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[Linkenski]

No more context is needed. I don't know much about how it works, but it always seemed super unrealistic to me.

[JasonShepard]

No more context is needed. I don't know much about how it works, but it always seemed super unrealistic to me.

 

Shepard has cybernetic implants and, judging by the Consensus mission and ME2 Overlord, said implants do appear to be connected to the Commander's brain. (This would also explain how Shepard is able to activate various abilities without seeming to do anything - see Tactical Cloak or Adrenaline rush. Biotic implants are definitely hooked up to the brain.)

 

So - well, all the Geth would need to do is hack the part of the brain that interprets Shepard's senses. Theoretically possible, even if modern day neuroscience is nowhere near it. Notably Shepard's eyes are seemingly synthetic, so hacking vision seems very possible.

 

The idea of the Consensus mission has never bothered me - except for the slightly silly justification for why Shepard is even needed for the virtual hacking in the first place. Being an organic who's interfacing with the Geth really shouldn't be an advantage. It's like someone with a translator being better at persuading somebody than a person who speaks the appropriate language...

[Sir Froggie]

Kinda? The idea a human beings downloading their minds into a virtual reality isn't really that uncommon in science fiction (The Matrix, Lawnmower Man) and isn't really to out place in the Mass Effect universe. However, in the Overlord dlc in ME 2 it took an autistic kid with a special understanding of the geth language to be able to interact with the consensus. The idea that the geth somehow took the plans for the same machine and configured it to work on a normal human is a bit of a stretch.

[Asharad Hett]

No

[Vazgen]

I always viewed it as a sort of a virtual reality simulator. That Shepard gets into some kind of bridging interface between organic mind and geth consensus and his actions there affect consensus, just as consensus itself affects the simulator. Legion/Geth VI takes care of the connection. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

No. I don't think so. We might have that kind of technology in about 30 years.

[Iakus]

AS stated, Shepard would pretty much have to have some sort of cybernetics in his/her brain to activate some abilities.  And that would include biotics.  It's not inconceivable that the geth could find a way to interface with them to draw Shepard into the consensus.

 

That being said, we also know that what Shepard experienced was only a representation.  It is entirely possible that what Shepard saw, heard, and experienced were not accurate representations.  That he/she was, in fact being manipulated by Legion.

[Daemul]

There's an entire species in the MEU who did the exact same thing en masse

[Jukaga]

No the idea was sound but the execution was awful.

[Memnon]

No the idea was sound but the execution was awful.

 

Agree with this

[katamuro]

Not exactly, it just let shepard walk around the geth server VR style. Thats about it.

[fhs33721]

Yes. The entire trilogy is mostly space magic. Ranging from space magic explained by pseudo-scientific technobabble to vague unexplained space magic of the Lazarus or Synthesis variety. Just don't think to hard about any of it and go with the flow.

[Killdren88]

No. Think of the Matrix. Super Advance Virtual reality..

[KaiserShep]

Shepard's implants have nothing to do with it, because it's never once mentioned as being accountable for any special abilities or anything of the sort (the same goes for Synthesis). It leaves room for fan theories, but that's about it. Besides, what's the difference between that booth, and this?

 

[Iakus]

Shepard's implants have nothing to do with it, because it's never once mentioned as being accountable for any special abilities or anything of the sort (the same goes for Synthesis). It leaves room for fan theories, but that's about it. Besides, what's the difference between that booth, and this?

 

 

It doesn't necessarilly have to do with Lazarus Project cybernetics.  But some in-game abilities pretty much have to be accomplished by cybernetics in order to make any sense.  And biotics canonically involve cybernetic implants anyway.  Like I said, it's not inconceivable that the geth found a way (through the Overlord interface) to integrate with those cybernetics to draw Shepard into the consensus.

[KaiserShep]

My take on it is this: if it's not mentioned or even implied, then it has zero narrative significance.

 

When you go to the Geth server hub to enter the Consensus, Legion's reasoning for Shepard going alone is not that Shepard is the only one capable, but rather that limited resources makes it inadvisable for more than one to enter. This says to me that anyone, like, say, Garrus or Liara, could just as well go inside, but just can't go in with you at the same time.

 

Biotics involves cybernetics, but in this respect Shepard is no more special than anyone else. Even the clone, who wouldn't require Lazarus implants being grown rather than reconstructed, has equal biotic ability. Of course I must remind myself that "making sense" is not the best way to approach all of this, but rather making sure that my brain isn't completely on.

[StarcloudSWG]

Humans *need* biotic amps to function as biotics at more than the 'knock over a cup of coffee' level.

 

Biotic amplifiers are implant-based. The actual amp is something that 'plugs in' to a cybernetic socket, and the control system is wired into the nervous system. Pay attention to the class descriptions in character creation in all the Mass Effect games, and you'll see that *every* class has cybernetic implants of some kind.

 

Cybernetic implants are so commonplace that no one needs to comment on them. About the only time there's talk of them being unusual is with the 'grey boxes' that Keiji and Kasumi have (which they shouldn't have because they're medically restricted just like real-world US FDA Schedule III drugs), and the mention of President Huerta being basically so brain damaged he needs a VI in his head reminding him of who he is and what he is supposed to remember.

[Memnon]

I think it goes back to suspension of disbelief, not necessarily what is or isn't "space magic." This sequence didn't make me to a double, triple, or quintuple-take quite like Synthesis did, I was fine with the concept ... the execution left something to be desired, though

[ZergRush]

I think it goes back to suspension of disbelief, not necessarily what is or isn't "space magic." This sequence didn't make me to a double, triple, or quintuple-take quite like Synthesis did, I was fine with the concept ... the execution left something to be desired, though

 

This. Golden rule when discussing space magic: Any advanced enough form of technology is no different from magic (yes, Synthesis IS possible, princesses!). The degree of the technological advancement will dictate the size of that leap of faith you got to do (aka suspension of disbelief).

 

 

 

In this case it doesn't seem too unreal. As sH0tgUn jUliA pointed, humanity may have means to achieve that within our lifetime. I liked the concept. Sounded supercool to me when Legion first suggested it. Felt rushed though, like a lot of stuff in ME3. It was good to know the thruth about quarians also.

[Iakus]

This. Golden rule when discussing space magic: Any advanced enough form of technology is no different from magic (yes, Synthesis IS possible, princesses!). The degree of the technological advancement will dictate the size of that leap of faith you got to do (aka suspension of disbelief).

 

 

 

In this case it doesn't seem too unreal. As sH0tgUn jUliA pointed, humanity may have means to achieve that within our lifetime. I liked the concept. Sounded supercool to me when Legion first suggested it. Felt rushed though, like a lot of stuff in ME3. It was good to know the thruth about quarians also.

When it comes to magic I prefer Sanderson's First Law over Clarke's:

 

An author’s ability to solve conflict with magic is directly proportional to how well the reader understands said magic

[Cheviot]

It's a longer, less garbled version of Shepard's interaction with the Beacon on Eden Prime, as if Shepard has the Cipher beforehand.

[Quarian Master Race]

The entire concept of geth as a life form is "unrealistic space magic". Software programs spontaneously developing emotions and sentience is probably the most space magic thing in the entire universe, other than the properties of element zero, obviously.

How you could accept the premise of the geth as life forms all the way into ME3, only to be stopped by the realistic viability of their propaganda film is beyond me. Virtual reality interfaces that manipulate signals sent to the human brain are much easier to rationalize scientifically than murderous communistical pinnochio programs.

 

[Alamar2078]

My lore is super rusty but IIRC in ME2 there was a DLC where someone basically pulled Shep into a VI world.  So while you may consider what happened in ME3 space magic at least it was set up in ME2.  Depending on the level of synthetics that Shep has I can more easily swallow remote hacking of his implants than I could Synthesis for example.

 

Heck engineers remote hack synthetics all the time ... if you're OK with that then it's not a huge leap what happened in ME3 or ME2.

[shodiswe]

Shepard has cybernetic implants and, judging by the Consensus mission and ME2 Overlord, said implants do appear to be connected to the Commander's brain. (This would also explain how Shepard is able to activate various abilities without seeming to do anything - see Tactical Cloak or Adrenaline rush. Biotic implants are definitely hooked up to the brain.)
 
So - well, all the Geth would need to do is hack the part of the brain that interprets Shepard's senses. Theoretically possible, even if modern day neuroscience is nowhere near it. Notably Shepard's eyes are seemingly synthetic, so hacking vision seems very possible.
 
The idea of the Consensus mission has never bothered me - except for the slightly silly justification for why Shepard is even needed for the virtual hacking in the first place. Being an organic who's interfacing with the Geth really shouldn't be an advantage. It's like someone with a translator being better at persuading somebody than a person who speaks the appropriate language...

I think the advantage was that Shepards very "alien" code made him harder for the Reapers to hack or harm in there. They simply wern't prepared.
Legion or the other Geth would have had a harder time, but Shepard was too alien to be affected by the infection.
The human brain isn't that different, it's just electrical impulces and chemical reactions.
No immortal soul or anything.

[KaiserShep]

You'd think the Geth would have learned a thing or two about the inner workings of an organic mind if they snatched up technology from Project Overlord.