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[BraveVesperia]

Branka, Howe, Quentin and Vaughn are probably at the top of my 'want to punt into a fire' list.

 

Edit: ooh, I'll add Alrik, Karras, Danarius, Caladrius and Erimond to the list. So many punchable people.

[sch1986]

No sympathy or respect for Loghain here. I think it's delusional to say "Loghain did it to save his people."

It's pretty obvious right from the beginning of Origins that Loghain has no respect for his king and had absolutely no intention of helping at Ostagar. If he felt Cailan's plan was stupid (which I won't necessarily argue) he should have said/did more to convince Cailan and offered a better solution. Loghain is the most vile evil traitor in Thedas. He never survives the Landsmeet in any of my playthroughs. My only regret is that I can't also sacrifice that worthless PoS to Archdemon with out making Alistair a wandering drunk. And also that the warden can't dig him up and sacrifice him again.

I know half of you will disagree with this. And I respect that opinion. But I hate Loghain because he is an evil useless coward and will not be convinced otherwise.

[Riven326]

In my experience? Arl Howe without question. Vaughn was a piece of trash, but he wasn't as evil as Howe.

[fhs33721]

Most vile, immoral villains? I'd say that the actually most immoral villains are actually some of the demons.

The one that posessed Connor killed everyone in the castle, made their undead corpses attack helpless villagers and did things like cutting of elves ears feeding them to dogs. And she did all this pretty much for sh*t and giggles, seeing it as nothing more than a game.

 

But for the more human villains I'd also say Howe is the most despicable shortly followed by persons like Vaughn, Karras and Alrik. I'd say Branka is in the top 5 as well.

[Emperor Iaius I]

The Maker. Not only did he turn on man, imprison the only gods that helped, and then inflict the Blight on mankind -- but every single bad thing that happens in these games is his fault.

Actually he and Howe are rather similar in their vanity and desire for attention.

[AlexiaRevan]

Vaughn, Howe, Quentin are up there for me.

I vote for these too...

 

Vaughn in leliana dlc...*shudder* never wanted to bust a door so badly...

[phil11113]

Arl Howe.

[The Hierophant]

Meh, i can't decide between Alrik, Vaughn, Branka, Karras and Howe.

[RobRam10]

Meh, i can't decide between Alrik, Vaughn, Branka, Karras and Howe.

I like killing chantry sisters.

[Spooky81]

Howe.  The apple doesn't fall far from the tree and sometimes I wonder if Nanthaniel and maybe Delilah should have written as equally atrocious as their father.

 

Quentin is up there, though he was mentally deranged and warped over an obsessive longing for his dead wife whereas Howe was acting with a clear conscience and carefully planned and calculated all his ambitions.

 

Bhelen and Vaughn would probably be at the top of the list for a Dwarven Noble and City Elf origin, respectively.

[Caja]

No sympathy or respect for Loghain here. I think it's delusional to say "Loghain did it to save his people."

It's pretty obvious right from the beginning of Origins that Loghain has no respect for his king and had absolutely no intention of helping at Ostagar. If he felt Cailan's plan was stupid (which I won't necessarily argue) he should have said/did more to convince Cailan and offered a better solution. Loghain is the most vile evil traitor in Thedas. He never survives the Landsmeet in any of my playthroughs. My only regret is that I can't also sacrifice that worthless PoS to Archdemon with out making Alistair a wandering drunk. And also that the warden can't dig him up and sacrifice him again.

I know half of you will disagree with this. And I respect that opinion. But I hate Loghain because he is an evil useless coward and will not be convinced otherwise.

I agree. Loghain is on top of my list. I know that his actions are debatable but for me he is is one of worst traitors in Thedas, closely followed by Arl Howe.

[The Hierophant]

I like killing chantry sisters.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Full-evil Warden. Condemns a child to demon slavery not once but twice, defiles a holy relic, slays trusting companions... The crimes evil Warden can do in DAO are all the worse because of how people revere him.

 

OHOHOHOHO!

[Bad King]

The Baroness from Awakening - depraved blood magic rituals on innocents and trapping a whole village of people in the Fade for an eternity has got to rank up there with the most evil deeds committed in Dragon Age history!

[SerTabris]

It isn't necessarily dumb to offer that to someone that isn't a CE.  From Caladrius' perspective, given the prejudices prevalent in the world of Thedas, it's entirely possible a human or dwarven Warden would be amenable to such a deal.  You could even make a case that a particularly militant Dalish might view the deal as a means of teaching the "flat ears" what happens when you abandon your culture.  I certainly wouldn't call any Warden willing to accept such a deal a good person, but from Caladrius' perspective, well...look at his options.

 

1.  Die.

2.  Possibly survive by offering a deal that might be acceptable.

 

When the other option is guaranteed death, the smart play there is to go with the gamble.  It only becomes dumb when the CE walks in, especially considering one of the intended sacrifices is the CE's father.

 

Even with a CE Warden, it could be a kind of failure to understand another perspective. I would find it perfectly believable that Caladrius would do that to his own family, so maybe he doesn't find it so unreasonable. (Doesn't really help his case on the evil list, though.)

[PearsAndCherries]

Loghain and Howe on DAO

Meredith DA2

I am not so sure about DAI... I think Samson, though I can't help but feel sorry for the dude   

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I like killing chantry sisters.

It's too bad we can't kill them ourselves, and there's one particular chantry sister that deserves to die.

[Sable Rhapsody]

The one I had the most visceral, stomach-turning reaction to was Alrik.  Lighting him on fire was immensely satisfying.  Honorable mention goes to Vaughn.  Howe was vile, but Tim Curry's voice had me in such stitches that I couldn't really take him seriously as a bad guy, and I'm inclined to think fondly of the Howes now thanks to Nathaniel.

[Kulyok]

I can find some degree of sympathy for all of them.

 

Quentin lost his wife and wanted to bring her back to life; he didn't care if a dozen women died for that, since they were outside his circle of concern. If your beloved were dying, and you could snap your fingers so twenty women somewhere in Zimbabwe died and she lived? I think many wouldn't even hesitate before doing it.

 

Branka wanted to prevent the annihilation of her homeland: hundreds, even thousands of horribly lost and corrupted dwarves were worth the restored dwarven empire to her, and since darkspawn threatened and still threaten the world, I imagine many dwarves would have done it willingly - for Orzammar, and for their race's continued survival.

 

As for Howe and Blackwall, those are classic medieval values: power and prosperity. Destroy your enemy, kill his heirs, and rise in his place. Half of noble families in Westeros are infamous for that, and I suspect even Starks are no exception.

 

A cunning and charming villain like Erimond is, too, easy to understand - glory to Tevinter, and to hells with those barbarians in the Southern Thedas, who started Exalted marches on his homeland.

 

Petrice and those who sympathized with her, like some of the Hawkes, are quite easy to understand, too - Qunari is a horrible threat, an anti-utopia where women are forced to have children, every one is forced into a role they're assigned, and there's mind-wiping and "re-education" for the dissenters. And they were going to bring that "order" to Kirkwall eventually, provoked or not.

 

Who else? Vaughn? A noble who thinks he can do anything and get away with anything, who thinks elves aren't people. Is he a villain? Well, sure. But even he can find redemption and become a Chantry brother - a hilarious scene, by the way. And I was much more horrified with the actions of the City Elf Female's father. When his girl begged and pleaded with him not to force her into some strange man's bed, he said: "Well, you don't want me to marry you to someone twice your senior, do you? I thought not".

 

Same with the templars, same with the Baroness: if the villain is charismatic, one can even sympathize with that point of view. If, however, the villain is ugly, bearded and has a horrible voice, like Sir Alric... well, they're out of luck, it seems.

[Gervaise]

Even Howe may have had a motivation other than purely personal gain.   When my Cousland confronted him he said how my father was going to sell us out to Orlais.   Naturally I called him a liar but then I went to Ostagar and saw the correspondence between Celene and Cailan.   I realised that these letters would never have been entrusted to mere couriers and then I remembered how right back at the beginning, just before Howe's attack, the family were talking about how my father had just been to Orlais.    Could have Howe have known or at least suspected?     It would explain why he seemed to be able to play Loghain so easily; playing on his fears.     Of course it doesn't justify what he did to my family but it does make him a bit more than a cardboard cut out evil villain.

 

Top of my list would be Vaughan, Denarius, Florianne and Erimond.    The first is a typical noble who abused his power and rather small fry compared with the other three.   I loved playing the city elf origin just so I could fight through to his den and kill him rather than simply do away with him in the cells.   Denarius made my skin crawl and I could understand why Fenris was so anti-mage if that is who he had had to serve.  Can't really understand anyone being sadistic enough to give Fenris back to him but then I don't do evil myself.   Florianne was a totally selfish b***h who was happy to let the world burn so long as she ruled over it; I actually preferred letting her knife Celene in the back so I was straight up able to fight her, rather than having to knife her myself or judge her.    However, if I did knife her myself I found it disappointing that anyone in my party actually disapproved of the action.    Erimond only wants glory for Tevinter because of what it would mean for him.   Again, he is totally unrepentant of his actions or how the world would have suffered if he'd been successful.    Also, like Florianne, an idiot if he thinks making a blighted ancient magister into a god would actually work out well for him.

[Anvos]

I'd have to say Rendon Howe and Ser Alrik each fall into the category of most evil and were largely motived by the most selfish reasons and doing bad things merely because they had the power to do so.

 

As for DAI non of them seem to fall as evil as the first two, but Erimond is the only mage I've seen and was able to bring myself to say he deserved to be made tranquil.

[Aren]

Arl Eamon because he hide his ambition under the mask of the false kindness. 

And his wife of course.

[Ashagar]

Howe, Quentin, the Baroness, The Venitori magister commanding the freeborn in the exalted plains, Samson and the stupid evil award goes to the evil warden.

[Carmen_Willow]

Rendon Howe, Vaughn, and Denarius. - Tier One evil villains.

 

The irony is that the man I admire most in Dragon Age - Nathaniel Howe - is the son of the man I most despise. Ah, the drama....