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[SgtSteel91]

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[Bayonet Hipshot]

Yeah the whole "Hawke hates Blood Magic now" is just stupid and ridiculous. Choices that matter. Yeah, right.

 

My Hawke was a Spirit Healer who friendmanced Merrill and did not mind her using Blood Magic at all. To him, it was a tool, nothing more. So the idea of Hawke being against Blood Magic was laughable. 

 

The same goes with my Warden. He was a Shapeshifter who romanced Morrigan and did not actually have any problem with forbidden magic or blood magic. 

 

The only reason why I did not make either one of them Blood Mages is because I personally find the idea of cutting yourself, the idea of self mutilation to gain power, rather disgusting. I would have no problem using Blood Magic that involves other people's blood but my own character ones ? I will pass. 

[Cecilia]

Yeah the whole "Hawke hates Blood Magic now" is just stupid and ridiculous. Choices that matter. Yeah, right.

 

My Hawke was a Spirit Healer who friendmanced Merrill and did not mind her using Blood Magic at all. To him, it was a tool, nothing more. So the idea of Hawke being against Blood Magic was laughable. 

 

The same goes with my Warden. He was a Shapeshifter who romanced Morrigan and did not actually have any problem with forbidden magic or blood magic. 

 

The only reason why I did not make either one of them Blood Mages is because I personally find the idea of cutting yourself, the idea of self mutilation to gain power, rather disgusting. I would have no problem using Blood Magic that involves other people's blood but my own character ones ? I will pass. 

 

And thus a slave-sacrificing magister is born ...

[Bayonet Hipshot]

And thus a slave-sacrificing magister is born ...

 

I should have clarified. I have no issue using the blood of enemies that my character fights, nothing more. Plus, I prefer other schools of magic that are far more versatile such as Necromancy, Shapeshifting, Rift Mage and Spirit Healing. 

 

I would be more open to making my characters a blood mage if Blood Magic was like Blood Bending. No blood used but you can muck up someone else' blood. 

[jedidotflow]

Blood Magic is kind of like the Dark Side of the Force. It is not inherently evil, but the fact that bad **** always goes down when it is involved is just a quirk of the setting.

 

"I have decided to use my powers for good and open up a soup kitchen!"

 

"Wow, that's a really cool thing to-"

 

"A soup kitchen powered by the dark side of the force!!!"

 

"....Shut it down."

 

Ummm... The Star Wars universe is manichean. There is a clear divide between Good and Evil and the Dark Side of the Force is clearly inherently evil. I don't like this simplistic worldview, but that's how the universe from a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away works.

[Ryriena]

I hate that Hawke hates blood magic, which made no sense to a hawke that was in a friendship realationship with Merill or even Anders for that matter who can be a blood mage in DA:A. I also had a big, what the **** type of moment when Anders became all of a sudden against Blood Magic in DA2.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I hate that Hawke hates blood magic, which made no sense to a hawke that was in a friendship realationship with Merill or even Anders for that matter who can be a blood mage in DA:A. I also had a big, what the **** type of moment when Anders became all of a sudden against Blood Magic in DA2.

 

The Power of The Retcon. 

[Riot Inducer]

Ummm... The Star Wars universe is manichean. There is a clear divide between Good and Evil and the Dark Side of the Force is clearly inherently evil. I don't like this simplistic worldview, but that's how the universe from a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away works.

Not to derail the thread overmuch but while that might be true of what's depicted in the movies the official expanded universe content paints a much different picture. Suffice to say that the Jedi are not inherently "good" and the Sith are not inherently "evil" the philosophical underpinnings of either order are much more nuanced than it first appears. 

 

Interestingly enough, at least my understanding of the Jedi order at its core is similar to the Circle of Magi. I.e. the Jedi are an order that believe those gifted with the force need to be conditioned and controlled so that their powers aren't a danger to others. And with that comes intense emotional repression, severing familiar contact, forbidding romantic interaction etc, so it only natural that some feel it wrong to force such things on people so you get the Sith. 

[Il Divo]

 

 

Interestingly enough, at least my understanding of the Jedi order at its core is similar to the Circle of Magi. I.e. the Jedi are an order that believe those gifted with the force need to be conditioned and controlled so that their powers aren't a danger to others. And with that comes intense emotional repression, severing familiar contact, forbidding romantic interaction etc, so it only natural that some feel it wrong to force such things on people so you get the Sith. 

 

I'm not sure that really holds though. Take for example the Jedi refusing to train anyone other than small children (in most cases). It's not like they take all force sensitives too old to be trained and confine them to small towers. The Jedi do have certain fears in regard to the dangers of the Dark Side, but I think the Circle of Magi comparison is a bit of a stretch. 

[Farangbaa]

I'm glad they took out blood magic as an option. It never made sense, and especially in DA:O it was weird as hell:

"OMG A BLOOD MAGE"- said the squad of the player character and Morrigan, both blood mages. Yes, I know, gameplay/story seggregation, blabla. It was ridiculous.

[DarthLaxian]

http://youtu.be/4K2tO2Jd6a4?t=9m42s

 

Apparently you could have talked with Hawke about why he hates blood magic and he gives his reasons why. Also, Hawke could have given a summary about what happened in Kirkwall. Cut content?

 

That's really stupid - my Hawke is a bloodmage for fucks sake (so to me that is a retcon!)

 

greetings LAX

ps: No, BM was not ridiculous - Grey Warden, remember: They are alowed BM because they sacrifice so much to stop blights and no one dares to question them and their methods (that's why DA:I is a little surprising as it tramples all over the GW and kind of character assassinates them!)

[Ophir147]

Being a Blood Mage at one point does not mean that you have to practice Blood Magic.

 

One can be a blood mage and stop using Blood Magic any time they want.

 

If someone used a chainsaw to kill your mother and destroy your home, you could be forgiven if you don't want to see a chainsaw ever again. Even if you used to be a lumberjack.

[Ryriena]

The Power of The Retcon.

This lol

[Dieb]

That's not a retcon, but a poor game design decision. Anders never once spoke out for blood magic in DA:A, unlike Morrigan, who admittedly once states how BM is just "another kind of magic". And I think we can all agree that Merrill should never, ever be used as an example in favor of BM. She's rather the prime example why its easy-instant-power breaks naive or weak minded people.

 

I had a two handed build for Alistair & Cassandra, and gave the Bull a shield. Some give Cole a bow, despite him speaking about his "kife" all the time, and I once ran Sera as a dagger rogue.

 

That's about the same thing as far as I'm concerned.

[In Exile]

That's not a question of morality. Idiots going for the Darwin Award don't make guns any better or worse. They affect the validity of legislation. In analogy to firearm laws in some countries, that would mean that you'd need a license to practice blood magic (using only yourself or willing participants as a source). I'm not sure how feasible that is, but I'd find it acceptable as long as the authority issuing the license isn't the Chantry.

(Again, I'm finding just how much of my dislike of the pre-Inquisition status quo has to do with the fact that I deny the Chantry legitimacy for regulating magic, rather than the desire to leave magic unregulated).

That's absolutely a moral question. The dissemination of dangerous technology that could cause great harm if not used properly is a moral question. Consider something like, say, asbestos.

It's a moral question for society, not just for the individual.

As to the Chantry's authority to regulate magic, well, that just gets into political theory questions about the legitimacy of authority. Putting aside how they regulate magic, I don't see why an institution like the Chantry has less legitimacy than a particularly powerful feudal lord.

[Ryriena]

That's not a retcon, but a poor game design decision. Anders never once spoke out for blood magic in DA:A, unlike Morrigan, who admittedly once states how BM is just "another kind of magic". And I think we can all agree that Merrill should never, ever be used as an example in favor of BM. She's rather the prime example why its easy-instant-power breaks naive or weak minded people.

 

I had a two handed build for Alistair & Cassandra, and gave the Bull a shield. Some give Cole a bow, despite him speaking about his "kife" all the time, and I once ran Sera as a dagger rogue.

 

That's about the same thing as far as I'm concerned.

 

He even metioned that he was a blood mage if you gave him the spec by saying "Well I am now, so thanks for that by the way." The blood magic spec is not game design nor gameplay to said character you have created. Anyway, I still stand by the fact my Hawke being against blood magic all of sudden that friendmanced Merill and gave her everything to cleanse the mirror and in favor of said device as a tool made no sense.

[LobselVith8]

That's not a retcon, but a poor game design decision. Anders never once spoke out for blood magic in DA:A, unlike Morrigan, who admittedly once states how BM is just "another kind of magic". And I think we can all agree that Merrill should never, ever be used as an example in favor of BM. She's rather the prime example why its easy-instant-power breaks naive or weak minded people.

Blood magic never "broke" Merrill. She used it for several years without succumbing to it, and she's now taking care of the homeless, disenfranchised elves who lost their homes after the Mage-Templar War.

Merrill is a prime example that blood magic can be used for benevolent purposes.