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[Colonelkillabee]

If a woman is only ever seen hooking up with men and never entertains the idea of hooking up with another woman (another subject of banter between Isabela and Aveline), I think one can safely say she's straight.

 

My entire point before this was that she likes to f**k and f**ks quite a lot, but whatever.

How do you know she never entertains the thought? I didn't go through all her dialogue but I'm pretty sure she never clarifies.

 

Even with the point of Dorian never saying "only men", the difference is Aveline's mission is about liking A man, and Dorian's is about men in general. That was what we were talking about. Her missions are about her singular relationship. Dorian's, in his mind, was about his father not being able to accept him for his sexuality because it was inconvenient to his plans. There is a difference.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Which is why I didn't want to go that direction, to be honest. And, also why I should probably just hang out in the dwarf support thread more and avoid other topics.

Dave now you see why I need that scout Harding romance.. we all just need that dwarf love.

[Master Warder Z_]

o.o I think this thread needs to relax and go enjoy some Cassadra.

[daveliam]

How do you know she never entertains the thought? I didn't go through all her dialogue but I'm pretty sure she never clarifies.

 

Even with the point of Dorian never saying "only men", the difference is Aveline's mission is about liking A man, and Dorian's is about men in general. That was what we were talking about. Her missions are about her singular relationship. Dorian's, in his mind, was about his father not being able to accept him for his sexuality because it was inconvenient to his plans. There is a difference.

 

Of course there is a difference.  But they both are influenced by the sexuality of the character.  But, because one is a heterosexual romance, it's not viewed as relating to her sexuality.

 

It's the old double standard:  A straight guy mentions his wife, no one thinks twice.  A gay guy mentions his husband, he's promoting his sexuality. 

 

There's nothing wrong with Aveline's sexuality playing a role in her quest, but it's silly to even entertain an argument that a quest where you set up a widow with a new husband isn't influenced by her sexuality.

[Colonelkillabee]

o.o I think this thread needs to relax and go enjoy some Cassadra.

Lol there's only one side getting worked up at the moment. I'm as chill as a frosted troll's hind quarters.

[daveliam]

Dave now you see why I need that scout Harding romance.. we all just need that dwarf love.

 

Not going to lie, if she were a romance option, my lady dwarf would have been all over her.  Boring or not, she's better than the other f/f options. 

[Colonelkillabee]

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No one said she wasn't "influenced" by it, but that her mission wasn't "about" her sexuality. Many many things are influenced by our sexuality.

[daveliam]

No one said she wasn't "influenced" by it, but that her mission wasn't "about" her sexuality. Many many things are influenced by our sexuality.

 

Dorian's isn't "about" his sexuality either.  It's about the fact that his father betrayed his values on blood magic (and all he stood for) and tried to use it on Dorian because he wouldn't maintain a loveless marriage in order to produce an heir.  His sexuality influenced it, but if he were straight and didn't want to marry into a loveless marriage, the story would have played out the same way. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Lol there's only one side getting worked up at the moment. I'm as chill as a frosted troll's hind quarters.

o.o I'm tempted to make a joke.

[Colonelkillabee]

o.o I'm tempted to make a joke.

Knock yourself out and join the club.

[Br3admax]

Sad as it may be, you'll have to come to terms with things that are unorthodox being just a little bit more involved than the average and the boring. As much as we want things to be "normal" if it goes against the norm, it is by definition not. Keeping in mind being not normal does not mean wrong. Thus, when something is not "normal" people speak out on it more. This is life, and it will probably never change, And from someone who stands out in a crowd where I currently am, I can testify to that. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Knock yourself out and join the club.

In imperialistic skyrim frost's troll ass chill you!

[Colonelkillabee]

Dorian's isn't "about" his sexuality either.  It's about the fact that his father betrayed his values on blood magic (and all he stood for) and tried to use it on Dorian because he wouldn't maintain a loveless marriage in order to produce an heir.  His sexuality influenced it, but if he were straight and didn't want to marry into a loveless marriage, the story would have played out the same way. 

The whole reason blood magic was brought up was because his father specifically wanted to change his sexuality. Sure, if he was hetero, he could have tried blood magicking him into loving her instead. But that's the same as saying dodgeball wasn't about dodgeballs because it could have been about dodging shuriken instead.

 

It could have, but it wasn't.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Sad as it may be, you'll have to come to terms with things that are unorthodox being just a little bit more involved than the average and the boring. As much as we want things to be "normal" if it goes against the norm, it is by definition not. Keeping in mind being not normal does not mean wrong. Thus, when something is not "normal" people speak out on it more. This is life, and it will probably never change, And from someone who stands out in a crowd where I currently am, I can testify to that.

Rye bread doesnt fit in anywhere. The deli section? Not really because it doesn't go well with most meats. Bakery? No because it's one of those breads that don't taste good by itself, not bakery worthy. Breakfast section? Nope, no one is waking up in the morning and eating that first thing.

I'm sorry Ryebread:(.

[SlottsMachine]

 

Anyway, the thing that I like best is the thread titles that have spawned because of Krem.

 

Krispy Krem 

Smooth Kreminals

 

I await the next thread. 

[o Ventus]

How do you know she never entertains the thought? I didn't go through all her dialogue but I'm pretty sure she never clarifies.

 

Even with the point of Dorian never saying "only men", the difference is Aveline's mission is about liking A man, and Dorian's is about men in general. That was what we were talking about. Her missions are about her singular relationship. Dorian's, in his mind, was about his father not being able to accept him for his sexuality because it was inconvenient to his plans. There is a difference.

From a banter:

 

Aveline: [...] Great. I had forgotten what it was like to--

 

Isabela: To be flipped ass-over-****** and be hammered like a bent nail?

 

Aveline: ... To be loved. Not that I'm complaining about the other thing.

 

I get that Isabela's words aren't literal, but I can't think of many lesbians I know who have sex even figuratively like that.

 

And again, she never makes ANY mention of being a lesbian or bisexual, she only ever talks about her marriages to Wesley and Donnic. When she's not only shown as straight, but shown CONSISTENTLY and ONLY EVER straight, I think you can say she's straight and not get flak for intolerance.

[daveliam]

The whole reason blood magic was brought up was because his father specifically wanted to change his sexuality. Sure, if he was hetero, he could have tried blood magicking him into loving her instead. But that's the same as saying dodgeball wasn't about dodgeballs because it could have been about dodging shuriken instead.

 

It could have, but it wasn't.

 

His quest was no more "about" his sexuality than Aveline's was.  In both cases, the character's sexuality influenced the story, but the actual content of the quest was not about their sexuality.  The fact that you can't see this is crazy to me.  It's not a perfect parallel, but it's there.  Is Josephine's "duel" quest about her sexuality?  Because if she weren't bisexual (and were lesbian), that quest wouldn't be able to happen as it did, either. 

[Colonelkillabee]

You both need to just re read my posts because I'm going to say the same thing again, and you're going to keep bringing up the same irrelevant points.

 

No one talks about Aveline's sexuality because it isn't specifically talked about, not just because it's normal. Dorian's is brought up because it is specifically mentioned that his father wanted to change it.

 

The end. And that's all I'm saying on it. Feel free to howl at the moon now, lol.

[raging_monkey]

Lol there's only one side getting worked up at the moment. I'm as chill as a frosted troll's hind quarters.

so your blue down there haha

[o Ventus]

You both need to just re read my posts because I'm going to say the same thing again, and you're going to keep bringing up the same irrelevant points.

 

No one talks about Aveline's sexuality because it isn't specifically talked about, not just because it's normal. Dorian's is brought up because it is specifically mentioned that his father wanted to change it.

 

The end. And that's all I'm saying on it. Feel free to howl at the moon now, lol.

I literally JUST posted a banter between Isabela and Aveline that mentions this very thing.

 

If that isn't a comment on her sexuality, then you're either an idiot or trolling by being willfully ignorant.

[Master Warder Z_]

Maybe we should chant the age of oppression or something.

That's a unifier if I ever heard one.

[Br3admax]

Rye bread doesnt fit in anywhere. The deli section? Not really because it doesn't go well with most meats. Bakery? No because it's one of those breads that don't taste good by itself, not bakery worthy. Breakfast section? Nope, no one is waking up in the morning and eating that first thing.

I'm sorry Ryebread:(.

You don't understand the irony of the name, homie.

 

His quest was no more "about" his sexuality than Aveline's was.  In both cases, the character's sexuality influenced the story, but the actual content of the quest was not about their sexuality.  The fact that you can't see this is crazy to me.  It's not a perfect parallel, but it's there.  Is Josephine's "duel" quest about her sexuality?  Because if she weren't bisexual (and were lesbian), that quest wouldn't be able to happen as it did, either. 

Dorian's sexuality influenced his story more than Aveline's influenced hers. She felt attraction for Donnic, Donnic felt attraction towards her. They bang. The end. Dorian's sexuality is the cause of a falling out and him becoming an outcast. They are not comparable. The fact that it causes his father to go against his own word in something he's never done before, as far as we know, makes it even more jarring. Why? Because Dorian following his sexuality is a much bigger deal than Aveline following hers? Is it because Dorian is gay? No. It's because Dorian is refusing his social obligations, but in the end, it's still all about his sexuality causing all of these events to happen. Aveline just wants to get smashed for the first time in +7 years and she likes Donnic. 

[BioWareMod02]

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