http://youtu.be/4K2tO2Jd6a4?t=9m42s
Apparently you could have talked with Hawke about why he hates blood magic and he gives his reasons why. Also, Hawke could have given a summary about what happened in Kirkwall. Cut content?
Apparently there was a reason X hates blood magic
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Posté 03 février 2015 - 10:49
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The real problem I understand many players have, is that one the one hand, Hawke is bound to be "good" when it comes down to it. On the other hand, blood magic is bound to be evil as far as the writing is concerned. So having a Hawke who can, after the incidents with his/her mother, still use blood magic, is inconsistent & silly. More thought should have been put into this, even back then.
I personally think, while possible, a notoriously "evil" Hawke (as well as all the cartoonishly evil options some people seem to be endorse for the sake of it) are as much canon as Shepard not surviving the Suicide Mission in Mass Effect 2.
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Posté 03 février 2015 - 10:53
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The real problem I understand many players have, is that one the one hand, Hawke is bound to be "good" when it comes down to it. On the other hand, blood magic is bound to be evil as far as the writing is concerned. So having a Hawke who can, after the incidents with his/her mother, still use blood magic, is inconsistent & silly. More thought should have been put into this, even back then.
I personally think, while possible, a notoriously "evil" Hawke (as well as all the cartoonishly evil options some people seem to be endorse for the sake of it) are as much canon as Shepard not surviving the Suicide Mission in Mass Effect 2.
It was impossible for me to side with the mages after Hawke's mother's death, and I could never make Hawke a Blood Mage. Hawke's hate for Blood Mages is thoroughly justified in my opinion, but being allowed to make him/her one feels a bit off, unless a truly aggressive/evil Hawke was not affected by their mother's death, which is not possible.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 12:24
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The real problem I understand many players have, is that one the one hand, Hawke is bound to be "good" when it comes down to it. On the other hand, blood magic is bound to be evil as far as the writing is concerned. So having a Hawke who can, after the incidents with his/her mother, still use blood magic, is inconsistent & silly. More thought should have been put into this, even back then.
I personally think, while possible, a notoriously "evil" Hawke (as well as all the cartoonishly evil options some people seem to be endorse for the sake of it) are as much canon as Shepard not surviving the Suicide Mission in Mass Effect 2.
Nothing Hawke said made blood mage sound evil. He never said that it was. Just that it's too dangerous.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 12:26
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It was impossible for me to side with the mages after Hawke's mother's death, and I could never make Hawke a Blood Mage. Hawke's hate for Blood Mages is thoroughly justified in my opinion, but being allowed to make him/her one feels a bit off, unless a truly aggressive/evil Hawke was not affected by their mother's death, which is not possible.
I don't get that thinking. It was not blood magic that killed his/her mother,it was an insane man. Saying all mages are bad because of the actions of one is flawed logic.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 12:29
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I don't get that thinking. It was not blood magic that killed his/her mother,it was an insane man. Saying all mages are bad because of the actions of one is flawed logic.
It's not about that, it's about what can happen when you do evil magic. Blood magic and what was done to her mother are both horrific things.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 12:33
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Yes My Solana HoF was a blood mage saved the freaking world
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 12:34
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Blood Magic is kind of like the Dark Side of the Force. It is not inherently evil, but the fact that bad **** always goes down when it is involved is just a quirk of the setting.
"I have decided to use my powers for good and open up a soup kitchen!"
"Wow, that's a really cool thing to-"
"A soup kitchen powered by the dark side of the force!!!"
"....Shut it down."
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 12:40
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I agree that what was done to Hawke's mother was awful, but I'm still hesitant to say that blood magic in and of itself is. It seems like it's meant to be this big, bad thing, but then we get the opportunity to be blood mages with are Wardens and Hawkes. We have Merrill who practices blood magic extensively, and Morrigan who implies that she knows blood magic. Neither character is evil.
I always hate that Hawke decides he hates blood magic in Inquisition because almost every mage Hawke I play ends up as a blood mage.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 12:45
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I agree that what was done to Hawke's mother was awful, but I'm still hesitant to say that blood magic in and of itself is. It seems like it's meant to be this big, bad thing, but then we get the opportunity to be blood mages with are Wardens and Hawkes. We have Merrill who practices blood magic extensively, and Morrigan who implies that she knows blood magic. Neither character is evil.
I always hate that Hawke decides he hates blood magic in Inquisition because almost every mage Hawke I play ends up as a blood mage.
It's your choice and a very controversial topic, so Hawke's default dislike is perhaps not canon if you went another route in DA2? I adore Merrill and Morrigan, and even Jowan and Niall in DAO, and sometimes I sympathized with certain blood mages in DA2, but it's harder after All That Remains (from a personal perspective).
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 12:49
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http://youtu.be/4K2tO2Jd6a4?t=9m42s
Apparently you could have talked with Hawke about why he hates blood magic and he gives his reasons why. Also, Hawke could have given a summary about what happened in Kirkwall. Cut content?
Blood magic was heavily abused by irresponsible mages.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 01:22
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The Warden and Hawke possibly being Blood Mages was always a case of gameplay and story segregation. It never made much sense in-universe, just as as it didn't make any sense to make Wynne a Blood Mage in Origins or Anders one in Awakening. That's why it was taken out as an option in Inquisition. As far as the devs are concerned, mage Hawke and mage Warden were not Blood Mages.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 01:24
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If I was Hawke, I'd be talking sh** about bloodmages too. Even if she was friends with Merrill, even her use of it ended up being a pain too. Screw the maleficarum man.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 01:44
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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I can see Hawke able to compartmentalize, blood magic itself didn't cause his/her mother to die, it was A blood mage, but watching Orsino go nuts, that was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Even a blood mage Hawke would be able to see that blood magic only brings madness in the end. Wish they hadn't cut that line :/
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 01:55
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The rivamance does, it can actually be pretty brilliant if you Roleplay it right.I don't like how they made Hawke canonly hate blood magic. It makes things like them being a blood mage or being in a romance with Merrill no longer make any sense.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 01:57
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Who's X? Malcolm X? I think he might be okay with Blood Magic in a more... Targeted manner.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 01:58
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The rivamance does, it can actually be pretty brilliant if you Roleplay it right.
Rivalmances make no sense whatsoever to me. But regardless, Hawke's hatred of anything involving blood magic makes being friends or in the friend romance inconsistent or no longer canon.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 02:00
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http://youtu.be/4K2tO2Jd6a4?t=9m42s
Apparently you could have talked with Hawke about why he hates blood magic and he gives his reasons why. Also, Hawke could have given a summary about what happened in Kirkwall. Cut content?
omfg why the heck was this cut?
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 02:02
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omfg why the heck was this cut?
Probably because it makes Merrill's friendmance make no sense.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 02:07
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Probably because it makes Merrill's friendmance make no sense.
It would still be better than the 'wtf why u so angry hawke' that we got.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 02:16
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It would still be better than the 'wtf why u so angry hawke' that we got.
Meh, Hawke saying "Any mage that justifies blood magic eventually goes too far" would've been too much for me, this way I can atleast head canon he's only talking about blood magic that involves human sacrifice.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 02:19
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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I can see Hawke able to compartmentalize, blood magic itself didn't cause his/her mother to die, it was A blood mage, but watching Orsino go nuts, that was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Even a blood mage Hawke would be able to see that blood magic only brings madness in the end. Wish they hadn't cut that line :/
Yah given the events that happen and can possibly happen in game, I can easily see even a blood mage Hawke coming to hate it given the suffering his/her family can suffer from it as well as their associates and the people of kirkwall.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 02:41
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It's not about that, it's about what can happen when you do evil magic. Blood magic and what was done to her mother are both horrific things.
So can a knife and enchantment magic. That does not make it evil and all mages evil. Heck, that would also make dwarves evil because only they can do enchantment magic.
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 02:47
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The Warden and Hawke possibly being Blood Mages was always a case of gameplay and story segregation. It never made much sense in-universe, just as as it didn't make any sense to make Wynne a Blood Mage in Origins or Anders one in Awakening. That's why it was taken out as an option in Inquisition. As far as the devs are concerned, mage Hawke and mage Warden were not Blood Mages.
Why do you think it doesn't make sense? It seems to fit as well as anything else, in my opinion. Wardens have no provisions against blood magic and, as far as I know, aren't under Chantry jurisdiction. Hawke might be ever so slightly less easy to justify it with because of Malcolm's apparent dislike of blood magic, but there's no reason why he wouldn't dabble. I would agree, however, that it would make no sense at all for the Inquisitor to practice blood magic given their position and apparent divine connection.
I would also argue that it wasn't blood magic that drove Orsino into harvester mode so much as it was desperation. Perhaps he wouldn't have had the ability to do what he did if it weren't for blood magic, but I definitely think the will to do it would have still been there.
