear some protection, both environmental and physical.

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They can wear whatever they want on the ship. On the mission they better wear some protection, both environmental and physical.

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They end up looking boring then. They all have barriers/shields to stop bullets anyway - that's what really offers protection. A bullet fired from any gun in the MEU will tear through any material, including armour - it really doesn't offer that much protection. If your shields go down and you're not in cover you're pretty much dead no matter what you're wearing.


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You guys should really read the art of mass effect and you can see why Samara looks the way she looks, the breather masks, Jacob's cat suit 



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A lot of it is out of the Michael Bay school of filming, like this nice panning on Samara when she is first introduced:

 

 

i can't be arsed going through them, but it is very noticeable - but then Michael Bay makes a metric fuckton of money out of his films, so what do i know.

True, but nobody goes to see his movies for the quality of his work, they go to his movies to see the quality of the work of the special effects guys.

 

Michael Bay has never made a good movie, rather he has told other guys to make nice looking booms on his giant boom-boom.

 

And that appears to be the the direction we are going...



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You guys should really read the art of mass effect and you can see why Samara looks the way she looks, the breather masks, Jacob's cat suit 

just because someone designed and/or drew it does not make it appropriate or ok, just look at your display picture.


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He is.

Just deal with it. You don't need to agree with him.

 

Still have not read the thread I see.

 

Fair enough.


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How can you miss Zaaed's uncovered arm, Thane's bare chest and neck, and Jacob's skintight outfit? Although there are no camera panning and up close shots, it's still there.

You answered your own question right there.

 

And I did say I did not like the breather masks, that the spandex (which was used exclusively for Jacob in the previous thread I believe) looked silly.

 

They are still there, you are right. In the case of Zaeed they went with "badass before practical" and in the case of Miranda they ditched the "bad" part.


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Jesus, you really care that much? I like Samara's design, and not just because I can see her ******. There's nothing wrong with it, it doesn't need to be changed. Neither does Benezia's and Jack's outfit DEFINITELY doesn't need to be changed as it reflects her personality.

Considering ME1's manner of equipping everyone with sealed armor, if Benezia was taking a stroll on the moon, she probably wouldn't be wearing that outfit she was wearing in the Peak 15 lab. In any case, I find the personality argument to be rather weak. Their personalities are inadequate against hazardous environments, as are their shielding.


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They end up looking boring then. They all have barriers/shields to stop bullets anyway - that's what really offers protection. A bullet fired from any gun in the MEU will tear through any material, including armour - it really doesn't offer that much protection. If your shields go down and you're not in cover you're pretty much dead no matter what you're wearing.

Read up codex on Armor/Equipment. The armor itself won't protect you for long, true. But even a brief protection is better than none.
One of the most important additions to combat hardsuits is medi-gel application to the wound, done by a suit's VI. Outfits of Jack, Samara, Thane, Zaeed won't be able to apply it to exposed areas. Jack arguably gets the worst of it.
Regarding boring look, do you really need to see someone's as and/or ****** in combat for the game not to be boring?
I like the design of most ME2 outfits but I think that they would be suited to off-duty rather than combat sequences. And armor can preserve character's uniqueness. Look at Miranda's outfit from Alternate Appearance pack, Ashley's combat armor in ME3.
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Read up codex on Armor/Equipment. The armor itself won't protect you for long, true. But even a brief protection is better than none.
One of the most important additions to combat hardsuits is medi-gel application to the wound, done by a suit's VI. Outfits of Jack, Samara, Thane, Zaeed won't be able to apply it to exposed areas. Jack arguably gets the worst of it.
Regarding boring look, do you really need to see someone's as and/or ****** in combat for the game not to be boring?
I like the design of most ME2 outfits but I think that they would be suited to off-duty rather than combat sequences. And armor can preserve character's uniqueness. Look at Miranda's outfit from Alternate Appearance pack, Ashley's combat armor in ME3.

Medi gel isn't restricted to just areas of the hard suit, we've seen Shepard using it on civilians throughout the game, so if it can work on   plain cloth Wilson or a dying Batarian/Salarian there's nothing stopping it from working on Jack and the others.

 

 

 I'm pretty sure he didn't say looking at ass (you do know that some people that like the squaddies outfits can also hate the weird camera angles right?), he said it be boring which he's not wrong I prefer a unique look that's pleasing to the eye over a cumbersome bland one for the sake of practicality, its not a simulator it doesn't have to be grounded in reality so it has to be believable, Kaiden wearing a heavy armor didn't survive longer than Ashley.



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just because someone designed and/or drew it does not make it appropriate or ok, just look at your display picture.

But it would ruin a part of the Character. So to me that makes it okay 



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Medi gel isn't restricted to just areas of the hard suit, we've seen Shepard using it on civilians throughout the game, so if it can work on   plain cloth Wilson or a dying Batarian/Salarian there's nothing stopping it from working on Jack and the others.

 

 I'm pretty sure he didn't say looking at ass (you do know that some people that like the squaddies outfits can also hate the weird camera angles right?), he said it be boring which he's not wrong I prefer a unique look that's pleasing to the eye over a cumbersome bland one for the sake of practicality, its not a simulator it doesn't have to be grounded in reality so it has to be believable, Kaiden wearing a heavy armor didn't survive longer than Ashley.

I'm talking about automatic application. This (taken from codex)

The last level of protection is provided by the suit's microframe computers, whose input detectors are woven throughout the fabric. These manage the self-healing system, which finds rents in the fabric and, assuming any such tear would wound the flesh underneath, seals the area off with sterile, non-conductive medi-gel. This stanches minor wounds and plugs holes in the suit that could prove fatal in vacuum or toxic environments. Soldiers are not always fond of the "squish skin" that oozes gel on them at a moment's notice, but fatalities have dropped sharply since the system was implemented.

I also fail to see how Miranda's alternate outfit makes the game more boring. I never suggested using unisex hard armor (which will be the most realistic). I support unique outfit design for squadmates but I'm also against the usage of impractical outfits in combat situations. Like I said, if they wore those outfits on the ship and had unique yet protective outfits in combat I would never say anything about it.


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O lordy!. Spare me from da' cleavages!

 

OP I think you do have a problem with this sh*t.  


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I'm talking about automatic application. This (taken from codex)

The last level of protection is provided by the suit's microframe computers, whose input detectors are woven throughout the fabric. These manage the self-healing system, which finds rents in the fabric and, assuming any such tear would wound the flesh underneath, seals the area off with sterile, non-conductive medi-gel. This stanches minor wounds and plugs holes in the suit that could prove fatal in vacuum or toxic environments. Soldiers are not always fond of the "squish skin" that oozes gel on them at a moment's notice, but fatalities have dropped sharply since the system was implemented.

I also fail to see how Miranda's alternate outfit makes the game more boring. I never suggested using unisex hard armor (which will be the most realistic). I support unique outfit design for squadmates but I'm also against the usage of impractical outfits in combat situations. Like I said, if they wore those outfits on the ship and had unique yet protective outfits in combat I would never say anything about it.

Oh I don't mean Miranda's hardsuit I like that but its just not available to everyone without purchaseand the sentry interface is always on.



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But it would ruin a part of the Character. So to me that makes it okay


Which part of her character exactly?
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Considering ME1's manner of equipping everyone with sealed armor, if Benezia was taking a stroll on the moon, she probably wouldn't be wearing that outfit she was wearing in the Peak 15 lab. In any case, I find the personality argument to be rather weak. Their personalities are inadequate against hazardous environments, as are their shielding.

 

Also there is no reason why squadmates can't be equipped with armor that looks practical and also reflects their individual personalities. It's not necessarily an either/or thing.


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Oh I don't mean Miranda's hardsuit I like that but its just not available to everyone without purchase and the sentry interface is always on.

Yeah, it's a DLC outfit which is a shame. And yes, the always-on visor sucks :D 

Personally I would've liked if squadmates had at least one outfit for off-duty and another one for combat. Like, for example, in ME1 and Dragon Age Inquisition.


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Yeah, it's a DLC outfit which is a shame. And yes, the always-on visor sucks :D

Personally I would've liked if squadmates had at least one outfit for off-duty and another one for combat. Like, for example, in ME1 and Dragon Age Inquisition.

Yes that would be the Indeed situation like this:

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But then it seems Bioware definitely had limited resources to work with.

-ME2 Alternate armors were just recolors

-Alot of things were cut from ME2 that was present in the previous games

-Shepard had like 3 Vanilla Armor set everything else was DLC

 -Most of which was just added to ME3

 -Which in turn also became MP characters.


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Also there is no reason why squadmates can't be equipped with armor that looks practical and also reflects their individual personalities. It's not necessarily an either/or thing.

 

Pretty much. I can see Jack wearing armor that she personalized herself. Sort of like Tank Girl, but in space. Of course, sans crap sticking out everywhere, but you get the idea.

 

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Yes that would be the Indeed situation like this:

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But then it seems Bioware definitely had limited resources to work with.

-ME2 Alternate armors were just recolors

-Alot of things were cut from ME2 that was present in the previous games

-Shepard had like 3 Vanilla Armor set everything else was DLC

 -Most of which was just added to ME3

 -Which in turn also became MP characters.

 

Something like this would have been great, and it's anything but boring.


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