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So...if a gay character so much as mentions that they're gay it's "bringing it up", but if a straight character mentions that they're straight it isn't? The entire inability of some people to put themselves in others' shoes is mindblowing.For my own mental health, I'm bowing out.
Booooooorrrrrrriiiiiiiiinngggggggg
Where is my option for Krem to face Imperial justice?
Probably in the same place my option to burn that entire slave-fueled nation to the ground is. Let me know when you find it, I'd really like to get on that. 
So...if a gay character so much as mentions that they're gay it's "bringing it up", but if a straight character mentions that they're straight it isn't? The entire inability of some people to put themselves in others' shoes is mindblowing.
For my own mental health, I'm bowing out.
Where we're having a disagreement is the "mentioning" part. Aveline doesn't ever say she likes men or doesn't like women, or this or that. She says that she likes A man. Never says if she also likes women. Dorian however makes it very clear he only prefers men, and that this was something his father thought he could change. Aveline's sexuality is not brought up. Her affection for one person is.
Sorry you feel the need to bow out, or that differing opinions is somehow detrimental to your mental health, but putting myself in someone else's shoes won't change anything beyond giving me irrelevant biases. Being straight myself has nothing to do with my opinion if you look at what I am saying.
Probably in the same place my option to burn that entire slave-fueled nation to the ground is. Let me know when you find it, I'd really like to get on that.
I agree the Qunari must burn. Soon, soon very soon.
I agree the Qunari must burn. Soon, soon very soon.
Oh no, I meant Tevinter. Sorry for the confusion.
Oh no, I meant Tevinter. Sorry for the confusion.
I still missed what Dorian and Aveline had to do with Krem in the first place.
Huh? Why not? Aveline's sexuality was part of her story-arc. Her entire side quests are about setting her up in a heterosexual marriage, after she gets over losing her husband from her first heterosexual marriage. How is that any different than Dorian's sexuality playing a role in his quest?
Simple. Because, unlike Dorian, Aveline's sidequest revolves around so much more than that.
A.) From the Fade Quest, it's clear she's not as over Wesley as she states.
B.) Donnec's heterosexuality was unimportant to the narrative, as if Aveline fell for Brennan, the story arc wouldn't have changed at all. By contrast, Dorian's role was specifically about his sexuality.
C.) Donnec is also her subordinate, which opens up a number of concerns.
D.) In Act 3, her sidequest has nothing to do with her sexuality.
I still missed what Dorian and Aveline had to do with Krem in the first place.
Because he wants to be able to ignore someone's queerness and Dorian and Krem don't give him that luxury.
A.) Krem's sexual preferences never come up.
B.) I can ignore Krem
lol, what does that even mean, anyway? Krem's not real. Like close your eyes and walk away from the screen. Unplug your console or computer. Problem gone. Hell, you can even refuse both of those people to join the Inquisiton and Krem can out right be murderlered by Venetori.
I still missed what Dorian and Aveline had to do with Krem in the first place.
Someone randomly brought it up
S/he's not of much interest to me, except for their thoughts on blood magic in regards to their, in my opinion, over-emphasized state of being.
The inquisitor can ask if Krem would allow blood magic on themselves in order to make their change official and physical. Krem responds with, in short, 'HAAAIL TO THE NAWS BRUH' 'No.'. I
Then again, blood magic just interests me in general, so...yeah.
Krem gives me war table stuff, and that's cool.
Someone randomly brought it up
Ah, well. Lol.
Anyway, I fixed my slip up earlier and replaced "she" with "Krem", just for the record.
lol, what does that even mean, anyway? Krem's not real. Like close your eyes and walk away from the screen. Unplug your console or computer. Problem gone. Hell, you can even refuse both of those people to join the Inquisiton and Krem can out right be murderlered by Venetori.
If I close my eyes will you not be real?
If I close my eyes will you not be real?
Lol this was besides the point, but it was funny.
So if a character is gay or transgender, their story is about them being gay or transgender, which is conspicuous and totally not cool. But, if a character is straight, their story is just normal, so therefore it's cool. I'm learning so much from BSN.
If I close my eyes will you not be real?
How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?
"If Everybody In The World Dropped Out Of School We Would Have A Much More Intelligent Society."
If I close my eyes will you not be real?
Nope, not unreasonable at all... You have mad me see the light that is Krem.I was wrong.. As hard as that is to admit.
Still the dialogue was clunky at times, that much is still true.
I think that critique towards Krem's character is valid. It's how you look at it, and for any character you dislike others will like, etc. etc.
Cheers 
I think that critique towards Krem's character is valid. It's how you look at it, and for any character you dislike others will like, etc. etc.
Cheers
I'm rather fond of your interpretation, though. As a writer myself, I agree that the best way to look at a character is to take the part out and see how what needs to be changed without it.
I still missed what Dorian and Aveline had to do with Krem in the first place.
Brought up more as an example that heterosexual relationships typically aren't seen with the same scrutiny due to being more prevalent and familiar.
I do think Aveline's plot arc would have been received differently had Donnic been a woman (or Aveline a man), based purely on the same sex relationship aspect. It might be an "agree to disagree" part since I think that if only that was changed, people (maybe not you) would still frame the encounter as being "forced" as a result of it being a gay relationship.
Not by me. I hate all versions of her personal quest. If she wants to play the shy teenage girl, she can do that on her own time. Not mine.
Dorian's quest is kind of eh, and it's only five minutes long, so it's even more so.
So if a character is gay or transgender, their story is about them being gay or transgender, which is conspicuous and totally not cool. But, if a character is straight, their story is just normal, so therefore it's cool. I'm learning so much from BSN.
I think I'll take this opportunity to explain how my stance differs from others so people don't group me.
I don't think Krem the character was made to be a trans character, even if it was something the devs did want to try. I don't think Krem's story was about being trans. If that one scene never came up with Krem explaining it with bull to me, and the dialogue about it afterwards wasn't an option to pick, I'd have never have known about it. I honestly thought Krem's voice was some kind of glitch or a mistake, I dunno. I was laughing at first because I thought the voice actress was just poorly picked. Good times.
Anyway, that's not what I think. I simply think that a lot of Krem's attention is due to Krem being trans, because there just doesn't seem to be that much there to explain the complete devotion people have to this character, especially on Tumblr. I mean, it's not like that's wrong. It's not at all important to me so the character doesn't interest me enough with the stories about Bull and stuff to give them much attention. At best I see Krem as a neat way to give bull some more background, because Krem is a minor character.
So if a character is gay or transgender, their story is about them being gay or transgender, which is conspicuous and totally not cool. But, if a character is straight, their story is just normal, so therefore it's cool. I'm learning so much from BSN.
Straighty will be alright, straighty is gonna make it. Bioware's agenda won't hurt much just relax your throat muscles.
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