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#351
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With Alexius, Feynriel, and Fenris too.

 

That's what happens in my headcanon anyway. Felix too, since I have him join the Wardens in my 'verse. And Varania.

 

Plus a whole host of other characters, because why not?

Isn't Felix too dead for that? I mean, if Felix's death wasn't inevitable, there would have been no reason for his father to join the Venatori.

 

Though there is an interesting point: I believe Samson was originally intended to be the Vessel. What would Calpernia's place be in the In Hushed Whispers timeline, when Samson is still fit to be such?



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Isn't Felix too dead for that? I mean, if Felix's death wasn't inevitable, there would have been no reason for his father to join the Venatori.

 

Though there is an interesting point: I believe Samson was originally intended to be the Vessel. What would Calpernia's place be in the In Hushed Whispers timeline, when Samson is still fit to be such?

 

I disagree. Imagine Alexius having to see his son join an order that would have him lose his status as heir to his House, but moreover an order that is being used by Corypheus. Imagine the thought of Felix being enslaved to Cory's will and should Cory die, having his body act as a new host for Corypheus, never mind the **** going down with all the Wardens feeling like they're hearing the Calling prematurely (which Felix would've then been a part of)

 

That's more then enough reason why Alexius would have kept Felix out of the Wardens. Had he let Felix join the Order, Cory would've insisted on taking him, and Alexius' vocal opinions on the matter might've shown that he wasn't all that committed and possibility a liability.

 

As for Samson, while I do think Samson was perhaps the one originally meant to be the Vessel as well, I'm a bit confused on what you mean by your Calpernia thing.

 

Personally I think Samson was the original candidate though because of all the Red Lyrium he'd been taking, thus granting Corypheus a stronger hold over Samson then Mythal would've had (Blight and such). No need for any spells to bind him to his will then.



#353
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I disagree. Imagine Alexius having to see his son join an order that would have him lose his status as heir to his House, but moreover an order that is being used by Corypheus. Imagine the thought of Felix being enslaved to Cory's will and should Cory die, having his body act as a new host for Corypheus.

 

That's more then enough reason why Alexius would have kept Felix out of the Wardens.

 

As for Samson, while I do think Samson was perhaps the one originally meant to be the Vessel as well, I'm a bit confused on what you mean by your Calpernia thing. I think Samson was the original candidate though because of all the Red Lyrium he'd been taking, thus granting Corypheus a stronger hold over Samson then Mythal would've had (Blight and such).

Why would Corypheus tell Alexius about the use of Grey Wardens? That was Erimond's plan, and Corypheus doesn't seem like the sort to ask all of his minions about their opinions on his plans. If anything, Alexius would likely only find out about it after the fact, and then run off to join the Inquisition in the hopes that they could stop Erimond before Felix was bound.

 

On Samson, I was basically asking what role Corypheus would have planned for Calpernia if she was not the Vessel.



#354
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It largely depends on the nature of Corypheus' return. We know that he disguised himself as still being Larius/Janeka for his research purposes into Red Lyrium. Perhaps he convinced people to ally with him by first appearing as such, and then morphing into his true form to show them who he really was.

 

I'm not saying Cory would've blabbed his thoughts to all of his people, or even Alexius really (because if you go Templar route Alexius is killed because he outlived his usefulness, indicating he either wasn't high up in the Venatori ranks or Cory took the Felix thing into consideration) but I am saying that given what goes on in the story Alexius' keeping Felix out of the Wardens makes sense. For all we know Alexius found out on his own (this is a Darkspawn Magister after all, which merits investigation).

 

Especially in the bad future, when Wardens would've been corrupted and he'd find out, and thus def. kept Felix out (if he was still alive at that point).

 

Regardless, even without the specific Warden stuff of the story, the whole "losing your status as heir" thing would be a reason he might've kept Felix out. Pride and all that. Felix is obviously a strong person, given that he hoofs it all the way back to Tevinter and gives a stirring speech to the Magisterium, never mind how long he's been Blight-sick and still seemingly healthy when it doesn't act up.

 

As for Calpernia, that's something I need to think on, as Cory has both Calpernia and Samson at his side in my 'verse.



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Any idea when we're getting Calpernia's short story?



#356
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As I don't have the time to go through 15 pages. Is calpernia the last hope for tevinter even if she's not with Corypheus because you saved the mages?



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As I don't have the time to go through 15 pages. Is calpernia the last hope for tevinter even if she's not with Corypheus because you saved the mages?

She's not mentioned at all except in a note somewhere in the Western Approach. Presumably, since Samson doesn't die in that timeline, Corypheus didn't need to make her the Vessel, and she probably just leads some random Venatori cell somewhere that the Inquisitor doesn't meet directly.



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As I don't have the time to go through 15 pages. Is calpernia the last hope for tevinter even if she's not with Corypheus because you saved the mages?

 

No. People seem to have this strange idea that a former slave/fringe group member could actually have some kind of impact in the Imperium. Most likely she will just get herself killed if she goes back.



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Calpernia is a good character. A pity most players seem prone to the mage path and thus never even hear of her in their playthrough. That being said, I always kill her. I'm never such a bleeding heart where I'd let her walk away after all the damage she did in hopes of improving her homeland's state.



#360
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Calpernia is a good character. A pity most players seem prone to the mage path and thus never even hear of her in their playthrough. That being said, I always kill her. I'm never such a bleeding heart where I'd let her walk away after all the damage she did in hopes of improving her homeland's state.

You attempt to kill her.



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You attempt to kill her.

If you want to rip into semantics as is typical on the web, then yes, we cannot be sure she's dead.



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If you want to rip into semantics as is typical on the web, then yes, we cannot be sure she's dead.

Well if we are arguing for possible survival.

We didn't see Prosper die either.

He could have survived and simply vanished in the chaos of the war.

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Well if we are arguing for possible survival.

We didn't see Prosper die either.

He could have survived and simply vanished in the chaos of the war.

 

Alas, falling into plot irrelevancy might as well be death.



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Alas, falling into plot irrelevancy might as well be death.


*nods*

I think the buck toothed elf will suffer the same
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*nods*

I think the buck toothed elf will suffer the same

 

If there is any justice in the world.


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Who is the buck toothed elf?

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Regarding Calpernia's life, to me, the only question is if she actually did bump into Corypheus on her way out. If so, then yeah, I'd imagine that he effed her up.



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Who is the buck toothed elf?

Little Miss Kingmaker, aka Bri.



#369
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Tallis >_>



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Tallis >_>


So count me in the group cheering for her to never return.

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Good so everyone is agreed.

No Tallis, Briala or Calpernia!

Death to elves!

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Good so everyone is agreed.
No Tallis, Briala or Calpernia!
Death to elves!

I have nothing against Briala, just would never put her in power or reunite her with Celene, she is completely irrelevant.
Calpernia has potential but I still meh about her.

Tallis was rudiculous. Don't want to see her again.

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Tallis >_>

Whoops. Never mind.



#374
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I'll go get my good marching shirt.

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Since they released a short story for Samson, think they'll do one for Calpernia?