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[I present Chuck Bass]

Does anyone else think his character is rather dull and cliche, and at times seems rather forced?

Or am I the only one who thinks he is one of the series worst characters?

[Allan Schumacher]

I just want better characters, Krem felt to me at times as being defined by being transgender, which just takes away from him as a character. He shouldn't be known as the first transgender character in the game, he should be known as Krem, a member of the charging bulls.. The fact that he's transgender shouldn't make him stick out, he should stick out for being an awesome character.

 

I think this plays more on the audience and the discussion around Krem because Krem IS transgender and that is something uncommon in games (and media).  If Krem is defined as being transgender within the context of the game, then that means that if we were to remove the part of Krem/Bull's story where we learn that Krem is transgender the character now has no role.  But Krem does have a role and I think if that conversation didn't exist Krem would still be what he is: Iron Bull's Lieutenant who serves as a vehicle to learn more about Bull and the Chargers, with the possibility of the player finding the Chargers interesting so as to present a potentially difficult choice at the end of The Iron Bull's arc.

 

I think all these aspects are still delivered even if you were to remove the discussion about Krem being transgender.  You can (like me) not even realize that Krem is transgender until that conversation happens even. I don't think that Krem's presence in the game mandates a need for Krem to be transgender.

[Allan Schumacher]

But I'm also aware many people define who Krem is by his gender identity. Which is the result of all his character development being centered around him being transgender( I don't see It this way! but have seen many put it this way)... I simply see him as a dull dude with a cliche story lingering in the background.

 

For sure, but discussions about Juhani involved her being a lesbian, which was new(er) and more novel.  Jaheira, Viconia, Aerie, and Anomen were discussed for being a romance option (even today "romance option" is a trait that the audience will still enthusiastically discuss about any character).

 

I don't think it defined Juhani's character, even if fans of the game wanted to discuss that aspect. I think the novelty plays a non-trivial role and I think we would handcuff ourselves if we ended up worrying about whether or not the audience will discuss this when we are adding a creating a character, especially for things that are much less frequently occurring.  Take a reality where trans characters are much more common and accepted in society and media, and I doubt people talk about Krem based on his gender identity. But since that isn't our reality isn't that, it becomes an "oh hey" moment that stands out.

 

Am I unreasonable in assuming that any trans characters in other games will probably have similar discussions in the short term?

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 04 février 2015 - 04:59 .
Due to some edits the "her" I left in was ambiguous. Changed.

[Allan Schumacher]

Nope, not unreasonable at all... You have mad me see the light that is Krem.I was wrong.. As hard as that is to admit.

Still the dialogue was clunky at times, that much is still true.

 

I think that critique towards Krem's character is valid. It's how you look at it, and for any character you dislike others will like, etc. etc.

 

Cheers

[Allan Schumacher]

I still missed what Dorian and Aveline had to do with Krem in the first place.

 

Brought up more as an example that heterosexual relationships typically aren't seen with the same scrutiny due to being more prevalent and familiar.

 

I do think Aveline's plot arc would have been received differently had Donnic been a woman (or Aveline a man), based purely on the same sex relationship aspect. It might be an "agree to disagree" part since I think that if only that was changed, people (maybe not you) would still frame the encounter as being "forced" as a result of it being a gay relationship.

[Allan Schumacher]

Anyway, that's not what I think. I simply think that a lot of Krem's attention is due to Krem being trans, because there just doesn't seem to be that much there to explain the complete devotion people have to this character, especially on Tumblr. I mean, it's not like that's wrong. It's not at all important to me so the character doesn't interest me enough with the stories about Bull and stuff to give them much attention. At best I see Krem as a neat way to give bull some more background, because Krem is a minor character.

 

This goes back to representation and why I feel it is important. If trans character's are more frequent in media I agree that Krem being trans likely isn't as much of a thing.  I see it as symptomatic of larger issues in our culture.

 

That said, I never understood why people loved Cullen so much from DAO based on the amount of content he had, but he had his (huge!) following. There are some that love Wade and Herren as well that make me go "Huh, I wasn't expecting that."  Same with Sandal and so forth.  It's fine if Krem doesn't interest you as a character, but I think it's still important to not be entirely dismissive that Krem is only liked because he is a trans character.