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[Ieldra]

The short story about Calpernia was finally posted.
 
http://blog.bioware....015/06/02/8316/

That's a really good story. It doesn't happen often that a story sends a shiver down my spine. Apart from illustrating where she came from and how she ended up with Corypheus, this is one of the few accounts (maybe even the first, I don't recall) of everyday life in Tevinter, both from a slave's point of view and a newly-discovered mage. Also, I find it remarkable that though she accepted Corypheus as her new god, she kept her mental faculties intact and did the sensible thing when he betrayed her.

I hope we'll see her again. It would be a waste if we didn't...

Also, I updated the OP with a link to the story.

[Ieldra]

A nice story ... but that's how she became Corypheus lieutenant?
 
He saw her and said: "You'll be my lieutenant from this day on"

It is strongly suggested he knew more about her when they met. Probably he knew she had the desire to restore Tevinter.

[Ieldra]

I am pretty sure she has no place in Tevinter anymore.

I'm sure the magisters wouldn't want her there, but her goals are unchanged, as the final scene in DAI indicates, so she'll return there I think.

[Ranadiel Marius]

LoL, just realize that two out of three of my favored NPCs that doesn't belong to the Inquisition faction are at odds with one another (Calpernia and Abelas ) Boy, coming DA4 (should both of them exist as companion) .. the interactions would be.. marvelous

While we don't see a corpse for any of Calpernia's fates, we do see a corpse if Abelas is killed (which is very easy to do), so I would not count on him returning in a major role.

[d1ta]

Weeelll... about the possibility of a certain grumpy sentinel being brought back to life.. (looks at Leliana)
Anyho, BW's character, BW's story. Who ever they may or may not bring back to 'life' is entirely up to them since it is their sandbox. I'm just glad I could play in it

And since this is a thread about Calpernia.. should the next game focuses somewhere up north, do you think that we will brush shoulders with the Venatori again (ones that are loyal to her) and that they would be painted in a more positive light?
Especially if the Qun (StenIshok) launch another full scale invasion, I'd see nations would have to band together (again) to push the invaders back

Edit: gramar

[Uccio]

I'm sure the magisters wouldn't want her there, but her goals are unchanged, as the final scene in DAI indicates, so she'll return there I think.

Probably, the power of plot armor is unchallenged. Truth is still that she allied herself with Venatori making herself a outlaw in the Imperium. A former slave has zero protection against the law.

[Ieldra]

Probably, the power of plot armor is unchallenged. Truth is still that she allied herself with Venatori making herself a outlaw in the Imperium. A former slave has zero protection against the law.

You're concered about the law? Nobody who threatens the status quo has any protection in Tevinter - the law and its interpretation is largely what the magisterium wants, and given her goals most magisters wouldn't even bother and assassinate her outright if they could. The law doesn't matter, her only protection is her power and what alliances she will be able to make. Nonetheless, she will return, and there doesn't need to be any plot armor to make her survival. Whether she succeeds or dies in pursuit of her goals, that's a different matter, but mere survival should not be a problem for her.

[Uccio]

You're concered about the law? Nobody who threatens the status quo has any protection in Tevinter - the law and its interpretation is largely what the magisterium wants, and given her goals most magisters wouldn't even bother and assassinate her outright if they could. The law doesn't matter, her only protection is her power and what alliances she will be able to make. Nonetheless, she will return, and there doesn't need to be any plot armor to make her survival. Whether she succeeds or dies in pursuit of her goals, that's a different matter, but mere survival should not be a problem for her.

 

I was just pointing out that her being a former slave means the only thing she has to lean on is the supposed law since none of the Magisters nor the Archon wishes to see her alive in the Imperium. And even the law of the land wants her head. Venatori were declared outlaws and hunted, both by the Inquisition and the Imperium.

 

She has no place in the Imperium, nor protectors.

[Ieldra]

She has no place in the Imperium, nor protectors.

Oh, I'm sure there are quite a few people who would help her. As for having no (legal) place, that's how things usually are for prospective revolutionaries. As a rule, it doesn't stop them, and some of them even succeed.

[Dai Grepher]

Good OP. I agree. I really liked Calpernia. My human male mage reached out to her, and she made the right choice in the end. I hope we do see more of her. The fact that she jumps off the cliff seems to imply that she might survive no matter what, since we don't see her die. Also, I don't think she ran into Corypheus when leaving the Well of Sorrows. At least, she didn't run into him on the way out. Whether she stuck around to confront him afterward is unknown, but by Corypheus' apparent lack of urgency I'd say he didn't see her on his way into the Well chamber.

 

And it would be odd if the only way Calpernia survives is if you fought her. So I'd say she survives either way. And since the next game is rumored to take place in northern Thedas, Tevinter will be a likely location for us to visit. In which case we will likely see Calpernia there.

[Dai Grepher]

I was just pointing out that her being a former slave means the only thing she has to lean on is the supposed law since none of the Magisters nor the Archon wishes to see her alive in the Imperium. And even the law of the land wants her head. Venatori were declared outlaws and hunted, both by the Inquisition and the Imperium.

 

She has no place in the Imperium, nor protectors.

 

According to the Chore Table missions, that Maeveris character is a reformer. Calpernia could find an ally there, especially if Dorian vouches for her, and I have every reason to believe he would IF the Inquisitor convinced her to abandon Corypheus. If not, then yeah, she still might ally with reformers or she might have to be a lone wolf who leads the remaining rebel Venatori.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Oh, and Erastenies could still be alive. And he could be tranquil or possibly not tranquil. So if he is allied with the Inquisition then Calpernia could just work with him and find safe haven in his mansion again.

[Uccio]

According to the Chore Table missions, that Maeveris character is a reformer. Calpernia could find an ally there, especially if Dorian vouches for her, and I have every reason to believe he would IF the Inquisitor convinced her to abandon Corypheus. If not, then yeah, she still might ally with reformers or she might have to be a lone wolf who leads the remaining rebel Venatori.
 

 

The problem is, Venatori are outlaws. She shows her face even with Maevaris they will both loose their heads. Maevaris might be a Magister but allying herself with a known criminal would get herself ousted as a ally of the Venatori. Maevaris is on the minority in Tevinter, she has to tread carefully.

[Dai Grepher]

I think it depends how you spin it. If Calpernia turned on Corypheus at that crucial point, then that could go a long way in redeeming her. If not, or if branded an outlaw then Maevaris might want nothing to do with her, true. Still that minority could still benefit from Calpernia's efforts. And lets not forget that Tevinter is locked in conflict with the Qunari. Will Tevinter accept Calpernia into society if she has a sizeable group of battle-hardened mages, warriors, and assassins at her command? Heck, if it comes down to civil war in Tevinter then minority Mae is going to need some muscle, and who knows if the Inquisition will want to supply it or not? Calpernia seems like the go to gal for all things vision, power, and zeal.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

I just found a reference to Calpernia when siding with the mages.

In front of the still ruins in the western approach, there is a letter where servis is ordering Venatori to deliver supplies to Calpernia. So she does exist in a reference if you side with mages

[Uccio]

I think it depends how you spin it. If Calpernia turned on Corypheus at that crucial point, then that could go a long way in redeeming her. If not, or if branded an outlaw then Maevaris might want nothing to do with her, true. Still that minority could still benefit from Calpernia's efforts. And lets not forget that Tevinter is locked in conflict with the Qunari. Will Tevinter accept Calpernia into society if she has a sizeable group of battle-hardened mages, warriors, and assassins at her command? Heck, if it comes down to civil war in Tevinter then minority Mae is going to need some muscle, and who knows if the Inquisition will want to supply it or not? Calpernia seems like the go to gal for all things vision, power, and zeal.

 

Calpernia joined Corypheus by getting her master killed. That alone would get her head chopped. She is a runaway slave, nothing more.

 

Also, despite what Calpernia might have thought of slaves the Venatori are Tevinter supremacists backing up even bloodier slave rule than the current Tevinter. I would guess Maevaris do not want anything to do with a such group.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Calpernia joined Corypheus by getting her master killed. That alone would get her head chopped. She is a runaway slave, nothing more.

O.o No she didn't. Cory kidnapped her master, saw her and thought bonus. If her master is dead then it was the Inquisitor who killed him.

I suppose you could be trying to make an argument regarding how TI society would view the events...but the majority of TI would have no way to know she was ever a slave, much less who her former master was or what happened to him. In fact I don't recall the Inquisition learning her background till they encounter her master (could be wrong on that though).

[Dai Grepher]

Calpernia joined Corypheus by getting her master killed. That alone would get her head chopped. She is a runaway slave, nothing more.

 

Also, despite what Calpernia might have thought of slaves the Venatori are Tevinter supremacists backing up even bloodier slave rule than the current Tevinter. I would guess Maevaris do not want anything to do with a such group.

 

No, Erastinies is still alive in Inquisition, unless the Inquisitor kills him.

 

Corypheus' Venatori backed slavery and worse. Calpernia's Venatori do not. She even roasted a slaver in Val Royeaux for mistreating the slaves he sold to her.
 

[Dai Grepher]

O.o No she didn't. Cory kidnapped her master, saw her and thought bonus. If her master is dead then it was the Inquisitor who killed him.

I suppose you could be trying to make an argument regarding how TI society would view the events...but the majority of TI would have no way to know she was ever a slave, much less who her former master was or what happened to him. In fact I don't recall the Inquisition learning her background till they encounter her master (could be wrong on that though).

 

Well she did leave that one guy alive in her short story. The guy with the ? scar on his face. I'm sure he's none too happy with her. She took his slaves too.

 

I think the Inquisition first learns of her through Leliana tracking down the slaver she was buying from. There are some notes about her, and then when you plant the crystal in her room you learn more about her that way.
 

[Ieldra]

No, Erastinies is still alive in Inquisition, unless the Inquisitor kills him.

 

Corypheus' Venatori backed slavery and worse. Calpernia's Venatori do not. She even roasted a slaver in Val Royeaux for mistreating the slaves he sold to her.
 

Things are somewhat unclear in this regard. Calpernia is recognized to be the leader of the Venatori, so I'd say she shares responsibility for everything they do. On the other hand, while she is (apparently at least) a nationalist and wouldn't necessarily care about the fates of Tevinter's enemies, possibly including any atrocities committed against them, her dislike of slavery seems genuine and I don't think she'd willingly take part in enslavements. Maybe, like so many others following certain kinds of leaders, she chose to be blind on one eye.

 

With regard to what the Venatori did in general, we must consider that they were at war. From that viewpoint, Erimond's plans were actually brilliant, and recruiting southern Thedas' rebel mages was a sound strategic move. They are responsible for some atrocities, but I don't think those we hear of are worse than what Orlais - our ally - did to the elves when they were at war with them.   

[Uccio]

No, Erastinies is still alive in Inquisition, unless the Inquisitor kills him.

 

Corypheus' Venatori backed slavery and worse. Calpernia's Venatori do not. She even roasted a slaver in Val Royeaux for mistreating the slaves he sold to her.
 

 

We don´t know that, what the story implies is that he is dead. I didn´t play the templar side so I don´t know if he appears there.

 

Corypheus is the empodiment of the Venatori. He was the one the Venatori follow. People joining in that group did not join Calpernia and certainly do not share her views of slaves. Corypheus getting killed will not make them followers of Calpernia. If there is anything left of the Venatori after Inquisition then most likely other people will step up for the leadership. She was just a Corypheus pet.

[The Baconer]

We don´t know that, what the story implies is that he is dead. I didn´t play the templar side so I don´t know if he appears there.

 

He does appear in a side quest focusing on Calpernia, Corypheus trapped him in a stasis bubble.

[Uccio]

Ok, so that settles it then, Calpernia is a run-away slave. There is no way she could "go back" in the Imperium, and live.

[Ieldra]

Ok, so that settles it then, Calpernia is a run-away slave. There is no way she could "go back" in the Imperium, and live.

Nobody has conceded that, and your incessant assertion of the same thing - basically without any sort of evidence - doesn't make it any more true. When - when and not if - Calpernia appears in the next game, and it's set in Tevinter, we'll see if her presence appears plausible to people or not. I'd take any bet that it won't be a problem for most.

[Uccio]

Yeah, but is it plausible? That is the question, isn't it? Incessant or not. There seems to be a lot of fawning over the character to see the settings. Someone with her backround is going to need a hell of a story to just stroll back in the Imperium.