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[JadeDragon]

I could see DA4 following the trend of allowing you to appoint a new ruler. DA:O had fereldan throne and DA:I had the divine and emperor choice. So I can see a event taking place where we can make a choice on who is Archon and possible choosing between Calpernia, Dorian, and maybe current archon.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Calpernia was a better antagonist than Samson. 

[Aimi]

I could see DA4 following the trend of allowing you to appoint a new ruler. DA:O had fereldan throne and DA:I had the divine and emperor choice. So I can see a event taking place where we can make a choice on who is Archon and possible choosing between Calpernia, Dorian, and maybe current archon.

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[Master Warder Z_]

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Yup.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I could see DA4 following the trend of allowing you to appoint a new ruler. DA:O had fereldan throne and DA:I had the divine and emperor choice. So I can see a event taking place where we can make a choice on who is Archon and possible choosing between Calpernia, Dorian, and maybe current archon.

I would hope not, especially if they set it up where you're disadvantaging if not outright condemning whoever you don't choose. I really don't want Dorian to be involved with that viper nest at all. I appreciate that he cares so much, but frankly, I wish he'd just wash his hands of the whole country.

[Aimi]

I would hope not, especially if they set it up where you're disadvantaging if not outright condemning whoever you don't choose. I really don't want Dorian to be involved with that viper nest at all. I appreciate that he cares so much, but frankly, I wish he'd just wash his hands of the whole country.

also more importantly THE PLAYER BEING ABLE TO MAKE THESE HUGE DECISIONS IS RIDICULOUS

[Emperor Iaius I]

I would hope not, especially if they set it up where you're disadvantaging if not outright condemning whoever you don't choose. I really don't want Dorian to be involved with that viper nest at all. I appreciate that he cares so much, but frankly, I wish he'd just wash his hands of the whole country.

 

That's a little selfish, no?

 

At any rate, if such a thing were to happen I'd rather it be the result of the player's actions (similar to the Divine election, but better done) rather than everyone just turning to the player and asking them what they think should be done (like the Landsmeet).

 

It's one thing to be a Grey Warden in a country with a decimated political system during a blight. Short of Tevinter being hobbled by a slave uprising + a qunari attack + the dwarves withholding lyrium for some reason, I don't see the Magisterium being desperate enough to go with a fait accompli like that.

[Rundy Bundles]

I found it hypocritical of her to have a goal of ending what makes Tevinter bad and yet has no problem doing those things.

Same. I still really liked her as character, probably one of my favourite Bioware antagonists. Though, I saw it more as self-righteousness than hypocrisy, but maybe I'm just unaware of any slavery/corruption at her hand. I might agree with her goals and ideals, but not so much methods.

Calpernia was the leader of the Venatori. The very people responsible for attempting to (and in some cases suceeding) to assassinate the Empress of Orlais, making a thrall of the King of Nevarra, attempting to assassinate the Monarch of Ferelden and burn down the capital. I doubt many foreign rulers would be eager at the idea of an alliance with an Imperial she rules.
And while I agree with time running out and reform is needed, the type of reform Calpernia wants to implicate and so impatiently, so rapidly such as the removal of slavery would realistically be far more crippling to Tevinter and its economy that Magister Infighting.  Tbh I'd only support Calpernia if I wanted to advocate Qunari interests as it stands currently.

Let's just hope there's no Reign of Terror-esque "reform" She has a terrible past, I'm sure but it's not exactly an excuse for any "bad" done by her hand or the Venatori's. More like an explanation, or an understanding into her character. However, I still like her as a character, for some reason. The way she's written is pretty real, and I can imagine a RL person akin to her, if they lived in a Tevinter-like country.

As for the confrontation at the Well of Sorrows, if people went with fighting her, resulting in her supposed suicide, I remember someone pointing out the she wasn't so much a pushover like Samson. Much more prideful, didn't want to be defeated. Someone else saw it as her refusing to lose and submit, because those are the very things she hates, her being a former slave. I found those were two interesting interpretations, and heck, both might even have a point. Kudos to her writer, because she does have an interesting personality, and here's to hoping she'd show up in the next game.

[Ieldra]

also more importantly THE PLAYER BEING ABLE TO MAKE THESE HUGE DECISIONS IS RIDICULOUS

I think it was handled nicely in DAI. You don't actually decide who's going to rule Orlais. You manipulate events and present selective evidence so things fall out a certain way.

 

The difficulty for a writer is setting up a situation where you can plausibly do that. Again, I think it was done well in DAI. In a Tevinter scenario, it could be something like "You choose to support X in a critical mission that results in their victory later on". There are many points in a sequence of events where you can justify a large-scale divergence based on one person's actions.

[SmilesJA]

Calpernia was a better antagonist than Samson. 

 

[Aimi]

I think it was handled nicely in DAI. You don't actually decide who's going to rule Orlais. You manipulate events and present selective evidence so things fall out a certain way.
 
The difficulty for a writer is setting up a situation where you can plausibly do that. Again, I think it was done well in DAI. In a Tevinter scenario, it could be something like "You choose to support X in a critical mission that results in their victory later on". There are many points in a sequence of events where you can justify a large-scale divergence based on one person's actions.

It was a bit better in Inquisition - at least, the Divine choice was. The choice of who rules Orlais was a more typical BioWare "this is my choice and what I say automatically goes" thing.

[Arlee]

It was a bit better in Inquisition - at least, the Divine choice was. The choice of who rules Orlais was a more typical BioWare "this is my choice and what I say automatically goes" thing.

 

Sort of... depending on what you did or didn't do during the ball you would or wouldn't have some of the options available. So although you do get a point where you sort of decided, in reality the things you did or didn't do previously set-up the situation in the first place. Which is more realistic than if people just were all "ok you pick who rules".

[Ranadiel Marius]

So a question, has anyone ever talked Calpernia down and then told her that you weren't going to let her go? I'm curious as to what happens in that scenario as I've never tried it and don't have any saves I could use to check (also don't think I could bring myself to do it).

[Ieldra]

Sorry, Ranadiel Marius, I'm in the same position as you: I couldn't do it. I should say that Bioware did quite a job in making these scenes so real, that we hesitate to do things for experimentation even though we know it's a game.

[JadeDragon]

So a question, has anyone ever talked Calpernia down and then told her that you weren't going to let her go? I'm curious as to what happens in that scenario as I've never tried it and don't have any saves I could use to check (also don't think I could bring myself to do it).

Tried it. I told her the truth then told her I couldnt let her go she is the vent leader after all. This results in the same fight scene with her falling off the cliff. I reloaded though and let her go in my canon.

[Ieldra]

Tried it. I told her the truth then told her I couldnt let her go she is the vent leader after all. This results in the same fight scene with her falling off the cliff. I reloaded though and let her go in my canon.

One does wonder...."vent leader"? I do hope she produces more significant effects as a leader than a lot of hot air.

[Addai]

Narratively Calpernia's quest line is better than Samson's. Like Letho says in The Witcher 2, I love the moment when the cards are all laid out on the table, where the protagonist confronts the antagonist and both realize that they still have choices, that nothing is inevitable, and sometimes that they're better off working together than against each other. The fact that you can't do that with Samson makes it flatter.

[Rundy Bundles]

Tried it. I told her the truth then told her I couldnt let her go she is the vent leader after all. This results in the same fight scene with her falling off the cliff. I reloaded though and let her go in my canon.

I...might do this next time. Just finished Wicked Eyes & WH, so I just...may. ;-;

[MisterJB]

So a question, has anyone ever talked Calpernia down and then told her that you weren't going to let her go? I'm curious as to what happens in that scenario as I've never tried it and don't have any saves I could use to check (also don't think I could bring myself to do it).

You tell here "You know the truth of Corypheus' betrayal. You will die knowing it."

 

Then you defeat her and she (supposedly) kills herself.

[Mystical Mirage]

I don't know.  I'm always cautious about doing the "Chose who rules" thing because I admit half the time I have no idea what I'm doing with those things.  

 

I'm a little curious on who voiced Calpernia though.  I can't find that information anywheres.

[Uccio]

Calpernia was a traitor to her country by allying with a blight monster. Only execution will wait for her in Tevinter, not Archons seat.

[MisterJB]

Half of the Magisterium was funding that blight monster.

Corpyheus fits right in with Tevinter.

[Uccio]

Half of the Magisterium was funding that blight monster.
Corpyheus fits right in with Tevinter.

Lies, all lies. No Magister would share power nor bend knee to Corypheus. Some outcast just had high hopes.

[Ieldra]

@Ukki:

You do know that your statement sounds like typical Imperial propaganda... Why would that be? Oh yes, because it *is* typical Imperial propaganda.

[Ieldra]

I'm a little curious on who voiced Calpernia though.  I can't find that information anywheres.

I've just spent 20 minutes on net research and came up with nothing. This is annoying. She's probably subsumed under "additional voices".