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[AresKeith]

Yes, you need the noble perk and spare her, she become more or less loyal.

 

But it's fun judging the Box

[Master Warder Z_]

But it's fun judging the Box

Josie sounds like she's going to vomit.

[Xilizhra]

So, what do people think that Calpernia's fate is if you play In Hushed Whispers? Originally, I wondered if she might have just been handwaved out of existence, but there's a note in/near the Still Ruins that mentions Calpernia even if you sided with the mages, so it seems that she's still present. She could well be leading the Venatori and just staying out of sight, with Samson having been chosen as the Vessel... but if that's the case, what would happen to her after Corypheus' defeat?

[Master Warder Z_]

She likely died in the Arbor wilds during the battle along with the red Templars and Venatori.

Assuming Cory didn't off her for being a failure.

[Ieldra]

So, what do people think that Calpernia's fate is if you play In Hushed Whispers? Originally, I wondered if she might have just been handwaved out of existence, but there's a note in/near the Still Ruins that mentions Calpernia even if you sided with the mages, so it seems that she's still present. She could well be leading the Venatori and just staying out of sight, with Samson having been chosen as the Vessel... but if that's the case, what would happen to her after Corypheus' defeat?

The most plausible answer IMO: she exists somewhere, but has never risen to prominence since the Venatori lost too much power in the aftermath of In Hushed Whispers. it's possible she still commands them - at least there is no reason why we would assume otherwise - but her fate after Corypheus defeat is unknown.

[Ieldra]

Do you really have to ask? She knowingly helped Corypheus campaign of carnage and could only be swayed by being told that Cory didn't care about her. I don't understand why so many people seem to trust Cory though. I mean, he couldn't take a crap without making a speech about his megalomania.

There is only so much you can handwave for last minute redemption.

A character doesn't need to be "redeemed" in order for me to like her. As for what she's done, remember that while she was a slave and opposes slavery, she is nonetheless an advocate for the power of Tevinter. it's quite likely she sees most of southern Thedas as a legitimate enemy, and who says she isn't right about that given the prevailing attitude in the south.

 

So what *did* she do? Well, she helped start a war of aggression and expansion - that's what it ultimately is about for her. Doing that, it's rather natural she's not overly considerate of the lives of the people on the other side. That's certainly not nice, but also not worse than what, say, Kordillus Drakon did. She's also Erimond's boss, so it's likely she doesn't have a problem with blood sacrifice as long as the victims are legitimate enemies. That's *really* not nice. So yeah, not letting her go is a perfectly justifiable decision. On the other hand, consider the difference between Calpernia and Erimond. Imagine people like her ruling Tevinter, compared with people like him. I'd say there is a rather significant difference - namely, the difference between an Evil Empire and a regular culture with dark aspects like most others.

[Fredward]

Calpernia sounds much, much more interesting than Samson but I really like the Redcliffe storyline. #gamerproblems

 

Also I have trouble with the idea of siding with the templars for most of my playthroughs. My characters tend to not swing that way. I think that I'm gonna have to wait till I do a dwarf run. A former lyrium smuggler will have a vested interest in keeping the templars around.

[Ieldra]

Calpernia sounds much, much more interesting than Samson but I really like the Redcliffe storyline. #gamerproblems

 

Also I have trouble with the idea of siding with the templars for most of my playthroughs. My characters tend to not swing that way. I think that I'm gonna have to wait till I do a dwarf run. A former lyrium smuggler will have a vested interest in keeping the templars around.

I can sympathize, for I have exactly the same problem. If I ally with the Templars, I continuously need to fight the desire to disown that playthrough and start over with the "right" decision. And - what can I say - my first templar playthrough was with a dwarf rogue. I'm on my second and possibly last one with an elf rogue. I had trouble justifying the templar decision, but I can connect better with a Dalish.

[Herr Uhl]

A character doesn't need to be "redeemed" in order for me to like her. As for what she's done, remember that while she was a slave and opposes slavery, she is nonetheless an advocate for the power of Tevinter. it's quite likely she sees most of southern Thedas as a legitimate enemy, and who says she isn't right about that given the prevailing attitude in the south.
 
So what *did* she do? Well, she helped start a war of aggression and expansion - that's what it ultimately is about for her. Doing that, it's rather natural she's not overly considerate of the lives of the people on the other side. That's certainly not nice, but also not worse than what, say, Kordillus Drakon did. She's also Erimond's boss, so it's likely she doesn't have a problem with blood sacrifice as long as the victims are legitimate enemies. That's *really* not nice. So yeah, not letting her go is a perfectly justifiable decision. On the other hand, consider the difference between Calpernia and Erimond. Imagine people like her ruling Tevinter, compared with people like him. I'd say there is a rather significant difference - namely, the difference between an Evil Empire and a regular culture with dark aspects like most others.

She also tried to poison wells in a major city and pinning it on the elves in hope for insurrection. So much for "legitimate targets". She also oversees a plan to feed the slaves of Tevinter red lyrium in order to make them a fighting force and is also overseeing the enslavement of warden mages to her master so her anti slavery stance is shaky at best.

I like Calpernia, but she isn't some kind of unknowing waif that was misled by the big bad Corypheus. I respect her character more than that.

[Ieldra]

I like Calpernia, but she isn't some kind of unknowing waif that was misled by the big bad Corypheus. I respect her character more than that.

When did anyone ever say that? She was clearly aware of what was going on and what she was doing. I didn't know about that red lyrium thing though. That appears almost out of character given how she reacts to mistreatment of slaves. Where do we get that information?

[MisterJB]

Imagine people like her ruling Tevinter, compared with people like him. I'd say there is a rather significant difference - namely, the difference between an Evil Empire and a regular culture with dark aspects like most others.

It seems largely the same to me but mostly because we lack info about how Erimond views the different classes of Tevinter's people.

It seem highly unlikely he is the type to free slaves but, as far as attitude towards the rest of the world goes, Erimond and Calpernia are similar.
"We should rule all of you."

[MisterJB]

When did anyone ever say that? She was clearly aware of what was going on and what she was doing. I didn't know about that red lyrium thing though. That appears almost out of character given how she reacts to mistreatment of slaves. Where do we get that information?

Iron Bull's quest. The Venatori are trying to have a shipment of Red Lyrium reach Minrathous, presumably to be used in the war against the qunari.

A worthy goal if so; I wouldn't even be against restricted use of Red Lyrium if it means stopping the qunari; but Calpernia had to be aware no Magister would abstain from grabbing some old elf slave and turning it into a killing machine and that it is more than likely Magisters, if given access to Red Lyrium, will soon be using it against one another rather than the common enemy.

[Uccio]

It is just a fools hope to think that Calpernia could have any shot at having any position in the Imperium. Do people honestly think Magisterium would bend knee to her? Ridiculous. An ex slave serving a blight monster. She was just a tool for the Corypheus, and now she has waned off into history as a misguided simpleton.

[Ieldra]

It seems largely the same to me but mostly because we lack info about how Erimond views the different classes of Tevinter's people.

It seem highly unlikely he is the type to free slaves but, as far as attitude towards the rest of the world goes, Erimond and Calpernia are similar.
"We should rule all of you."

I don't get that from her. At least, not more than from anyone else on Thedas who acts in support of their own culture's status as a superpower. The Orlesians, the Qunari, and the Chantry, they all want the world in some way. To some degree, it's even natural. The main difference always lies in the number of corpses you're prepared to walk over in order to reach your goal, and if you have unreasonable standards of your own worthiness which may result in plunging the world into a war you can't win in the end.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

A character doesn't need to be "redeemed" in order for me to like her. As for what she's done, remember that while she was a slave and opposes slavery, she is nonetheless an advocate for the power of Tevinter. it's quite likely she sees most of southern Thedas as a legitimate enemy, and who says she isn't right about that given the prevailing attitude in the south.

 

So what *did* she do? Well, she helped start a war of aggression and expansion - that's what it ultimately is about for her. Doing that, it's rather natural she's not overly considerate of the lives of the people on the other side. That's certainly not nice, but also not worse than what, say, Kordillus Drakon did. She's also Erimond's boss, so it's likely she doesn't have a problem with blood sacrifice as long as the victims are legitimate enemies. That's *really* not nice. So yeah, not letting her go is a perfectly justifiable decision. On the other hand, consider the difference between Calpernia and Erimond. Imagine people like her ruling Tevinter, compared with people like him. I'd say there is a rather significant difference - namely, the difference between an Evil Empire and a regular culture with dark aspects like most others.

I see no difference between an Imperium run by people like Erimond and people like Calpernia. She may say she is different, but she has become exactly the same as the magisters she claims to hate. Supporting slavery, blood sacrifice, causing innocents to suffer. So both would have Tevinter still be an Evil Empire. 

[Ieldra]

This opinion is unsurprising given your statements in Blackwall's thread.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Oh, this thread, this thread. The last, hope for Tevinter, the LAST?

 

Pfffffffff, we're doing fine, we have no need for a "last" hope.

[Milan92]

I see no difference between an Imperium run by people like Erimond and people like Calpernia. She may say she is different, but she has become exactly the same as the magisters she claims to hate. Supporting slavery, blood sacrifice, causing innocents to suffer. So both would have Tevinter still be an Evil Empire. 

 

There are always gonna be innocent's that suffer. What do you think happens when the entire slave trade gets taken down? Tevinter's economy will crumble, which in turn will also cause alot of innocent lives to suffer.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This opinion is unsurprising given your statements in Blackwall's thread.

What, the fact that Calpernia is a bad person and has caused and done everything I listed?

Yeah, it's not like she is an antagonist second only to the Big Bad or something. 

 

 

There are always gonna be innocent's that suffer. What do you think happens when the entire slave trade gets taken down? Tevinter's economy will crumble, which in turn will also cause alot of innocent lives to suffer.

Not necessarily. There are measures they could ptentially take so that as the slave trade is taken apart the economic blow will be minimized to a point where it is a stretch to call it suffering. Especially compared to the suffering that having a slave trade causes.

[Uccio]

Why should the slave trade end? It is one of the core functions of the Imperium through out the ages. Romans did just fine with it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why should the slave trade end? It is one of the core functions of the Imperium through out the ages. Romans did just fine with it.

Because it is a terrible thing. 

The Romans aren't a group one should look towards if they want to think of empires that don't fall under the Evil Empire trope. 

[AresKeith]

Because it is a terrible thing. 
The Romans aren't a group one should look towards if they want to think of empires that don't fall under the Evil Empire trope. 

 
.... But I wanted my Inquisition Soldiers to wear this though 
 

[Uccio]

Because it is a terrible thing. 

The Romans aren't a group one should look towards if they want to think of empires that don't fall under the Evil Empire trope. 

 

Roman Empire is Awesome™ and I see Tevinter Imperium a fantasy echo of it. Slaves are essential part of that. Not everything needs to reflect modern values.

[Boost32]

I see no difference between an Imperium run by people like Erimond and people like Calpernia. She may say she is different, but she has become exactly the same as the magisters she claims to hate. Supporting slavery, blood sacrifice, causing innocents to suffer. So both would have Tevinter still be an Evil Empire. 

Since when she support slavery?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 
.... But I wanted my Inquisition Soldiers to wear this though 
 

I never said the Roman Empire wasn't good in other aspects. 

 

 

Roman Empire is Awesome™ and I see Tevinter Imperium a fantasy echo of it. Slaves are essential part of that. Not everything needs to reflect modern values.

Except even in ancient times there were cultures whose values didn't include slavery, so nothing modern about it. Plus Thedas, even Tevinter, is already filled with modern values. 

 

 

Since when she support slavery?

Works for Corypheus who supports it. 

Has one of her people do a ritual that turns Warden mages into brainwashed slaves. 

Has Venatori deal with Red Lyrium which makes people mindless slaves, from civilians, Templars, etc

Keeps the mages that ware enslaved by Alexius and uses them to bolster the Venatori numbers. 

etc.